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LMUfan

Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 6,638
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This is just another example of how the United States is moving away from a Republic and toward an Oligarchy.

Yesterday Mr. Obama signed into law H.R. 347 that makes it a felony to protest whenever Secret Service agents are present.  This means that there will be no protests, not heckling, no individual negative comments when the president, vice president, first lady are around.  They will only see positive "yes men" going forward or those uttering negative thoughts will be hauled away and jailed. 

It gets worse.  The law doesn't say that any of the above dignitaries need be present for the felony to occur, only Secret Service agents (our should we call them the SS?) need be present.  If you say negative things toward the president while the agent is getting off the subway on the way to work you could be cuffed and sent to prison.

This will be a temptation that no president will be able to resist.  If they think a protest will be occur then simply send some SS agents to the scene.  Then instruct the police to arrest the protesters for a felony.  No more will protesters be booked and released, they'll be booked and sent to prison.

But, let's look on the bright side.  Had this law been in effect in the 60s then Dr. Martin Luther King might be alive today as he would have been cooling his heels in prison instead of making his "Dream" speech.

In the 90s we had our freedoms clipped by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, last decade we had our freedoms clipped by the Patriot Act, and now we have our speech clipped by this terrible act.

It seems no president is immune to wanting to control the masses.  We're moving toward an Oligarchy at an ever increasing pace.

Shame on you Mr. Obama, many thought you were different.

God help me if an SS agent is reading this post I may be hauled away and
Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 11,763
Reply with quote  #2 

I don't know enough about the bill to understand it's complete intent but I do know a little about fairness.  It may have been more fair to include in the above post that the GOP controlled House voted 388-3 in favor of this new law.

LMUfan

Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 6,638
Reply with quote  #3 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

I don't know enough about the bill to understand it's complete intent but I do know a little about fairness.  It may have been more fair to include in the above post that the GOP controlled House voted 388-3 in favor of this new law.



Dewey,

You and I think differently.  You have a political agenda and continuously have a desire to make a particular party look bad.

I have a personal agenda and care about my freedoms regardless of party.

This should have been vetoed by the president.  Those in congress and the Senate that voted for it were wrong.  It is a bad law.

Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 11,763
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LMUfan
Dewey,

You and I think differently.  You have a political agenda and continuously have a desire to make a particular party look bad.

I have a personal agenda and care about my freedoms regardless of party.

This should have been vetoed by the president.  Those in congress and the Senate that voted for it were wrong.  It is a bad law.

LMUfan - There, you said it.  By the way, I have done my best not to make Conservatives "look bad", contrary to many of my opponents on this website, but have tried to make them be forthright in what they believe and how they intend to accomplish it.  I haven't had much success but if you have some quotes where I have tried to mock or denigrate the GOP, please point them out.  You tend to apply characteristics to me with never an example presented.  I think that is unfair.  As you well know, you had a great deal to do with the beginning of the political agendas around here.

LMUfan

Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 6,638
Reply with quote  #5 
Dewey,

Here's another area where we think differently.  I often told my kids, "Life isn't fair.  Get used to it.  The sooner you learn this simple lesson the happier your life will be."



Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 11,763
Reply with quote  #6 
LMUfan - That's what I have been telling the posters who cry about the media around here daily.  Good advice and we do think the same on this point.  By the way, three grandkids in softball, one in baseball, and one learning to walk.  My life couldn't be any happier.  That aside, I still think it's appropriate to substantiate any criticism. 
DietCoke

Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 544
Reply with quote  #7 
Even the ACLU isn't too worked up about this new law.  And if anyone would be, it would be them.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/how-big-deal-hr-347-criminalizing-protest-bill

BillSmith

Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 4,892
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Your lightly veiled reference to the Shutzstaffel is unnecessarily inflammatory. The point you intend to drive is derailed by such.


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LMUfan

Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 6,638
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Dewey,
Glad we think the same on happiness.  After all, that's what it's all about.

Bill,
I gotta ask, what's a Shutzstaffel?



BillSmith

Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 4,892
Reply with quote  #10 

Apparently, I can't spell. And I know I have some Germanic blood. Sheesh.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel


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xballer10

Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 7
Reply with quote  #11 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

I don't know enough about the bill to understand it's complete intent but I do know a little about fairness.  It may have been more fair to include in the above post that the GOP controlled House voted 388-3 in favor of this new law.



In the interest of fairness let the record reflect the three no votes were Republicans
Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 11,763
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xballer10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

I don't know enough about the bill to understand it's complete intent but I do know a little about fairness.  It may have been more fair to include in the above post that the GOP controlled House voted 388-3 in favor of this new law.



In the interest of fairness let the record reflect the three no votes were Republicans


Sorry, but you are wrong.  Democrat Keith Ellison.  But welcome to the forum.
TheHammer

Registered: 08/09/04
Posts: 10,803
Reply with quote  #13 
Dewey & LMUfan, why don't you two run for a political office.
one as a Democrat, and one as a republican.
you both will have my vote.
xballer10

Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 7
Reply with quote  #14 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey
Quote:
Originally Posted by xballer10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

I don't know enough about the bill to understand it's complete intent but I do know a little about fairness.  It may have been more fair to include in the above post that the GOP controlled House voted 388-3 in favor of this new law.



In the interest of fairness let the record reflect the three no votes were Republicans


Sorry, but you are wrong.  Democrat Keith Ellison.  But welcome to the forum.


Sure looks to me like it was three R's.  See here.
 
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 149
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 347      2/3 YEA-AND-NAY      28-Feb-2011      7:03 PM
      QUESTION:  On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass, as Amended
      BILL TITLE: Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act


YeasNaysPRESNV
Republican2233 14
Democratic176  16
Independent    
TOTALS3993 30

Thanks for the welcome, although I much prefer being right than wrong.  Regardless, to say the least, the vote was pretty one sided..........In the Senate as well I may add.
PatGillickProtege

Registered: 07/20/06
Posts: 4,364
Reply with quote  #15 

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMUfan
This is just another example of how the United States is moving away from a Republic and toward an Oligarchy.

Yesterday Mr. Obama signed into law H.R. 347 that makes it a felony to protest whenever Secret Service agents are present.  This means that there will be no protests, not heckling, no individual negative comments when the president, vice president, first lady are around.  They will only see positive "yes men" going forward or those uttering negative thoughts will be hauled away and jailed. 

It gets worse.  The law doesn't say that any of the above dignitaries need be present for the felony to occur, only Secret Service agents (our should we call them the SS?) need be present.  If you say negative things toward the president while the agent is getting off the subway on the way to work you could be cuffed and sent to prison.

This will be a temptation that no president will be able to resist.  If they think a protest will be occur then simply send some SS agents to the scene.  Then instruct the police to arrest the protesters for a felony.  No more will protesters be booked and released, they'll be booked and sent to prison.

But, let's look on the bright side.  Had this law been in effect in the 60s then Dr. Martin Luther King might be alive today as he would have been cooling his heels in prison instead of making his "Dream" speech.

In the 90s we had our freedoms clipped by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, last decade we had our freedoms clipped by the Patriot Act, and now we have our speech clipped by this terrible act.

It seems no president is immune to wanting to control the masses.  We're moving toward an Oligarchy at an ever increasing pace.

Shame on you Mr. Obama, many thought you were different.

God help me if an SS agent is reading this post I may be hauled away and

 That's a bull$hit law.


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BillSmith

Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 4,892
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H. R. 347

One Hundred Twelfth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and twelve

An Act

To correct and simplify the drafting of section 1752 (relating to restricted buildings

or grounds) of title 18, United States Code.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of

the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Federal Restricted Buildings

and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011’’.

SEC. 2. RESTRICTED BUILDING OR GROUNDS.

Section 1752 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to

read as follows:

‘‘§ 1752. Restricted building or grounds

‘‘(a) Whoever—

‘‘(1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building

or grounds without lawful authority to do so;

‘‘(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the

orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such

proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so

that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly

conduct of Government business or official functions;

‘‘(3) knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt

the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,

obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted

building or grounds; or

‘‘(4) knowingly engages in any act of physical violence

against any person or property in any restricted building or

grounds;

or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided

in subsection (b).

‘‘(b) The punishment for a violation of subsection (a) is—

‘‘(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than 10 years, or both, if—

‘‘(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense,

uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm;

or

‘‘(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as

defined by section 2118(e)(3); and

‘‘(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more

than one year, or both, in any other case.

‘‘(c) In this section—

H. R. 347—2

‘‘(1) the term ‘restricted buildings or grounds’ means any

posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area—

‘‘(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice

President’s official residence or its grounds;

‘‘(B) of a building or grounds where the President or

other person protected by the Secret Service is or will

be temporarily visiting; or

‘‘(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction

with an event designated as a special event of national

significance; and

‘‘(2) the term ‘other person protected by the Secret Service’

means any person whom the United States Secret Service is

authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by

Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined

such protection.’’.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.


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Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 11,763
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xballer10

Thanks for the welcome, although I much prefer being right than wrong.  Regardless, to say the least, the vote was pretty one sided..........In the Senate as well I may add.


xballer10 - Like you said, it was one sided.  The link you have is last year's vote.  This year, it was 388-3 with one Democrat opposed.  Article here.  Let's move on as it's not that important.
xballer10

Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 7
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Oops, my bad...Ah what the heck.  What's a year between friends
woody

Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 3,685
Reply with quote  #19 
Yeah, who cares about that pesky constitution thingy anyway, it is always getting in the way.


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GoHawks

Registered: 05/13/07
Posts: 436
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

Quote:
Originally Posted by xballer10

Thanks for the welcome, although I much prefer being right than wrong.  Regardless, to say the least, the vote was pretty one sided..........In the Senate as well I may add.



xballer10 - Like you said, it was one sided.  The link you have is last year's vote.  This year, it was 388-3 with one Democrat opposed.  Article here.  Let's move on as it's not that important.

There you go again mean-spirited know-it-all!

Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 5,536
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Wish I had the Jedi powers of politicians. This vote only confirms what we all know ....politicians believe the public is a bunch of helpless children and they are the all knowing and powerful parents. Politicians priorities are to child proof this country and build their bank account. It really helps that instead of going after them this board and other venues snipe with each other while they do their thing.

"There is nothing wrong with this vote"
"Liberals and conservatives continue to fight"




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Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovemesomesoftball

"Liberals and conservatives continue to fight"



LMSS - While this is quite accurate, I'm not sure it's completely fair.

Every day, Bobby walks up and smacks Johnny upside the head and every day, Johnny slaps back.  Standing there each day is George and each day he asks, "are you two going to fight every day?"

It is as ridiculous as you suggest but, hey, I'm here and I have trouble giving up the free pass.  Today it was shame on Obama and shame on Obama supporters.  I suspect it will be similar tomorrow.   
Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 5,536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovemesomesoftball

"Liberals and conservatives continue to fight"



LMSS - While this is quite accurate, I'm not sure it's completely fair.

Every day, Bobby walks up and smacks Johnny upside the head and every day, Johnny slaps back.  Standing there each day is George and each day he asks, "are you two going to fight every day?"

It is as ridiculous as you suggest but, hey, I'm here and I have trouble giving up the free pass.  Today it was shame on Obama and shame on Obama supporters.  I suspect it will be similar tomorrow.   


There was this one kid....lets use the name you already gave, George.....who would go back and forth between Bobby and Johnny.

He would say  "man you going to take that from him"..."do you know what he just did"......"oh you going to let him do that:.... Bobby and Johnny probably would have been good friends but George couldn't have that. He made out when the two fought....they would get suspended and he would go out with their girls. They would take off their jackets to fight and he would take their jackets home. Sometimes Bobby and Johnny really didn't know what they were fighting about so George would remind them.  George made more at having them at odds then he did when they were friendly toward each other.

Not the perfect analogy but hey....I got too many fires going this week. I'll drop by next week and try to be more creative.

This bill passed the house 399-3. Tells me the parents have spoken.....and they must love watching the little kiddies act out with each other vs calling them out. That is what I really wanted to note.


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sbmom1812

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very sad that both sides are throwing away our freedoms like they are nothing.  Really need to clean house and have some term limits!
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Dewey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovemesomesoftball

George made more at having them at odds then he did when they were friendly toward each other.


Ain't that the truth.  There are many entities in America making a fortune from our partisan divide.  Talk radio, Cable TV, Ad agencies, political campaigns, and the list goes on and on.  But what's to gain here?  

There is a poster here who recently admitted to "ridiculing at every turn", regarding a different subject.  Radio and TV hosts, cable shows, and comedians make fortunes for such an approach with politics.  I get that.  Outrageous sells...just ask Howard Stern.  But here one doesn't get a dime for such an approach and, unless there's some personal satisfaction I cannot fully understand, it seems odd.  I highly doubt many here bicker with or ridicule family members when having a political discussion at home.  I can only surmise it's the faceless nature of an internet forum.     

Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 5,536
Reply with quote  #26 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovemesomesoftball

George made more at having them at odds then he did when they were friendly toward each other.


Ain't that the truth.  There are many entities in America making a fortune from our partisan divide.  Talk radio, Cable TV, Ad agencies, political campaigns, and the list goes on and on.  But what's to gain here?  Ego points

There is a poster here who recently admitted to "ridiculing at every turn", regarding a different subject.  Radio and TV hosts, cable shows, and comedians make fortunes for such an approach with politics.  I get that.  Outrageous sells...just ask Howard Stern.  But here one doesn't get a dime for such an approach and, unless there's some personal satisfaction I cannot fully understand, it seems odd.  I highly doubt many here bicker with or ridicule family members when having a political discussion at home.  I can only surmise it's the faceless nature of an internet forum.     


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BillSmith

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Further reading:

 

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/12/44616.htm


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Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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Reply with quote  #28 

LMSS - I never dreamed anonymously mocking an entire political Party or calling folks bats**t crazy would be ego building.  Anyway, I gotta go as I have some hangup calls to make.  Have a good evening. 

rocklifter

Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 2,403
Reply with quote  #29 
A study was performed within the past 6 months getting a cross section of America to respond to simple questions. The main one is Do you feel safe in the US?
The overwhelming response is NO they do not feel safe in their homes, work, etc.
The 600% increase of bunker sales for individual families to have in time of crisis is staggering. The last time this study was taken and shown to be this dramatic was during the Cuban Missle Crisis. (Dem administration/Kennedy's).
Im sorry but this is on the present administration.

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Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 5,536
Reply with quote  #30 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dewey

LMSS - I never dreamed anonymously mocking an entire political Party or calling folks bats**t crazy would be ego building.  Anyway, I gotta go as I have some hangup calls to make.  Have a good evening. 



To be clear ...I never said name calling and insulting is the only way people respond to post as a way to belittle others and boost their egos. Some are quite creative here in the methods they use.


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