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The first base umpire just gave team Japan two runs.  I hate when that happens !!!!!   
YUK !!!   

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I could punch Michele Smith in the face if I hear "they're a young team" one more time.
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What I love is A Slowpitch player gets play of the day from ESPN. Dennis Ruli made Jeter's play look like small potatoes. Giving the Slowpitch Game Some Lovin.....

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Rock - I don't love slow pitch and turned my TV off when it was 10-0 in the first inning.  Why don't they just put the ball on a tee?  Yuk !!  I even like soccer more than slow pitch softball.   
PS - I like what it says on the T-shirts, "Softball is for everyone.  Fastpitch is for athletes".  

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Nice Win for Team USA!

To see them rough up Someya some is a good sign for the offense!

If Ueno gets a wide zone in the Grand Final?

It will be tough!

Go USA!

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Drinking Game Alert - (for those over 21)
Every time Michelle Smith says "I" you have to take a drink of your beverage of choice.  Good lucking remembering anything past the 2nd inning...

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try it with the word "little" .. you might not make it past the pre-game
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Wondering what Cal would've been like this season with Ariotto? I guess we'll find out next year. She has been very impressive, but then, I'm not surprised, having seen her improve throughout her first 3 years in college. They should be among the favorites to win it all next year.

Assuming Canada, USA and Japan all win their remaining games today, there will be a 3 way tie. Does anyone know the tiebreaker in place to determine the top 2 who will play for the title? Because all 3 will have split with one another.
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Rock - I don't love slow pitch and turned my TV off when it was 10-0 in the first inning.  Why don't they just put the ball on a tee?  Yuk !!  I even like soccer more than slow pitch softball.   
PS - I like what it says on the T-shirts, "Softball is for everyone.  Fastpitch is for athletes".  


Frank. You are showing a bias that many do who have never tried to play the game or really watch it. Yesterday there were some incredibly stellar plays defensively on both sides. Hitting a softball also is not nearly as easy to perform as one who is uninformed would think. Slowpitch is a game that anyone can play, however to be able to play at the highest level and stay there is another thing all together.
Again I forgive your ignorance and bias.

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Rock - I don't love slow pitch and turned my TV off when it was 10-0 in the first inning.  Why don't they just put the ball on a tee?  Yuk !!  I even like soccer more than slow pitch softball.   
PS - I like what it says on the T-shirts, "Softball is for everyone.  Fastpitch is for athletes".  


Frank. You are showing a bias that many do who have never tried to play the game or really watch it. Yesterday there were some incredibly stellar plays defensively on both sides. Hitting a softball also is not nearly as easy to perform as one who is uninformed would think. Slowpitch is a game that anyone can play, however to be able to play at the highest level and stay there is another thing all together.
Again I forgive your ignorance and bias.

all sports are like that...

but i'd have to agree with JG.. that wasn't exactly thrilling entertainment.   wasn't it 25-3 at one point?  .. hard to stay interested..

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rock - I did play that game for two summers while also pitching fastpitch at a local and state level before I pitched men's major,  and I hated it.  I'll give you this - hitting that slow stuff isn't as easy as it looks when those behemoths keep hitting the ball out of the park.  I also umpired in a very fine defensive slow pitch league that spawned the national champions though I don't know the level.  I know it wasn't Steeles level but  it  was very good - and I was rated as the #1 umpire, so don't think that I haven't been there and done that.                                                                                         

My perspective is skewed because I love the game of fastpitch softball.  Through high school and college I was basically a football, basketball, and baseball guy, but I found a home in men's fastpitch softball.  I tried my best to like slow pitch, but just couldn't.  I respect that you and others could.  

PS - I also played one game of "Modified" - a game played inning by inning between arguments about whether the pitcher is legal or not.    I threw "slingshot or "figure eight", and they threw me out of the tournament because the officials said that I was "slinging" the ball.  I was throwing my rise ball off that funky motion, and struck out 8 in three innings with no hits and no runs before they axed me.  I thought I was legal, but our shortstop told me that I wasn't.  

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Frank, modified was a very lucrative game for one Canadian pitcher in the 1980's.
He played for a team in Miami "sponsored" by the latino "mafia".  Was paid in cash-over $100,000 for the season. Yes, for him, it was 'a very good year' !

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ten four - Did he also pitch men's major throwing windmill?  I personally know of only one guy who did that and was effective at both.  He was one of the fireman at ground zero on 9-11-01.  
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Moultrie = ridiculous catch
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Been watching the past few USA games- certainly a young team with only a little bit of international experience- but all are extremely talented and capable of getting big hits. Super impressed by Arioto- WOW! She will be very very good for Cal next season. Cochran is doing it all for this team- WTG ProudDaughter! 
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Speaking of Michelle Smith...  I am growing a little tired of the comment, "you can't do that at the international level", in referring to leaving the ball over the plate, or not taking advantage of an error or whatever the case is.  She speaks as if the players are 10U and never played at the collegiate level.  I understand the international level of play is a bit higher when in comes to USA and Japan and potentially Canada, but I think a large number of NCAA teams could compete and finish 3rd in this event.


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Michele Smith = continues to be most annoying sports broadcaster ever.

USA = finding their groove and showing the amount of potential on this team.

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Speaking of Michelle Smith...  I am growing a little tired of the comment, "you can't do that at the international level", in referring to leaving the ball over the plate, or not taking advantage of an error or whatever the case is.  She speaks as if the players are 10U and never played at the collegiate level.  I understand the international level of play is a bit higher when in comes to USA and Japan and potentially Canada, but I think a large number of NCAA teams could compete and finish 3rd in this event.


i was thinking the same thing.  the overall level of competition was better at the wcws.  
and really.. how good of a 'team' is japan?  w/o their #1 pitcher they are fair at best.

i think an SEC, PAC12 or BIG12 all star team would fare quite well at the "international level" 

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This years ASU team would likely take almost everyone at this tournament behind the woodshed.
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rock - I did play that game for two summers while also pitching fastpitch at a local and state level before I pitched men's major,  and I hated it.  I'll give you this - hitting that slow stuff isn't as easy as it looks when those behemoths keep hitting the ball out of the park.  I also umpired in a very fine defensive slow pitch league that spawned the national champions though I don't know the level.  I know it wasn't Steeles level but  it  was very good - and I was rated as the #1 umpire, so don't think that I haven't been there and done that.                                                                                         

My perspective is skewed because I love the game of fastpitch softball.  Through high school and college I was basically a football, basketball, and baseball guy, but I found a home in men's fastpitch softball.  I tried my best to like slow pitch, but just couldn't.  I respect that you and others could.  

PS - I also played one game of "Modified" - a game played inning by inning between arguments about whether the pitcher is legal or not.    I threw "slingshot or "figure eight", and they threw me out of the tournament because the officials said that I was "slinging" the ball.  I was throwing my rise ball off that funky motion, and struck out 8 in three innings with no hits and no runs before they axed me.  I thought I was legal, but our shortstop told me that I wasn't.  


Frank its funny you mention that your views are skewed. My experience is that except for baseball around the South there were few if any fastpitch or modified teams. Heck my 21 year old daughter did not have a chance to play fastpitch till she was about 11 or 12. Now she did learn how to play defense by playing slowpitch. But there were few opportunities for fastpitch here.
I guess its all about perspective. When I played Mens ball, I literally would hit hundreds of balls a week to stay on top of things. Do weights three to four times and week. Then of course add in the dreaded running aspect and we would put in alot of work. The funny thing to me is except for the phrase softball there are just a few similarities really. Or more like comparing apples to oranges. Granted there were more than a few ex baseball players who have come to play the Highest Level of Slowpitch. Doug Flynn, Cory Snyder, Jim Fuller, and many more Minor League Players.
I think that people are going to make a judgement on whether they like either fastpitch or slowpitch. I happen to love both because I had a wonderful daughter force it down my throat....Oh yeah and a 12 year backing all the work her older sister did. LOL

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This years ASU team would likely take almost everyone at this tournament behind the woodshed.


I believe your right. They had such a complete team.. Very impressive.

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1. Many of the men playing slowpitch at the international level played college baseball and/or pro baseball. Any sport can be played recreationally as well as competitively on the top levels. Doesn't make the participants less athletes than someone in another sport.
And the overweight guy who can barely run just got a gold medal for shooting a bow...and his siter got one for shooting a gun. Marksmen are athletes and olympic events yet we dropped softball and baseball.

2. I agree michelle smith is annoying but she had to throw away her team usa softball rogram from the past 5 years and basically use the women's college world series program to identify the players  to the audience and have commentary.

3. Ttile IX and opportunity has the usa ahead of the pack. Our "futures" team is now our national team and it is still better than international competition.
The world does not care about women's softball the way america, japan, and canada do. Note those were the only 3 teams in the world cup of softball last year and we added the usa futures team just to have 4 teams in the tourney. Pitiful to have only 3 teams show up for an international event. And attending was poor when the olympics were still around for softball.

The world cares about soccer because any country, nomatter how poor or small, can field a soccer team and afford it. Any kid can play soccer and then aspire to be a soccer star. Kid's in brazil, france, germany, etc. aren't playing softball as kids and they have no national team stars to look up to.
Nitice you don't see them in international play in okc...ever.

Notice the international teams we see in okc have players that played college in usa. Go figure. Japan and usa are their only opportunity to play softball competitively outside of clubs. So go to usa and play college ball, get an education, then play for your home country . THAT is what can save softball so it comes back in 2020 in olympics. Competitive teams outside of north america and japan. So let them come here and play as teens in college same as our girls do. Level the playing field. Our girls are bigger, faster, stronger, and have played most their lives. Why? We develop players and pick from the best. Our women's college world series is a showcase for the up and comers and we even have pre-college competiton and all-star games.

We dump softball and baseball yet Synchronized swimming is an olympic event as is rhythmic gymnastics so why not just let the kids from fame and glee compete. Dancing with the stars. And we have shooting events and several bowling/throwing/curling events yet no softball? Answer is bcause no matter how lame those events seem there are several teams worldwide that are competitive in them. The usa does not have an advantage because of college sports in those events. Level playing field....just like soccer is.
Crossing my fingers for more teams worldwide to be competitive.
Would LOVE to see a world cup of softball that had 16 teams and played out with the drama and excitement of the world cup.



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I was also glad the top usa and canadian players stayed in pro ball. As we see the usa college kids are a top 1-2 international team. It wasn't the specific players that made usa great--- it is the usa softball program from youth to high school to college to international. Before cat and jennie we had lisa fernandez and michelle smith. We crank em out.
I hate seeing usa use pro players in international basketball (because we were tired of losing with our college kids) and I hated it in softball....which is what cost softball it's spot in olympics. Love the new look  USA team and embrace it as well as the pro softball leagues.

You don't need olympics for a national team to matter!!!!
Ask Germany women's soccer team. They are Number 2 ranked team in the world and because they do not have a european qualifier for olympics the top 2 european finishers in world cup get the olympic spots....Germany was upset by eventual champion japan which sends france and sweden to the 2012 olympics. England makes it since it is host country and usa still has to qualify. So German women's soccer team, world cup champions in 2003 and 2007, has to wait til 2015 for next world cup and 2016 for next olympics for international competiton again. Think they are going to blow off their national team? No. So we should continue to support our national team even without olympics.

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The Aussies beat Canada 8-3 tonight to set up tomorrow:

#6 Czech Republic (0-5) v. #5 Great Britain (1-4)

#4 Canada (3-2) v. #3 Australia (3-2)

#2 Japan (4-1) v. #1 USA (4-1)

My thoughts:
- Will Japan pitch Ueno, and how will the USA do against her?
- There was some talk on this board about where the Aussies and Canada stand in relation to world rankings. Australia beat Canada 2 times out of 3 in the Canada Cup (1 being a run rule) and then spanked Canada tonight with an appearance in the 1st place game on the line for Canada. Australia lost a lot of long time players after Beijing in 2008, but I still think they are the #3 team in the world regardless of the outcome of tomorrow's game. However, I do realize that is still up for debate with the Canadians upsetting USA yesterday.

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Val hit 19 homeruns before her injury but was walked 81 times. If she can get some more pitches i'm thinking she pulls damn near 30 next year. Long shot today! Making me proud.

Not sure how I never knew of May-Johnson until this year!!

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Half effort?

How does a person spot half-effort?  Do they have special psychological X-ray vision?   From my TV screen I saw many examples of diving in the dirt for a ball, of hustling to 1st on a ground ball, players cheering from the dugout.  Where did you see signs of half effort?

What does it matter what an announcer says?  About as much as Michelle Smith's ineffective 1990 era hitting advice.



I hear you. My position on this as a fan has really shifted recently since I've had the opportunity to get to know some of these athletes that we watch on TV and to hear about what transpires in these games from their point of view. They bristle at some of the things announcers and people on this board say. And when you hear their side of it, it often makes the  comments of announcers or we all knowing posters on UCS look CLUELESS. 

I've moved away from saying athletes (pro, international or college) "aren't trying".

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Making Michele Smith look clueless is as easy as saying KELSI Dunne and not CHELSEA Dunne.

Tonights drinking game for the "Michele-isms"...

Take a shot everytime she says "This is a young team."

Take a shot everytime she says anything about herself.

Take two shots everytime she says "They don't know the kind of energy they need at the international level."

Take three shots everytime she says something positive about a player.

Drink the whole bottle if she doesn't say "iron forges iron."


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I think that Stacey May-Johnson would make an outstanding announcer.  Take notice, ESPN.  She is intelligent, knowledgeable, speaks the king's English, and is poised and insightful.  Of course, I don't know if she would be interested, but I think she would be a super color commentator.  If you heard her interview after the game with Great Britain, you will understand what I mean.  

No, I'm not related to her, nor have I ever met the person.       

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Frank I agree with you. It didn't take me long to become a fan of SMJ.

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In defense of Michelle smith (who I have also knocked for her announcing).

It is much much more difficult to learn the team rosters, names, tidbit, stats, and other information and pass it along via tv and radio in an infomative and entertaining way than doing an interview.  We are reminded of this everyday when we watch Monday night football, wnba broadcasts, espn broadcast of a sporting event, and all other sports events broadcast like world cup soccer, etc.

You have a person who is great at an interview. They are carefree, in the moment, and answer questions, give thanks, say "take it one day at a time" and other cliches, etc. Then they are an commentator/analyst for their sport and it is a job. They have script, stat pages, bios to learn, pronunciation of names to remember, and they must continue to talk for the entire game. Analyze and commentate on the game for around 2 hours non-stop and keep it entertaining. She has played since age 5, she was in a car accident where she lost part of her elbow bone and had the tricep torn from her pitching arm then went on to star as a pitcher for oklahoma state university. She played before there was olympic softball. She played in the first olympic softball event and got gold in it and the following olympics. She played in japan and was an mvp and has over 7 titles. She is in the softball hall of fame. She has international flair , experience and knowledge as a player, coach and playing with international players. NBC, abc, cbs and espn have used her as an analyst so she is doing something right even if she grates my nerves at times.

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