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bama - In the 5th inning, the three kids I thought should be playing are collectively 8 at bats, 4 runs scored, 5 hits, and 5 runs batted in. Freeman with a dinger and 4 runs batted in. I still think that Salvarola is a shortstop who can play the outfield.  She was 2 for 3 with 2 runs scored and 1 run batted in by the 5th inning today. There is no space at second (where Eriksen has Savarola playing today) because Gibson has that position sewed up rightfully.  Frank

PS - The link takes me to the fifth inning and stops there.  It flashed 9-3 at one point and disappeared.  Arioto is doing a heckova job in the circle.  Up six I assume (whoops) that USA will win this.  I can't wait to see the lineup for the gold game.   Moore is rested.  

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I dont know how to figure this team, but i do know the best 8 who should be starting every game for this team in the field, i just wonder if Ken does?  Notice i didnt say best 9, i have no clue who can pitch.  Someone mentioned Michelle Smith should sign a one game contract, im not even laughing i would consider it if i was with ASA right now just to avoid seeing another meltdown by a pitcher. 

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The best pitcher was given an ultimatum and we're seeing the repercussions of that. Different game if Ricketts is in the circle.
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oops............almost posted the championship final score then I realizied it is on ESPN on tape delay.
Deleted it.


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Ronnie Isham deserves some of the 'credit' for the Japanese victories.
However I wonder if better talent was available for the USA piching squad but was not selected for various reasons.
Two of my favorite coaches had their college pitchers selected to the squad. Quasi-nepotism?

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I really hope the PTB, take a look at these losses and realize changes need to be made to this team, particularly in the circle. Gibson and Arioto can't do it all. Still in awe of that 280 ft home run by Gibson. Not a Tennessee fan at all, but I have always loved watching her play ball.
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Bama - What were Sara Nevins' number for the tourney?   I thought that she pitched rather well, especially in relief against Japan in the gold medal game (quite a few Ks).  Moore seemed to have trouble with movement - it could have been because the ball (Mizuno) used in the tourney is heavier than her collegiate ball.    Frank
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Bama - What were Sara Nevins' number for the tourney?   I thought that she pitched rather well, especially in relief against Japan in the gold medal game (quite a few Ks).  Moore seemed to have trouble with movement - it could have been because the ball (Mizuno) used in the tourney is heavier than her collegiate ball.    Frank


Nevins only gave up 2 earned runs, so yes she pitched well. I was referring to the others. When Arioto pitches better than one of your starters, that is trouble. I didn't see all of the game tonight so I don't know how Moore did tonight. Regardless of how her try-out went Sam Fischer needs to be on the team. Her experience from last year would be very valuable. Plus, she was pretty clutch too.
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Bama - In the Gold Medal game against Japan, Moore pitched 3.2 innings.  She gave up 10 hits, 2 walks, and 6 runs.  Nevins pitched 3.1 innings and gave up 2 hits, 1 walk, and 0 runs while striking out 6.    
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One thing I hear all the time around the travel ball and high school fileds is, DADDY BALL!  Well, seeing the roster filled with the coaching staff's players makes me wonder if we have taken it to a whole new level.  Seriously, no matter who is selected for Team USA we would probably finish no worse than 2nd anyway (especially when there are only 5 teams in the tourney).  I think the coaches are smart enough to know this and figured they could help their recruiting at their University while still putting a top 2 team on the field.  Also, I am very ineterested to see if USA softball stands by the "contract" that this team signed or will they rip up the contracts and maybe field the best players available, regardless if they are playing NPF or not!  Just win baby!  One other thing, I'm tired of hearing how young we are!  Hawkins/Chamberlain are young, most of the other players are seniors in college or have already finished college for a year or so.  Japans players eat, sleep, and breathe the game of softball.  Sometimes they are their worst enemy and overtrain past the point of exhaustion and injure themselves.  I'm not saying we must do the same, but that type of mentality seems to be working for them!       
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zone - I don't want to rewrite what I wrote in another thread, but consider what has happened in the divisive nature of what is now Female Fastpitch in the USA.  How do you think we would have done with Osterman, Abbott, and name another excellent pitcher from the Pro League in the circle?  Add folks like Watley, Kretschman, and several other Olympians, and it's a whole different ballgame.  Our coaches are forced by nature of the current fastpitch situation, to coach players who are not the best in the nation, but they are very good.        

 You mentioned a form of nepotism.  The coaches went with the best players on their collegiate teams who excelled in tryouts and they became some of the best players on the international team that just won silver. It's what the coaches knew as opposed to a "maybe".  Accusations of advantages in recruiting are outright silly as these coaches are away from recruiting too much to be effective recruiters, that disadvantage covered only by the name recognition that goes along with the demanding job. I laughed out loud today when Smitty congratulated Coach Eriksen on his wedding anniversary, and he lamented on TV, "Yah, she hates me".  On his anniversary he was far away from his family and coaching Team USA, and he is an avid family man. It's not all peaches and cream and incoming goodies for the coaches !!  As for nepotism, Coach Eriksen of South Florida brought two players to tryouts where they excelled.  In the tourney just completed the pitcher had the best numbers of any pitcher on the staff, and the shortstop- 2nd baseman fielded wonderfully and hit (approximately) .600 for the tourney.  Nepotism?  I think not !!  Just the best players available.  Off the top of my head, I can think of only three roster spots that were filled by players or pitchers (actually two pitchers, one the PAC 10 pitcher of the year, and the other the top pitcher in the Big East) and the first team Big East shortstop who was an unanimous choice and who was a former junior USA National team player.  I think these were the only choices from the coaches' collegiate teams, hardly nepotism except in the most remote sense (they knew each other).       Frank 

PS - One of my favorite players is Sam Fischer (out of LMU)  by virtue both of personality and athletic prowess.  I too wondered why she didn't make this team.  In all tryouts there are a few "untouchables" who make the team because of or despite their tryout. No one ever thought of cutting Lisa Fernandez after a "tryout" session, even if she went 0 for 10 with 8 strikeouts and made two errors at third.  She had much too much "money in the bank".   For this team I would guess that only K. Ricketts wore that mantle. Word on the street is that Sam Fischer had just about as bad a tryout as one could have, for whatever reason, and thus was not placed onto the team. She simply didn't have enough money in the bank to cash this very  bad check, especially when others at her position were having outstanding tryouts.  Bad time to have a bad spell.  It happens.

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Japan has 4 starters that are 18 years old and one that is 19. They are kids mixed in with seasoned vets.
The starting pitcher for japan in gold medal game was 18 years old and she pitched 2 innings giving up 1 run (after she was up 5-0).

Canada looked horrible against USA yet they beat Japan, Australia twice, and did not need to come back against Puerto rico.
Japan finished 4-1 (gold) USA 3-2 (silver) Canada 4-1 (bronze) Australia 1-4, Puerto Rico 0-4

We got spoiled seeing the usa year after year with lights out pitching. Power pitching racking up the strike outs vs international competiton and getting shutouts most times. Even last year.
The tourney started that way with usa winning 7-0 and then 4-0.
I am not going to get down on the young USA pitchers. Moore will realize international batters are not Arizona state or Utah....all of them are all-stars for their country. There are no easy hitters in international play.
And Japan , Australia and Canada threw youngsters too as well as their vets. Next year these pitchers will have world cup and Canada cup under their belts.
Also to be fair--if we point to pitching being less than great for usa and their reason for losing to japan twice look at Canada. They beat japan and Australia played them to 1 run with less than great pitching. So if they had great pitching maybe they win it all too. Same deal as USA. Ifg Puerto rico had better pitching they go up 3-0 and maybe hold on.

So our south florida coach and his pitcher and player and Oregon coach with his pitcher and player need to grow and learn from this and move on to next tourney and be better next time.
And the weekly haters can blame it on Karen weekly being an assistant coach.
The south park fans can blame Canada.
Maybe blame them for not getting sam fischer back. Her intangibles made her great for the team.
I look to the future and dutch team, china, and others making sure we have 8 teams in these tourneys to impress the ioc (if not 2020 then for 2024). Netherlands and china had good showings in Yukon last year in Canada for world championships. And a more polished team usa. I want to see that energy and comradery we saw last year. A great team not just a team full of current and just graduated college all-stars.


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2013 WOMEN'S NATIONAL TEAM


Valerie Arioto
California - 2012

Raven Chavanne
Tennessee - 2013
 
 
Lauren Chamberlain
Oklahoma - Jr.
 
 

Amanda Chidester
Michigan - 2012

Aimee Creger
Tulsa - Sr.
 

Amber Freeman
Arizona State - Jr.

Lauren Gibson
Tennessee - 2013

Taylor Hoagland
Texas - 2013

Nicole Hudson
Missouri - 2013

Destinee Martinez
Oklahoma - Sr.

Jessica Moore
Oregon - 2013

Michelle Moultrie
Florida - 2012
 
Sara Nevins
South Florida - Sr.



Cheridan Hawkins
Oregon - Soph. 

Kourtney Salvarola
South Florida - Sr.

Rhea Taylor
Missouri - 2011 
  
Taylor Thom
Texas - Sr.

Lindsey Ziegenhirt
California - 2013
 

Head Coach: Ken Eriksen (Tampa, Fla./head coach South Florida) Asst. Coaches: Laura Berg (Corvalis, Ore./head coach Oregon State), Suzy Brazney (Huntington Beach, Calif./head coach Golden West College), Howard Dobson (Orange, Texas/assistant coach LSU), Karen Weekly (Edmonds, Wash./co-head coach Tennessee), Mike White (Eugene, Ore./head coach Oregon)


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zone - I don't want to rewrite what I wrote in another thread, but consider what has happened in the divisive nature of what is now Fastpitch in the USA.  How do you think we would have done with Osterman, Abbott, and name another excellent pitcher from the Pro League in the circle?  Add folks like Watley, Kretschman, and several other Olympians, and it's a whole different ballgame.  Our coaches are forced by nature of the current fastpitch situation, to coach players who are not the best in the nation, but they are very good.        

 You mentioned a form of nepotism.  The coaches went with the best players on their collegiate teams who excelled in tryouts and they became some of the best players on the international team that just won silver. It's what they knew as opposed to "maybe".  Accusations of advantages in recruiting are outright silly as these coaches are away from recruiting too much to be effective recruiters, that disadvantage covered only by the name recognition that goes along with the demanding job. I laughed out loud today when Smitty congratulated Coach Eriksen on his wedding anniversary, and he lamented on TV, "Yah, she hates me".  On his anniversary he was far away from his family and coaching Team USA, and he is an avid family man. It's not all peaches and cream and incoming goodies for the coaches !!  As for nepotism, Coach Eriksen of South Florida brought two players to tryouts where they excelled.  In the tourney just completed the pitcher had the best numbers of any pitcher on the staff, and the shortstop, 2nd baseman fielded wonderfully and hit (approximately) .600 for the tourney.  Nepotism?  I think not !!  Just the best players available.       Frank 
  

Frank>> I understand your loyalty to Coach Eriksen as he is more than just a coach to you, he is a friend.  Yes, he must coAch and play the hand he is dealt; However, I would suggest that the Jr Olympic SS from Michigan or the girl from LMU last year (Sam???) or Shipman (Tenn) or ULL's could/would have filled the role very nicely.  The 2 from USF played very well.  As for the stats, well lets just say if I had to pick two games to bat in I would have picked (Australia over Canada) and (Puerto Rico over Japan-Ueno).  Sometimes the game in which you get to swing can determine how well you are hitting.  Also, being on TV all summer long having Michelle Smith mention your great new stadium and great weather can't hurt recruiting!  If they were able to work out something and bring in the NPF rosters, how many on the current USA roster do you think would still be under contract?
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zone - I understand what you are saying about the beautiful softball stadium and the great weather at University of South Florida.  I also understand that their softball coach just signed a longevity package and that he is the coach of our USA National Team.  Now, all that said, do I think it's a good place to recruit to??  Absolutely.  

When I had advanced cancer about 10 years ago and truly thought that I was a dead man walking, Ken Eriksen and his then assistant Stacey Heinz were very kind to me.  I shall never forget their kindness.  Do I have a bias?  Obviously.  Such good people deserve a bias.  

Frank

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Japan starting pitcher 18 yrs. old. She pitched 2 innings
Relief pitcher for her was 19 yrs, old. She pitched the final 5 innings.
It was mentioned that Team japan wants to get all the youngsters tourney experience in prep for 2020 Olympics (optimistic that both japan gets the 2020 Olympics and softball/baseball are selected as a sport ).

Also note--Moore gave up 4 runs in 4th due to a dropped ball by Rhea taylor with 2 outs.
Two runs scored on the drop and then the next batter knocked in 2 with a double.


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The USA team I watched this week was unrecognizable.  It was poorly coached, didn't hit well, didn't run the bases well and had defensive mistakes galore.  It would appear that the ASA's hard stance with the NPF has taken its toll and we're now being stuck with young teams that don't perform well. 

This was not a case of other teams improving to the level of the USA team, it was a case of the USA team lowering its standards and playing down to the level of others.  In fact, the Japanese team didn't look sharp this week.  Hitting against the no-name USA pitchers was their advantage.

Alas, this may actually work well for getting softball back in the Olympics.  If the USA team doesn't appear to dominate any more then the rest of the world will be more friendly to the idea of having it in the Olympics. 

Is this by design?
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Charlie - By design? - No my cynical friend, but a flow chart might support your view that everything in our international softball program is second rate to what was possible in yesteryear - but has been rendered impossible currently. I too saw the "rookie" mistakes but no amount of coaching can eliminate plays made or not made by virtue of experience or talent. In college, Raven Chavanne, a fine softball player, would have been safe at second with a double in the 7th with USA down 3 runs, but this is one step up, and they gun her down in what, at this level is considered a horrible base running error.  I'm sure that the coaches hope that she learned.   Having no experience at this level can create such mental mistakes, even with the best young players.  This team has been together for about a week and one half before this tournament  (with a philosophy to #1 build program, and # 2 push for the gold while #3 assessing character and talent).                              

 I do think that you were stung by"your girl" not making the team (you have a huge emotional investment there), and you seem to be lashing out at those who did. I too did not see on this team Osterman, Abbott, Finch, Galati, and another top level pitcher from the pro league, Watley, Kretschman, and many others, former Olympians and top level collegiate stars. Hell, I didn't even see K. Ricketts out there.  Because I did not attend practices or the tryouts, I cannot comment on the level of teaching (coaching) that went on there.  I did see a coach on the field who handled his players and game situations very well and who corrected mental and physical mistakes as they happened.

Don't expect in the future the USA Teams of Fernandez, Osterman, Abbott, Finch,and their outstanding supporting casts.  Who can forget Athens? Who can forget the money and practice time available then?  Who can forget when the pool of players included all the very best that USA had to offer except for a couple who opted for Japan and the bucks there after a few gold medals.   It is absolutely a different fastpitch world out there for USA and ASA these days .  You are absolutely correct.  Japan is not that much better; rather the teams representing USA are diminished in talent by other playing possibilities that pay real dollars and have "pro" in front of their names.  The discipline and technique of that 18 year old pitcher for Japan shined through her pitching effort.  Our culture doesn't stress that discipline and commitment to the general good.  We didn't see Ueno in the gold game.  Maybe all that status in fastpitch will change if USA becomes tired of taking the silver, and then, as in basketball, the pros will play in international competition.  Don't hold your breathe.     Frank

PS - One of those "no name" pitchers (Nevins)  threw 3.1 innings in the gold game loss to Japan.  She gave up 2 hits, one walk, No (that would be zero) runs and struck out 6 hitters in 3 innings.  Actually, one of those no names (Moore) was the outstanding pitcher in the PAC 10 this past collegiate season, and the other one (the one I write about) was the outstanding pitcher in the Big East.  By "no name" I assume you mean  they didn't pitch for Loyola Marymount.  Tch, tch.

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USA still beat Canada by run rule 7-0 and Australia 4-0. The no names still shut the 3rd and 4th best teams in the world out.
USA only lost to the team that beat them in world championships last year. This year Japan beat them with the veteran pitcher AND the 18 year old no name pitcher and 19 year old no name pitcher.
USA also lost to japan in gold medal game in 2008 with it's best players on the field. Basically their only losses have been to japan in last 5 years--once in round robin and 3 times in championship.

I agree team usa is not crisp and the pitching is not lights out but the only team they did not dominate this weekend was japan and japan did not spank anyone but the usa. They lost to Canada and played close in other games. Imagine conversations with team Canada this weekend. They beat japan but got run ruled 7-0 by a team usa squad without lights out pitching. They did face Nevins who pitched a great tourney. Canada went 4-1 in the tourney but because they couldn't get 1 run on usa they didn't get into championship game and played 8 innings vs Australia for the bronze. 3-way Tie breaker lost to usa by 1 run.

Japan was playing 5 teenagers so they weren't going to be as crisp as past either. Their young pitchers came thru in Canada last week and in usa this week. Not like they are playing in front of friendly crowd as they are ocean away from home and fans. But they had flag waving man who waved the Japanese flag from the first pitch to thru last pitch during every one of their games.


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wonderif anyone has the college STATS of the team USA ??????
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Charlie - By design - No, but a flow chart might support your view that everything in our international softball program is second rate to what was possible in yesteryear  but has been rendered impossible currently. I too saw the "rookie" mistakes but no amount of coaching can eliminate plays made or not made by virtue of experience or talent. This team has been together for about a week and one half before this tournament.   I do think that you were stung by"your girl" not making the team, and you seem to be lashing out at those who did. I too did not see on this team Osterman, Abbott, Finch, and another top level pitcher from the pro league, Watley, Kretschman, and many others, former Olympians and top level collegiate stars. Hell, I didn't even see Ricketts out there.  Because I did not attend practices or the tryouts, I cannot comment on the level of teaching (coaching) that went on there.  I did see a coach on the field who handled his players and game situations very well and who corrected mental and physical mistakes as they happened.

Don't expect the USA Teams of Fernandez, Osterman, Abbott, Finch,and their outstanding supporting casts.  Who can forget Athens? Who can forget the money and practice time available then?  Who can forget when the pool of players included all the very best that USA had to offer except for a couple who opted for Japan and the bucks there after a few gold medals.   It is absolutely a different fastpitch world out there for USA and ASA these days .  You are absolutely correct.  Japan is not that much better; rather the teams representing USA are diminished in talent by other playing possibilities that pay real dollars and have "pro" in front of their names.     Frank

PS - One of those "no name" pitchers (Nevins)  threw 3.1 innings in the gold game loss to Japan.  She gave up 2 hits, one walk, No (that would be zero) runs and struck out 6 hitters in 3 innings.  Actually, one of those no names (Moore) was the outstanding pitcher in the PAC 10 this past collegiate season, and the other one (the one I write about) was the outstanding pitcher in the Big East.  By "no name" I assume you mean  they didn't pitch for Loyola Marymount.  Tch, tch.  


Frank,

I think you and I are in agreement.  I was just comparing the past 7 year's competition in the World Cup to past year's edition.  I expect they all had the same amount of "together time" as the current year.   I'm not really "stung" by Fischer not being on the team.  Chidister and Gibson are worthy home run hitters (what happened to Chamberlain?).  You know I'd always choose power over speed any day.  Speed can set the plate but it has a hard time overcoming big deficits.  One pitching mistake to a big hitter loses the game.  A pitcher can make mistakes to a speedster when backed up by a world class infield.

We had insight into coaching this year with him using a microphone.  I'd say his motivational techniques were less than inspirational.  He was very gentle and showed little sense of urgency. I can see doing that with a college freshman, but these are hand picked, best players we can field and they need some "in your face" sense of urgency coaching.  Tommy Lasorda style.  Telling them to play hard and fast just isn't something that gets the juices flowing.   He's more like an elderly grandfather which may work over a long period of time, but he doesn't have that time.  It seemed to me that he was afraid to hurt their feelings.  I want a coach that's afraid to put the mic on.

The Ricketts thing just shows how poorly managed the ASA is, something I've said on this forum for more than 9 years now.  It's a shame that the ASA has anything to do with USA softball.  We all lose when the ASA is involved.
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When LMU called them "no name" pitchers I took it to mean they were not the household names of women's softball. The only household name out there for international softball fans was ueno of japan. The majority of the pitchers for all teams, including japan, were youth. Japan had youngest ones at 18 and 19 and the oldest one at 31. The pitchers in gold medal game for japan were 18 and 19.


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fhoenix,

You are correct.  I wasn't saying that the USA pitchers aren't talented, I was just saying that they weren't household names.  As to their talent, I think the number of runs given up will make that statement for me.
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I realize that the USA lost the gold in 2008. Is this year's Team Japan the same team from 2008? If not, then I stand by my statement that Abbott and Osterman would've won the games in the circle. I too was shocked to Raven thrown out at 2nd, but I can guarantee it won't happen again because she is too good to make the same mistake twice. I also believe having mostly rookie catchers made a difference in pitching. How many of these girls call games in college? I guess I'm just ticked off at ASA for trying to bully Ricketts into a long term commitment as well as their stance on the pro league players. Hopefully, if softball makes it into the Olympics we will once again see the best players from the US on our teams, instead of a watered down version.
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If Osterman and Abbott were playing for team usa softball would have 0% chance to come back to Olympics and last year would not have seen a growth in teams.
This happened in women's hockey.

The IOC told them that if it the sport did not pick up worldwide it would be cut. USA and Canada were the only 2 teams fighting it out for gold and silver and the other teams got crushed.
The usa and Canada girls have 20X the budget the others have plus their girls play in college and not just hockey clubs. Hockey is the sport of Canada and America is right behind them in it now.
There are more than 75,000 registered female hockey players in Canada, 66,000 in the U.S. In China, there are just 166; 21 of whom comprise the Chinese National team. Women's hockey has been an Olympic sport since the 1998 Nagano games. I mentioned china because they had the 3rd most registerd women hockey players. USa has more women hockey players in Minnesota than all of china.

8 teams in 2010 for women's Olympic hockey.
In just 5 games Canada score 48 goals and gave up 2 (13-1 win, 18-0 win, 10-1 win in group play and 5-0 in semi and 2-0 over usa in the final which was the only competitive match)
In just 5 games USA scored 40 goals and gave up 4 (13-0 win, 6-1 win, 12-1 win in group paly and 9-0 and 0-2 loss to Canada in finals--their only loss of tourney).
North America is hockey town. 88 goals scored and only 6 given up (average 8 goals per hockey game and give basically 1 goal every other game).
The other teams complained. Basically they cannot send their girls to usa colleges to play hockey and they cannot afford to keep the team going when women's hockey is not very popular for participants or fans worldwide and even in America who here has went to a women's hockey game besides myself? So if other nations are going to stop fielding teams the IOC is not going to leave the sport in just so usa and Canada can have women hockey teams and battle each other for the gold medal. The Olympics they said are about world wide competition in a sport. Barely 8 teams able to field hockey teams is nopt good. USA and Canada have sent some of their top players and former players and coaches around to these other countries and set up camps etc....they are investing time and money in foreign hockey programs to get them to be better.
There is no olympic glory for team usa and team Canada if the other 6 nations drop women's hockey which they said they would do if the next years events were blowouts....and ioc said they would drop the sport as an Olympic sport if no growth in the sport worldwide.

Total domination in an international team sport is not good for the sport and it won't be around long internationally.
Olympics are about world competiton not world domination.


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Team usa requires a 2 year commitment which is how they lost rickets and some of the others who signed NPF.
They are not going to have girls dedicate and work hard then let others just walk up and play. This team can win.

Taylor drops a fly ball with 2 outs and Japan scores 2 runs then 2 more from next batter. Take away those 4 runs and it is 3-2 victory USA (go back in time and have her catch the ball instead of getting oysterman and abbott and usa wins). Nevins pitched great the entire tourney and gave up no runs. She shut out a Canada team that beat Japan and finished tourney 4-1.

Team USa will be fine. Nevins will rock. the difference is this bunch is not as powerful as previous teams and does not have the lights out pitch that others had so they CANNOT afford to make so many mistakes running, fielding, and pitching. They can't make up for them like past teams. They actually have to compete start to finish. 2 losses to japan is not end of the world. Loses to Australia and they need to tweek heavily. Loss to Puerto rico and they need to go back to square 1 and start over with picking the team. Japan uses 5 teens so usa will be fine

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I wasn't saying that the USA pitchers aren't talented, I think the number of runs given up will make that statement for me.
If you are talking about earned runs, then I agree.

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I really don't think the comments about Eriksen and staff are warranted.   These guys (and Berg) had very little time with these players.   Do you really think they are going to do drills showing the players how to position the glove while closing raplidly on a dying quail hit to left field?   Or go over 12U drills about not voluntarily running into a possible out when the ball is hit in front of the runner?  Or reminding the players to not risk an out stretching for an additional base when that additional base (and that runner's run) MEANS NOTHING to the outcome of the game?

LMU -- I like Eriksen's approach with the players that we heard via the microphone.   The worst thing you can do with inexperienced international competition players is to cause them to press too hard, which I think they were already doing.   Some of the fielding and base running errors no doubt occurred because of the stress of the situation.  A gentle hand is/was needed.  Better to tell them to relax, focus, and enjoy the ride.   Fewer errors that way.

Bottom line is that these were by and large extremely inexperienced players to ISF softball, and the coaching staff played the hand dealt to them as best as anyone could have.

LMU -- I agree, better to come down hard on ASA and their team selection protocols, and to question why USA Softball (Isham, Radigonda, et. al.), and ASA, are one and the same.

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In case anyone has forgotten, the NPF taking players away from Team USA issue was not caused by Team USA/ASA.   Here is an excerpt from a report in 2011:

"As players, we have tried to play with both the U.S. national team and the NPF,” Mendoza wrote. “But as in any endeavor, you cannot make something the best unless you give it 110 percent.

“As much as I want to see softball return to the Olympic Games, there is something this sport needs even more: an opportunity for women to play softball for a living. Not as a side job. Not just recreationally.

“I have seen more and more women in other sports create opportunities to play for a living. My dream now is to create these same opportunities for every young softball player out there.”

Mendoza says that the decision-making process that she and her national team teammates went through was gut-wrenching. They’ve loved representing their country. They love USA Softball.

But they are happy to be blazing a new trail.

NPF owners are happy, too, to say the least."

The bottom line is that if Team USA is ever to field the best players the USA has to offer, Team USA, NPF, and players playing professionally in Japan will have to figure out a way for all parities to win.   Team USA is not in a position to demand exclusivity.  Neither is NPF, but then again it wasn't NPF that took that position, it was the ex-Olympic players themselves.

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