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Gators2014

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All of the NPF teams, besides Beijing, would easily be ranked in the Top 8 in the world if Canada and Australia are 3 and 4 currently. That would include USA and Japan being in that Top 8 somewhere too. 


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Canada has had so many outfield bobbles and misplays this game. It makes me cringe for the international game that they're considered #3 in the world. 
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Moultrie and Stewart each with 2 RBIs.

Gourley not her sharpest, but something was off with her wrist when she was throwing that change up. Did not look normal.

Go Gators!!


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Ally carda did a nice job coming in relief of delanie.
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Jocelyn Cater is still considered an ace. Team Canada is not messing around.
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Jocelyn Cater is still considered an ace. Team Canada is not messing around.



Lmao!



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Does anyone know why Sara groenewegen is not on the Canadian team?
NatRx

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I don't know much about anything or anyone, but my simple guess as to why a lot of big names are not around comes down to $
I don't know how anyone who isn't coaching or still in school can afford to take an entire summer off just to play.
Everyone bemoans how we 'don't have the best playing', but how do you expect these girls to pay their bills?
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So on point, NatRx
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Originally Posted by Gators2014
Canada has had so many outfield bobbles and misplays this game. It makes me cringe for the international game that they're considered #3 in the world. 


To be fair it's only one game, granted Canada is 1-3 now, which doesn't bode well for them. Were they the number 3 team with Sara G, but they told her to play in the NPF, so they could hide her until the olympics, cause I feel she could get just as good of competition against the NPF field.

Also perhaps the US & Japan are so dominant now, cause from 09-16 there was still the NCAA & Japan Pro League, whereas I haven't heard of a equivalent league in Canada (or Australia as well). I mean having a sport automatically be between two countries is actually pretty good, when you take into account that Men's & Womens Basketball, Woman's Gymnastics are sports of the top of my head where the USA could field a second team to go Gold & Silver, along with other sports like ping pong being dominated by the Chinese in both genders.

I will say the one thing about competitiveness in softball for other countries is you don't have to be the best overall team to win gold in the olympics. In order to have a chance you need just one dominating pitcher & a competent #2. In 2008 during round play Japan lost 7-0 to the USA without Ueno pitching saving her for three games against, Canada, Australia, and China. She lost against the US in the first medal round game, but in the gold medal game was dominant. Even though Japan went 1-2 against the US they beat them when it mattered.

I think Puerto Rico has a great chance of rising the rankings. Alvelo should only get better towards 2020 & Ocasio has proven to be a NCAA title pitcher. The strategy for any team not US & Japan, is to hope they play first. Whoever loses you throw your ace against, along with the ace pitching against 3 & 4. Then you hope that your number 2/staff can handle the 5,6,7 teams. Then nothing but your ace during the medal rounds.

I think the fact that Americans can play for different countries could contribute to the competiveness to the sport. But really all you need to be competitive is a shut down pitcher to throw against the best teams, or even just the worse teams so you can rank 4th in pool play. If PR has Ocasio & Alvelo I would say they have a great chance. Last year at the world championships didn't Dallas Escobedo play for Mexico, if she plays for them in 2020 Mexico has a chance. Two teams that could give the US & Japan trouble, where as in Men's & Womens basketball, you need countries with 5 good players to be competitive, while in softball you just need one really good player.

It's a shame for Canada that the period the olypmics were out, were out during Danielle Lawries prime.
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Originally Posted by NatRx
I don't know much about anything or anyone, but my simple guess as to why a lot of big names are not around comes down to $ I don't know how anyone who isn't coaching or still in school can afford to take an entire summer off just to play. Everyone bemoans how we 'don't have the best playing', but how do you expect these girls to pay their bills?



For me, they keep forcing the npf to try and succeed and it just does not.  When the Olympic Games, and playing for Team USA was the pinnacle...then it meant something and you got the best players.  Now it's just a boring cattle call on both ends.
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For me, they keep forcing the npf to try and succeed and it just does not.  When the Olympic Games, and playing for Team USA was the pinnacle...then it meant something and you got the best players.  Now it's just a boring cattle call on both ends.


And thus, lack of interest translates to lack of a decent paycheck via softball for these girls after college
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Again, it would be more profitable IMO as an alumni league from seven schools (Perhaps UCLA, Arizona, Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan) with one best-of-the-rest team
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Again, it would be more profitable IMO as an alumni league from seven schools (Perhaps UCLA, Arizona, Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan) with one best-of-the-rest team



Shoot, I was thinking more like triple a baseball league in the mid size cities across the country, with the cities owning and maintaining the teams like Rosemont, Ilinois is doing.  Sell beer and food and make it a Friday night out of it.
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Shoot, I was thinking more like triple a baseball league in the mid size cities across the country, with the cities owning and maintaining the teams like Rosemont, Ilinois is doing.  Sell beer and food and make it a Friday night out of it.


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What do you make of the fact that the winner of the 3 of the past 5 WCWS doesn't have a single player or coach on team USA?
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That no one really cares right now - all you have to do is look at the current coaching staff to see that.

I am thinking USA Softball will have a deeper pool of coaching candidates as the Olympics role around.  Better coaches will bring in the better players, as will the draw of the Olympics.
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What do you make of the fact that the winner of the 3 of the past 5 WCWS doesn't have a single player or coach on team USA?


Mariah Lopez is on the JWNT now. She was added this week to replace an injured player.

Also, Florida incoming freshmen Natalie Lugo & Hannah Adams are on the JWNT as well.
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Mariah Lopez is on the JWNT now. She was added this week to replace an injured player.

Also, Florida incoming freshmen Natalie Lugo & Hannah Adams are on the JWNT as well.


Was referring to the big girls.
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What do you make of the fact that the winner of the 3 of the past 5 WCWS doesn't have a single player or coach on team USA?

I mean that's pretty well known with what happened there.
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I mean that's pretty well known with what happened there.


Apparently not THAT well known.  Enlighten me.
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Apparently not THAT well known.  Enlighten me.


There just might be some butthurt feelings lingering from that Ricketts handling.  But Mariah Lopez is on the JWNT so maybe....
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There just might be some butthurt feelings lingering from that Ricketts handling.  But Mariah Lopez is on the JWNT so maybe....



I would think that wound has healed.  But holy cow, lots of names that would seem on par or in some cases FAR ahead of the names I saw vs Canada.   

I am curious though how McClenny manages to be NPF and USA when they wouldn't allow Ricketts to do so. 
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What do you make of the fact that the winner of the 3 of the past 5 WCWS doesn't have a single player or coach on team USA?


If I were Gasso...just say no! And why is Eriksen hc anyway?
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I would think that wound has healed.  But holy cow, lots of names that would seem on par or in some cases FAR ahead of the names I saw vs Canada.   

I am curious though how McClenny manages to be NPF and USA when they wouldn't allow Ricketts to do so. 


I think the McCleney situation is a result of the failed Ricketts standoff. And wounds don't heal so easy with certain people.
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I get very tired of hearing M Smith drone on about the 'speed of the international' game and other such comments suggesting that the 'young' U.S. team needs to learn how to compete. I'm guessing that aside from the U.S. and Japan there is no international team that finishes in the top half of the SEC.
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Was referring to the big girls.


I believe there were OU & UF players invited to & at the selection camp
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<< 2nd batter of the inning hits a solo home run 
Dalton gives USA jr a 1-0 lead >> (softballjunkie223)

I believe this is the same Dalton (Alissa Dalton) who got suspended at Oklahoma - and then transferred to Louisiana after the season.

I believe she was a SS before college. Oklahoma played her in LF and RF through most of the early 2017 season. Then she missed a bunch of games (I think she was suspended from the team) in the early-mid season. After Wodach got hurt (and Dalton was back to playing on the team again) they tried Dalton as their catcher for a while. While she needed some work defensively behind the plate, she continued to hit - as she had during her early season outfield play. Then all of a sudden she was gone from the team again - and did not play again for the remainder of the season (the last 21 games if I remember correctly).

The only note I saw about Dalton's absence from Oklahoma was a comment from coach Gasso that said something like this:
Dalton is not with the team right now. She is having trouble fitting in with the team.

I took this to mean that most likely Dalton had broken some team rules - and was suspended from participating.

If she could have "fit in" with the Oklahoma team... they could have had an even stronger offensive team than they did (and Alissa could have likely been a key contributing member of a National Championship team). 

++++++++++++++++++++++

It is interesting to see that whatever the problems were between her and Oklahoma... 
the USA jr team coach did not seem to care at all - and took her right back to the USA team (she had played the previous year).

It's good to see that she is contributing to the USA jr team. I hope she has a great career at UL.

HenryLouisAaron

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Just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the international game, banterguy.


(from banterguy)
<< To be fair it's only one game, granted Canada is 1-3 now, which doesn't bode well for them. Were they the number 3 team with Sara G, but they told her to play in the NPF, so they could hide her until the olympics, cause I feel she could get just as good of competition against the NPF field. 

Also perhaps the US & Japan are so dominant now, cause from 09-16 there was still the NCAA & Japan Pro League, whereas I haven't heard of a equivalent league in Canada (or Australia as well). I mean having a sport automatically be between two countries is actually pretty good, when you take into account that Men's & Womens Basketball, Woman's Gymnastics are sports of the top of my head where the USA could field a second team to go Gold & Silver, along with other sports like ping pong being dominated by the Chinese in both genders. 

I will say the one thing about competitiveness in softball for other countries is you don't have to be the best overall team to win gold in the olympics. In order to have a chance you need just one dominating pitcher & a competent #2. In 2008 during round play Japan lost 7-0 to the USA without Ueno pitching saving her for three games against, Canada, Australia, and China. She lost against the US in the first medal round game, but in the gold medal game was dominant. Even though Japan went 1-2 against the US they beat them when it mattered. 

I think Puerto Rico has a great chance of rising the rankings. Alvelo should only get better towards 2020 & Ocasio has proven to be a NCAA title pitcher. The strategy for any team not US & Japan, is to hope they play first. Whoever loses you throw your ace against, along with the ace pitching against 3 & 4. Then you hope that your number 2/staff can handle the 5,6,7 teams. Then nothing but your ace during the medal rounds. 

I think the fact that Americans can play for different countries could contribute to the competiveness to the sport. But really all you need to be competitive is a shut down pitcher to throw against the best teams, or even just the worse teams so you can rank 4th in pool play. If PR has Ocasio & Alvelo I would say they have a great chance. Last year at the world championships didn't Dallas Escobedo play for Mexico, if she plays for them in 2020 Mexico has a chance. Two teams that could give the US & Japan trouble, where as in Men's & Womens basketball, you need countries with 5 good players to be competitive, while in softball you just need one really good player. 

It's a shame for Canada that the period the olypmics were out, were out during Danielle Lawries prime. >> 


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<< Again, it would be more profitable IMO as an alumni league from seven schools (Perhaps UCLA, Arizona, Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan) with one best-of-the-rest team >> (3LT)

I had a version of this "Alumni team" idea awhile back. I'd love to see them let however many schools that could make a verified commitment to such a project... put together such a league. If they had 16 teams, each alumni team would play a five game series against every other team - for a 75 game schedule. Each team would travel just 7 or 8 times. One five game series per week - for a 15 week season that would begin right after the WCWS and end around the third week of September. The visiting teams could be put up by the home teams to help save money. 

I'd bet they would draw much bigger crowds than the NPF does...
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