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TheHammer

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how many people do you think care if we win or not ?
we have a team without known players of the past.
so if we win GREAT
if we lose TOO BAAAAD

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Hammer - I think a lot of people care.  Most important of all, at least to me, are the young players currently in travel ball or college.  When Olympic softball ended it was a huge setback for the game.  Suddenly young players had no chance to live their dreams.  Partially because this team is very young, with many players not that far away from travel ball themselves, kids this summer have begun to identify with the USA team.  It is a bit like the dream being rekindled.  I know my players watched World Cup games when we weren't playing, know who the players are, and talk a lot about the national team.  They already look up to our national team players.  Part of that is that two of the U.S. players are graduates of our club program, but my kids seem to admire the entire team, know where many of them attend (or attended) college and see them as role models for their games. I am excited with the changing of the guard, although it is hard to believe that Katie is already the veteran she is of international play.  I think the USA not only competing with, but defeating the reigning Olympic champs, was also an important step in helping revitalize young players' interest in the game. I had gotten a bit bored myself with seeing the same U.S. players year after year, wondering if our young talent could compete against the best internationally. I am excited to see that we can.     
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from what other fans have said we beat a second team of Japan, thus we have as yet not proven that we are the best. I am sure that we will when we have more experience.
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I agree with coach about Ueno. She was dominant in canada cup and japan had at least 4 shut out including usa twice, australia and canada. She is as important to success of japan in a big game as lisa fernandez was for the USA in her day. 1 great pitcher in a tourney does make a difference as we all know. The team usa eagles had 3 hits and 10 strikeout against her in the 7-0 loss to japan in canada cup championship.

Ueno beat the superstar team usa for 2008 olympic gold medal. She also beat them in 2005 world cup of softball in okc and gave usa their only loss in 2006. She throws a fastball just over 75 mph (zoom) and was the only pitcher in the past 6 years that worried the mighty USA since she could shut them down. "She's a bad mutha--shut yo mouth, I'm just talkin' about Ueno...ok we can dig it".

With Ueno they can compete with top tier (like in canada cup)...without they need luck (in OKC world cup they beat canada in extra innings and beat australia in extra innings...everyone beat up czech republic and great britain so those don't matter...and they lost to usa twice). And to get to first place game monday they had to have Australia upset canada sunday night when the announcers were already bragging about how with the 3-way tie usa and canada had lowest runs-against totals and japan's was way high and would keep them out of first place game.
Ueno makes a huge difference for a team that's signature is defense and doesn't score alot.

This doesn't diminish the USA victory. The young usa team deserves credit for all their wins. It is just stating tidbits of info as a fan of international softball as a whole (seeing many a game while in australia, japan, etc)
Go team USA!

Ueno only shut the USA out once in Canada, the championship game. The other game ship pitched against Team USA she was pulled after 4 innings giving up 1 earned run. Japan won the game 4-3.


Read what you highlighted from me  ....I said Ueno was dominant in canada and JAPAN had at least 4 shut outs including the USA twice. Japan had 7-0 shutout of USA in championship game and they shut out the USA 1-0 in 9 innings as well. Ricketts pitched the entire game and got the loss and Someya pitched all 9 for japan and got the shutout win.

On a side note....notice also that team australia beat team canada 2 of 3 games in the canada cup and finished 3rd. Team canada played better in OKC than they did in canada (with the exception of the australia loss that knocked them out of the championship game).

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I agree with coach about Ueno. She was dominant in canada cup and japan had at least 4 shut out including usa twice, australia and canada. She is as important to success of japan in a big game as lisa fernandez was for the USA in her day. 1 great pitcher in a tourney does make a difference as we all know. The team usa eagles had 3 hits and 10 strikeout against her in the 7-0 loss to japan in canada cup championship.

Ueno beat the superstar team usa for 2008 olympic gold medal. She also beat them in 2005 world cup of softball in okc and gave usa their only loss in 2006. She throws a fastball just over 75 mph (zoom) and was the only pitcher in the past 6 years that worried the mighty USA since she could shut them down. "She's a bad mutha--shut yo mouth, I'm just talkin' about Ueno...ok we can dig it".

With Ueno they can compete with top tier (like in canada cup)...without they need luck (in OKC world cup they beat canada in extra innings and beat australia in extra innings...everyone beat up czech republic and great britain so those don't matter...and they lost to usa twice). And to get to first place game monday they had to have Australia upset canada sunday night when the announcers were already bragging about how with the 3-way tie usa and canada had lowest runs-against totals and japan's was way high and would keep them out of first place game.
Ueno makes a huge difference for a team that's signature is defense and doesn't score alot.

This doesn't diminish the USA victory. The young usa team deserves credit for all their wins. It is just stating tidbits of info as a fan of international softball as a whole (seeing many a game while in australia, japan, etc)
Go team USA!

Ueno only shut the USA out once in Canada, the championship game. The other game ship pitched against Team USA she was pulled after 4 innings giving up 1 earned run. Japan won the game 4-3.


Read what you highlighted from me  ....I said Ueno was dominant in canada and JAPAN had at least 4 shut outs including the USA twice. Japan had 7-0 shutout of USA in championship game and they shut out the USA 1-0 in 9 innings as well. Ricketts pitched the entire game and got the loss and Someya pitched all 9 for japan and got the shutout win.

On a side note....notice also that team australia beat team canada 2 of 3 games in the canada cup and finished 3rd. Team canada played better in OKC than they did in canada (with the exception of the australia loss that knocked them out of the championship game).

You are correct and I misread your comment thinking you had said that Ueno shut out Team USA twice.


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Hammer - If they had beaten the other team 100-0, you would be upset that it wasn't 101.  I really like the term that OC used for me, "relationship sensitive".  I notice quite a bit of that in your posts concerning the USA Olympic or National teams.  Just sayin old friend.  They defeated Japan's best team, but without Japan's best pitcher, Ueno, but Japan's other pitchers weren't chopped liver.  
Did you notice that Team USA didn't have Osterman or Abbott?   Doesn't that make the win over Japan even more impressive?      

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Frank, Ueno is part of the Japan team, while Osterman and Abbott are not part of the US team.
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Ueno is a member of the japan softball team 2011 and took part in other international tourneys with team japan this summer. As Hammer just stated--osterman and Abbot are not part of team USA this summer.

Not a question of who has best players not on their team (obviously team USA)...but playing your best players that are on your team roster is what hammer was debating.

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Hammer - You're talking roster, and I'm talking absence, two different things.  It's not worth getting upset about.   
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Heard that Ueno had a twinge in her hammy and they were never going to risk hurting it, with the Japanese pro league still in full swing I would think the new coach would have been given the sword if she had.

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PD,

I agree completely!

I personally believe that Japan did not pitch Yukiko in OKC for competitive reasons.

I think they sat Mine to test another catcher.

I simply wish we could have seen Ueno pitch in OKC.

In NO way is Japan dominating Team USA in Softball today!

Ueno can be dominant to any Team!



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PD,

I agree completely!

I personally believe that Japan did not pitch Yukiko in OKC for competitive reasons.

I think they sat Mine to test another catcher.

I simply wish we could have seen Ueno pitch in OKC.

In NO way is Japan dominating Team USA in Softball today!

Ueno can be dominant to any Team!

The End!
That other catcher did a pretty fair job of throwing out Team USA's base runners!

I  would have enjoyed seeing Ueno pitch with the strike zone in OKC.

We're on the same page OC, thanks for the response.

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OC - "Pretty much the same team that played for Japan against the USA in the Canada Cup final played against USA in the World Cup final minus Ueno (granted a big minus)".  Why would you make a point of diminishing USA's victory in the final at Okie City by, in effect, saying they played the Japanese Junior Varsity Team?  On the one hand, you congratulate them, and on the other you diminish the victory earned by Team USA.  Also, the strike zones might have been different (I don't know but they usually are from umpire to umpire), but Team USA's approach in Okie City was to lay off the pitches four to six inches east and west on the plate, and it paid off with walks and 3-2 counts.       



Joisey, Your words are quoted below. Those are all words that you created after reading my posts. Respectfully I must say that the words below do not seem very definitive to me. I respectfully believe those words were created because of your Nationality and relationship sensitivity.

I am a fan of International Softball. I support ALL Softball played around the globe. I love the USA. And I love and respect USA Softball.

Because of my life experiences. I probably have a different perspective of American/USA Softball than the average American has.

In no way did i intend to diminish the USA teams performance. I always attempt to assist USA Softball in any way I can today.

I am very sorry If I offended you or any USA Softball supporter in my posts.

I always simply try to be educated and honest in all my posts.

Wishing you the best.

OC

"Pretty Much"  " Diminishing" " In effect" "Junior Varsity Team"  " Diminish the Victory" "Usually"




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coach, sometimes being critical does not make you an oppositionist.
to me the US team was, is. and will always be the GREATEST, but it will not stop me from criticizing them when I think they are not giving their more than 100%

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OC - Earlier I wrote "I don't think you came across as you meant to. . ." in your one sentence.  I don't think that you meant to diminish the success of Team USA, but the words, separate from an explanation,  (to me) indicated an excuse why Japan didn't win or made less important the USA win, and thus diminished the effect of the USA Team win in the championship game in Okie City.  Just  my observation, and should be taken as only that.  My final word on the subject as you already have explained well your stance. I absolutely see that you are an advocate of international softball, and in specific USA softball as well.   :    
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Thank You Frank!

My best!

OC!

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