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Softballjunkie223

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Oh ok lol
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I think Puerto Rico has the potential to be very good come Tokyo. Alvelo, Ocasio, and King is a pretty good starting spot for a pitching staff.
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I think Puerto Rico has the potential to be very good come Tokyo. Alvelo, Ocasio, and King is a pretty good starting spot for a pitching staff.


Who is number 11 on PR? She came in and didn't allow a run in their final game.
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I think Puerto Rico has the potential to be very good come Tokyo. Alvelo, Ocasio, and King is a pretty good starting spot for a pitching staff.


I was shocked Alvelo strugged in the game I watched.  And they didn't throw Ocasio at all (even more surprised that Ocasio didn't hit).  Granted it was only one game.
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I was shocked Alvelo strugged in the game I watched.  And they didn't throw Ocasio at all (even more surprised that Ocasio didn't hit).  Granted it was only one game.


       Alvelo 27 runs in 6 game (2 losses) with an era of 7.93
       The blonde girl Talcik from UMass Lowell was better.
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I heard during USA vs puetro rico that ocasio has some back problems.
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Ball hits the base - Dora the explorer says "foul ball!"


And I thought the WCWS was bad....at least the 50 fans in OKC got to see T-Ball level umpiring again.
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Yeah, Alvelo was not very good. I watched the USA game where they had the velocities and it looked like hers were down quite a bit, though I don't know why. I didn't watch her a ton, but from what I saw, she only really had one pitch working, her curve, and struggled finding the zone a lot.

She was definitely nervous for her international debut, and I think she is struggling to adjust to Flores calling the pitches. She had the same issue in the middle of the year last year at WA, when coach Roberts wasnt calling the pitches, her ERA exploded. From the Oregon series on, when Roberts started calling the pitches again, her ERA was 1.15 from then through the end of the regular season.

She obviously has to get comfortable with Flores calling the game, the international zone, and her nerves if she is going to be successful with PR. The PR defense also has to improve in general. I think she'll be fine. This is only one set of games and she is a great pitcher (just ask OR, UCLA or any of the other top 25 teams she beat last year, many repeatedly).
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Also, she is a big kid from up north who plays college in Seattle. 100 degrees with humidity for all those day games may have had a part in it too
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But maybe you can give us the roadmap of when Roberts has and hasn't been calling pitches for them up there the past two years
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Who is number 11 on PR? She came in and didn't allow a run in their final game.


    That was Kaysee Talcik the blonde hurler from
     UMass Lowell

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Yeah, Alvelo was not very good. I watched the USA game where they had the velocities and it looked like hers were down quite a bit, though I don't know why. I didn't watch her a ton, but from what I saw, she only really had one pitch working, her curve, and struggled finding the zone a lot. She was definitely nervous for her international debut, and I think she is struggling to adjust to Flores calling the pitches. She had the same issue in the middle of the year last year at WA, when coach Roberts wasnt calling the pitches, her ERA exploded. From the Oregon series on, when Roberts started calling the pitches again, her ERA was 1.15 from then through the end of the regular season. She obviously has to get comfortable with Flores calling the game, the international zone, and her nerves if she is going to be successful with PR. The PR defense also has to improve in general. I think she'll be fine. This is only one set of games and she is a great pitcher (just ask OR, UCLA or any of the other top 25 teams she beat last year, many repeatedly).


What is the International Zone? The plate umpiring looked as bad as what you might see in the NCAA. The only real difference is Barnhill is perfectly legal for a change.

And 3left makes a great point about her stamina. She is about as non athletic as they come. Be surprised to see her throwing effectively when humidity us up. 
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Yes, it looks like it was very hot in OKC.

This year, Roberts called the games in the PV challenge and then from the OR series on. In the middle, it was a combination of others calling pitches, including having the catcher call.

Last year, it was mixed. I didn't keep track of the exact breakdowns of who called which game.
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What is the International Zone? The plate umpiring looked as bad as what you might see in the NCAA. The only real difference is Barnhill is perfectly legal for a change.

And 3left makes a great point about her stamina. She is about as non athletic as they come. Be surprised to see her throwing effectively when humidity us up. 
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I should have put "international zone" in quotes I guess. In the games I watched, she was getting squeezed pretty hard was the point. Now, she didn't make good adjustments to that like she usually does and I think part of that is pitch calling, figuring out what will work with the zone of the day given the "stuff" of the day. I'm sure her and Flores will get better at that.

As far as her being unable to perform in humidity; I don't know about that. She gave up only 2 runs in 2 games in AL where it was in the mid 80s and humid as hell. It was also very humid in PV and she dominated Auburn and OK. At Utah, it was 90 and humid the first game of the regular season and she pitched a shutout. Her games against OR and UCLA in the WCWS were played with the relative humidity well above 80%. 

She isn't the best athlete but she's a pretty tough kid. She pitched 254 innings last year, the vast majority against top 25 teams. When she was with the Bandits, she pitched a game in OKC where it was 95 deg with 90% humidity. She pitched over 200 pitches, had to be taken out and given fluids and then came back in two innings later to hit the winning homerun. 

Her being a bigger kid will certainly affect her stamina but I think she'll get a lot better as her experience with her team and international softball grows.


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I've also noticed that with Alvelo that if her mechanics aren't right (or consistent), she can have trouble locating her Rise, either throwing it well above or leaving it in the zone, as well as throwing her Change into the dirt. High humidity can cause slippage, making it harder to spin the ball. When both her rise and change are working, she's very tough to hit. She's also a college sophomore (as is Flores) going up against national team batters, many in their mid-twenties. Hopefully, it was a good learning experience.
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Pitching 254 innings will wear anyone out. I bet she needs a break more than anything. King, Alvelo, and Ocasio could really help Puerto Rico in the coming years.
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Pitching 254 innings will wear anyone out. I bet she needs a break more than anything. King, Alvelo, and Ocasio could really help Puerto Rico in the coming years.


Who was the pitcher who threw 370 innings, all innings in the regional, super regional, WCWS and won the national championship?
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Who was the pitcher who threw 370 innings, all innings in the regional, super regional, WCWS and won the national championship?

That would be Taryne Mowatt in 07.

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That would be Taryne Mowatt in 07.


I'd put money on the fact Scupino knew that and just wanted someone else to point it out.
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No one recently. Lawrie had 353 in 2009

To be noted, Traina had 289 IP in 2012 and then a national team summer, and her numbers at Bama were not nearly as dominant IMO

And Escobedo, another bigun righty, threw 255 IP in 2011 as a frosh and then fell back to a degree
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Game really has changed since Mowatt pitched all those innings.  As hitters get better, some coach is going to realize to use several pitchers just like baseball.  Even the best in baseball seldom pitch a full game. Also you are correct about either wearing out or the batters adjust- Escobedo is a perfect example.  Myers tried it with Carlson this year and it didn't work.
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No one recently. Lawrie had 353 in 2009

To be noted, Traina had 289 IP in 2012 and then a national team summer, and her numbers at Bama were not nearly as dominant IMO

And Escobedo, another bigun righty, threw 255 IP in 2011 as a frosh and then fell back to a degree


"bigun" or "big gun"
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big-gun.... I like that
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"bigun" or "big gun"


Al Bundy's favorite magazine?

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big-gun.... I like that


heap big leaper...

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I've seen one picture (and posted it here), where she looked to be six inches off the ground.
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Leaping doesn't do jack squat compared with re-planting

But, yes, an illegality too.

The POINT was that Alvelo, Escobedo and Traina are somewhat similar in dimension
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Question: Does weight add to the inertial force of a throw? A lot of the most successful softball piitchers have been "big" girls.

The crow hop rule requires not just a replant, but also pushing off from the replant. Simply being able to reset the fulcrum, without a replant, might be just as advantageous as a replant (without a push off). For instance:

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A replant is cleats down (something needs to be rePLANTED into the ground). A leap into a drag like Escobedo id not a replant. And...NO advantage from the final push coming from 43 as opposed to 39 feet? Stop wasting time
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And... Jenny Finch is a TALL girl... but not my definition of a BIG girl
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A replant is cleats down (something needs to be rePLANTED into the ground). A leap into a drag like Escobedo id not a replant. And...NO advantage from the final push coming from 43 as opposed to 39 feet? Stop wasting time


The rule as written, however, requires both a replant and a push off to be an illegal crow hop. No push off; no crow hop. There is the confusing verbiage about "bearing weight" following a foot-drag (and both Lawrie's and Finch's drag feet are bearing weight). Where there is confusion about a rule, expect officials to default to the least onerous interpretation.

I agree that replanting, whether leaping or hopping, and bearing weight following a foot drag confer an advantage, shortening the distance to the plate, just not as much as if an obvious push-off follows (adding force to the pitch, increasing velocity or spin, from a shorter distance).

For either to be called, however, and they weren't in the WCWS, nor was leaping, which is clearly illegal, the rule needs to be clarified (that a hop is a leap, for instance, with no exceptions; and get rid of both the "push-off" and "bearing weight" language, for instance) and control over whether and how the rules are enforced needs to be taken back from the ESPN/SEC cartel. I'm, personally not holding my breath...

The only word that really matters here is "ka-ching".
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