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ProudDad

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Big Day tomorrow!

Canada vs. USA will be fun.

The Canucks will challenge Team USA!

I will bet on Someya to pitch in the night cap.

Team USA needs to hit more!


That's for certain. I'm concerned with one hitters power outage. Liked the scoring from first but what's up with not swinging away?

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Please show me my bias tenfour. mindajane is a Washington fan and I have said nothing for nor against Team USA. Please note that Team USA lost their shortstop in Canada. This forced the change of May-Johnson to SS, a position she had not played since College. This caused Leles to move into the lineup at third. Leles gets injured and this causes Hoagland to move to third. Last night she played second. Schute was playing catcher and played outfield for Florida. She is playing catcher because Lappin retired, Bramlett retired and Shults was ill. Holcomb had already pinch hit. Maybe all of this has something to do with how the team is playing. Of the three losses to Japan in Canada two were by one run and in the 4-3 loss team USA out hit Japan 11-4. As I recall the veterans that retired who were part of the Olympic team lost to Japan in the Gold Medal game 3-1. Errors were made and little scoring was accomplished by team USA. They had been together for 2 or more Olympics.Maybe we could give these young players more than a few weeks and a few injuries to jell. Just because I have a daughter on the team it does not mean I can't see clearly. I've seen the mistakes, I seen the wild pitches, the inconsistent fielding and hitting. A new coaching staff, two returning players and several of those injured. When was the last time Team USA had this many players still playing in college? Never? Prior players have played together for 8-10 years. A month versus 8-10 years. Go figure, they are making mistakes.[/QUOTFirst off what on earth does me being a Washington fan have to do with anything? Yes I am Washington fan and I am proud of it! But that has nothing to do with Team USA whatsoever.

I am a fan of Team USA! I'm proud of these girls and the job they've done! Not what I read from your prior post.Yes I know they have had obstacles. Yes I get that they haven't played together long. My point wasn't that they don't have talent, heart, or anything like that. My point was they have been flat both games(even the announcers commented on that). Doesn't make it so.I've not hidden my position on what happened between USA softball and their players during the off season. I think it was crap and I wish people would quit saying they retired. They didn't retire.They did from Team USA. They are still playing ball and great ball at that. And they would still be playing for USA softball except USA softball got too big for their pants and started throwing crazy demands around.Have you heard both sides?If these demands were so bad then how did they get players to play for them? What they did, didn't just hurt the former players but is also hurting the current players. Getting voted out of the Olympics hurt the current players. I know one in particular that is heart broken that her opportunity was yanked from her in 2012. They lost a ton of support and in that these girls lost a ton of support. It has never been more obvious than now with the not even half full stadium they are playing in. The attendance for these games has been AWFUL and that breaks my heart!As you said above, what does that have to do with the what I posted. But with all that said these are girls I love watch play softball. If you've read my post you would know I am so a HUGE OU fan(was actually an OU fan before I was a UW fan) and Keliani Ricketts and Jessica Shultz fan. You would also know that I am HUGE Lady Vols fan and fan of Kelly Grieve and Lauren Gibson.How do you think they felt about you and the announcers saying they were playing with half effort. I do like to watch the other teams. I love international softball and watching how different each team is. Not just in how they play but in their personalities and the way they do things. I am a big fan of Aussie softball, Japanese softball, and Canadian softball! I just love good softball and I saw alot of good softball played tonight by both teams but I have been very impressed by this Aussie team and their fighting spirit. They took Japan to extra innings and lost earlier today and they gave USA a fight. No matter how I feel about the people who run USA softball, I do and will always support these young ladies! But just because I support them doesn't mean I can't comment on something several other people have said. You agreed with them, I don't. I thought it was piling on and uncalled for. You have every right to say it, that doesn't make what you were agreeing with correct. You want the stands full, attend the games. Help sell this team and let the former team go. Support USA softball, support these players, coaches and their efforts. JMHO.




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Please show me my bias tenfour. mindajane is a Washington fan and I have said nothing for nor against Team USA. Please note that Team USA lost their shortstop in Canada. This forced the change of May-Johnson to SS, a position she had not played since College. This caused Leles to move into the lineup at third. Leles gets injured and this causes Hoagland to move to third. Last night she played second. Schute was playing catcher and played outfield for Florida. She is playing catcher because Lappin retired, Bramlett retired and Shults was ill. Holcomb had already pinch hit. Maybe all of this has something to do with how the team is playing. Of the three losses to Japan in Canada two were by one run and in the 4-3 loss team USA out hit Japan 11-4. As I recall the veterans that retired who were part of the Olympic team lost to Japan in the Gold Medal game 3-1. Errors were made and little scoring was accomplished by team USA. They had been together for 2 or more Olympics.Maybe we could give these young players more than a few weeks and a few injuries to jell. Just because I have a daughter on the team it does not mean I can't see clearly. I've seen the mistakes, I seen the wild pitches, the inconsistent fielding and hitting. A new coaching staff, two returning players and several of those injured. When was the last time Team USA had this many players still playing in college? Never? Prior players have played together for 8-10 years. A month versus 8-10 years. Go figure, they are making mistakes.[/QUOTFirst off what on earth does me being a Washington fan have to do with anything? Yes I am Washington fan and I am proud of it! But that has nothing to do with Team USA whatsoever.

I am a fan of Team USA! I'm proud of these girls and the job they've done! Not what I read from your prior post.Yes I know they have had obstacles. Yes I get that they haven't played together long. My point wasn't that they don't have talent, heart, or anything like that. My point was they have been flat both games(even the announcers commented on that). Doesn't make it so.I've not hidden my position on what happened between USA softball and their players during the off season. I think it was crap and I wish people would quit saying they retired. They didn't retire.They did from Team USA. They are still playing ball and great ball at that. And they would still be playing for USA softball except USA softball got too big for their pants and started throwing crazy demands around.Have you heard both sides?If these demands were so bad then how did they get players to play for them? What they did, didn't just hurt the former players but is also hurting the current players. Getting voted out of the Olympics hurt the current players. I know one in particular that is heart broken that her opportunity was yanked from her in 2012. They lost a ton of support and in that these girls lost a ton of support. It has never been more obvious than now with the not even half full stadium they are playing in. The attendance for these games has been AWFUL and that breaks my heart!As you said above, what does that have to do with the what I posted. But with all that said these are girls I love watch play softball. If you've read my post you would know I am so a HUGE OU fan(was actually an OU fan before I was a UW fan) and Keliani Ricketts and Jessica Shultz fan. You would also know that I am HUGE Lady Vols fan and fan of Kelly Grieve and Lauren Gibson.How do you think they felt about you and the announcers saying they were playing with half effort. I do like to watch the other teams. I love international softball and watching how different each team is. Not just in how they play but in their personalities and the way they do things. I am a big fan of Aussie softball, Japanese softball, and Canadian softball! I just love good softball and I saw alot of good softball played tonight by both teams but I have been very impressed by this Aussie team and their fighting spirit. They took Japan to extra innings and lost earlier today and they gave USA a fight. No matter how I feel about the people who run USA softball, I do and will always support these young ladies! But just because I support them doesn't mean I can't comment on something several other people have said. You agreed with them, I don't. I thought it was piling on and uncalled for. You have every right to say it, that doesn't make what you were agreeing with correct. You want the stands full, attend the games. Help sell this team and let the former team go. Support USA softball, support these players, coaches and their efforts. JMHO.



I got your opinion loud and clear with the first post. Don't see why you need to post a 2nd one to me. I get that you don't agree with me and I get that you think I am not USA softball fan! I would respond more but there is no point as no matter what I say it's going to be wrong in your eyes.

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I got your opinion loud and clear with the first post. Don't see why you need to post a 2nd one to me. I get that you don't agree with me and I get that you think I am not USA softball fan! I would respond more but there is no point as no matter what I say it's going to be wrong in your eyes.

Thought I would give you another example of piling on. Sorry if it was excessive.



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Half effort?

How does a person spot half-effort?  Do they have special psychological X-ray vision?   From my TV screen I saw many examples of diving in the dirt for a ball, of hustling to 1st on a ground ball, players cheering from the dugout.  Where did you see signs of half effort?

What does it matter what an announcer says?  About as much as Michelle Smith's ineffective 1990 era hitting advice.




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I think that folks here are talking about two different things, confusing team personality with effort,  Let's face it, aside from Rhea Taylor, there is little on this team that resembles Georgia or even the circus, overt  excitement and manifest enthusiasm which  fans love.  It is possible that Coach Eriksen is teaching a "not too high" and "not too low" approach to his charges because they are so young.  I don't know, just guessing with the rest that he doesn't want too emotional an approach.  I do know that he knows what he is doing.  In no way does this contradict their desire to win or to give their best effort.  They are young.  They will improve.  The injuries certainly don't aid team performance.  We as fans are spoiled by our previous teams.  It's a new era.  Let's flow with the flow and wish them well even as we recognize the difference.  
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Come on softball fans, if you have nothing to do turn the TV on to ESPN channel and watch Canada V's USA.
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I have seen Caira pitch several times and respect her abilities, especially her change, but I'm wondering about the legality of her motion.   Is it not true that once the body begins forward motion, it must continue and deliver the ball?  Ciara presents two forward motions.  At one time windmillers were allowed to rotate as many times as they wanted to before releasing the ball.  That was considered too deceptive so it was outlawed.   Doesn't Ciara's motion accomplish the same thing?  I lost my rule book in 1985, so someone will have to help me out on this.   
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Come on softball fans, if you have nothing to do turn the TV on to ESPN channel and watch Canada V's USA.


I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I don't understand why ESPN will televise a million hours of this world cup of softball, but avoids the NPF even though the NPF clearly has the better players who also have more name-recognition.

 
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Come on softball fans, if you have nothing to do turn the TV on to ESPN channel and watch Canada V's USA.


I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I don't understand why ESPN will televise a million hours of this world cup of softball, but avoids the NPF even though the NPF clearly has the better players who also have more name-recognition.

 

NPF will be on ESPN next month for the championship series! Should be some great softball!  

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Caira illegally pitched her way to a conference title last year.  Saw it in person.  I hope they're keeping her honest here.

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I think that folks here are talking about two different things, confusing team personality with effort,  Let's face it, aside from Rhea Taylor, there is little on this team that resembles Georgia or even the circus, overt  excitement and manifest enthusiasm which  fans love.  It is possible that Coach Eriksen is teaching a "not too high" and "not too low" approach to his charges because they are so young.  I don't know, just guessing with the rest that he doesn't want too emotional an approach.  I do know that he knows what he is doing.  In no way does this contradict their desire to win or to give their best effort.  They are young.  They will improve.  The injuries certainly don't aid team performance.  We as fans are spoiled by our previous teams.  It's a new era.  Let's flow with the flow and wish them well even as we recognize the difference.  


JG,
Not sure I got Rhea Taylor line...I know she is from the state of Georgia...but nevermind....I have a story

I took my younger brother (he was 19 at the time) to the WCWS in 2009. First time he saw a college softball game. Fell in love with the game...mainly the players.....anyway...I'm sitting in my seat minding my own business when he bolt down a few rows. I saw Steve Langenfeld there, and he was talking to a few Missouri players. A few minutes later....my brother, comes back up with a sad look on his face. I was like "what's up".....he's like I need you down there right now.  On the way down he explains...he is trying to talk to the Missouri girls but Steve knows all the softball lingo, and he doesn't....I stopped in my tracks and said so basically ....you have no game!! I went down with him....tried to get him in the discussion but it was a lost cause. I left with the image of his little brown eyes ....trying to look in the eyes of Rhea Taylor....hahahaha


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I wish there were more NPF games on tv too.  Anyone else remember the good old days of the WPSL where they'd show like 10 games throughout the summer?  And why is the championship always in some small town far away from everything else?  If it's to draw in new fans, fine, but that would piss me off if I were a regular attending fan in one of those cities.

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Rock on PD!  I think the underlying problem with this team is that it isn't the old team, and for much of the fanbase it takes some getting used to.  There is no "guaranteed" offense (Bustos, Mendoza, et. al.) and no guarantee in the circle either.  Of course, the are no locks anyway in sports.  But it's the expectation mindset that causes us to feel some disappointment when what might be doesn't come to pass.  It just goes with the territory.

That said, the two very weak K's in the bottom of the sixth won't do much for anyone's confidence.  It will get better though.  GO USA...    

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A - University of Georgia softball is noted for its exhuberence, some say too much so.  I personally like it.  
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A - University of Georgia softball is noted for its exhuberence, some say too much so.  I personally like it.  


JG,
Rhea is from the state of Georgia, but she played at Missouri. Think that is where we got our lines crossed. I haven't watched many of the games, so don't know if she is the only spirited one out there...and didn't know if you were noting a Georgia connection.
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USA V's Japan game is on
by the way who won the previous game v's australia

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USA V's Japan game is on
by the way who won the previous game v's Australia
by the way did you fans notice the difference in the pitchers weights between the previous pitchers and these new ones.

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Frank,

Here are the only two passages of the NCAA rules that apply to the delivery in question:

10.3 Start of the Pitch

The pitch officially begins and cannot be discontinued once the hands have separated after coming together.

 

In this case, the movement is prior to "the pitch".

 

10.5 The Windup

The windup phase of the pitch begins when the hands come together and ends when the hands separate. The pitcher may use any windup desired providing she does not, after having taken the signal and bringing her hands together:

10.5.1 Make any motion to pitch without immediately delivering the ball to the batter.

10.5.2 Separate her hands and then return the ball to both hands.

10.5.3 Stop and change direction more than twice.

 

Does the pitcher in question run afoul of 10.5.1? Depends on how you define the two terms, motion and immediately.

 

Yeah, I know this tourney is governed by ISF, but comments that she "pitched illegally all year" prompted me to list the NCAA set.


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Is it my old pitcher imagination, or is this umpire squeezing both pitchers in the Japan vs. USA game?  That generally leads to fewer strikeouts, and sometimes to more runs.  
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OK.  If what the Japanese runner got away with at second base (veering 6 feet to the SS side to jam the DP throw) isn't interference, I must be confused on the rule, eh?
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something must be wrong with Keilani tonite.. she can only muster 68 on the gun.. what happened to her blazing 74 mpg heater from the wcws??

am i the only one that's annoyed by "american" michelle smith's constant gushing over the fabulousness that is the Japan squad?   go back to Japan!!

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people ... people if you are tired of the game watch  TWO AND A HALF MEN
never seen so many tiring players for the US team
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Arioto again puts USA up with a extra base hit. 3-2 over japan right now. What a boss
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Arioto and Cochran have both been amazing!  That defensive play at first was huge by Arioto just now and I love Cochran's intensity.  Go USA!!!

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My hubby called that GS!  Go Val!
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That's what happens when you walk Cochran! 
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Good God the amount of potential on this USA team is unreal.
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Grand slam baby!!!! ARIOTOOOOOOOOO
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i understand it's "international" softball..  but the rules are still the same in other countries right?   you still have to beat the throw to first to be considered safe.. right?
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