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fhoenix

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Starts this Thursday July 11

Top 4 teams in the world (USA, Japan, Australia, Canada), and Puerto Rico
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--Excited for international softball.
--Bummed I can't get back to OKC again so soon after the Women's college world series.
--Disappointed that there are only 5 teams competing. With a vote to add softball to Olympics looming it doesn't look good to only have the top 4 teams plus 1 other for your international event.

Oh well.......Let the games begin tomorrow. It will be great softball!!

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Yeah, only having 5 teams for the World Cup doesn't bode well for the Olympic vote.  Looks like wrestling will be voted back in and softball, along with it's anchor baseball, will be left out.


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Big news from Tuesday... Australia beats the US 2-0 in a practice match. First victory for the Aussies over the US since the preliminary rounds of the 2000 Sydney Olympics. (The US went on to eliminate Australia in the Bronze medal match on their way to the Gold).

Here is an article from Softball Australia: http://www.softball.org.au/newsitem.asp?id=34969

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Lead up to the US World Cup of Softball VIII

10 July 2013

On their arrival in Oklahoma City in preparation for the US World Cup of Softball VIII, the Australian Open Women’s Team, Aussie Spirit, has sent a warning to rival countries with a 2-0 victory over the US in a practice game on Tuesday.  This is the first time since the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games that the Australian Team has achieved such a result.

 

Aimee Murch (ACT) and Kaia Parnaby (NSW) both pitched 4 innings for only 1 hit. Jodie Bowering (Qld) hit a home run in the first innings and safe hits were accomplished by Belinda White (SA), Chelsea Forkin (WA), Clare Warwick (ACT) and Leigh Godfrey (WA). Georgia Casey (NSW) got to second base after a dropped fly, with Jodie Bowering executing a sacrifice bunt allowing Casey to get to 3rd base. Decisively, Michelle Cox (NSW) enabled Casey to score on an infield hit.

 

Although it was a practice game, the US used all four pitchers in trying to establish dominance but from the outset the Spirit was able to take the ascendancy and retained momentum for the duration of the match. Head Coach Kere Johanson was pleased with the result, stating “the team climbed a big hill today and the best skill they developed was a mental skill”.

 



So we used all 4 of our pitchers???? Who is the ace - Nevins? I wonder if this was a game to get the kinks out or a sign of how the World Cup and Canada Cup will go for the US this year???

ETA: Just saw that the Aussies shut out Japan 5-0 during Wednesday's practice match. I doubt Ueno pitched for Japan, but shutting down USA and Japan in consecutive games is impressive... wonder if this will carry over into games that actually count...

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USA beat Canada 7-0 in 6 innings.
Nevins went 5 innings and got the win. Moore finished up.

Japan beat Australia 3-2.
Ueno got the win.

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Yeah, only having 5 teams for the World Cup doesn't bode well for the Olympic vote.  Looks like wrestling will be voted back in and softball, along with it's anchor baseball, will be left out.




Interesting point made during the US/Canada game.  If Tokyo gets the Olympic bid, does that bode well for softball and baseball?  Especially since Japan is the defending softball Olympic champs.  I imagine if Istanbul gets the bid then it'll be wrestling winning the IOC vote.
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ESPN and ESPN2 schedule for World Cup play by USA.  Times Eastern:

Friday -       8PM  vs. Australia     ESPN

Saturday -       5AM  vs. Australia     ESPN2
                     9PM  vs. Japan          ESPN

Sunday -         1PM  vs. Puerto Rico   ESPN
                     9PM  World Cup final   ESPN2  

Good fortune Team USA !!!        







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Yeah, only having 5 teams for the World Cup doesn't bode well for the Olympic vote.  Looks like wrestling will be voted back in and softball, along with it's anchor baseball, will be left out.




Interesting point made during the US/Canada game.  If Tokyo gets the Olympic bid, does that bode well for softball and baseball?  Especially since Japan is the defending softball Olympic champs.  I imagine if Istanbul gets the bid then it'll be wrestling winning the IOC vote.


I believe that the host team can add any single sport as a "demonstration sport."  It can choose to add softball or baseball if they would like to do so.  But that demonstration sport only gets in for that Olympics.

But Tokyo getting the Olympics doesn't change the dynamics much.  Japan only gets one vote in September and the rest of the voters would still have to be convinced to include softball/baseball.


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I see no one hit a home run their first at bat in an Olympic uniform last night.  Still wondering why Fischer, who did hit a home run her first at bat, was left off.


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Charlie - Must have been a bad tryout, something like lots of at bats without a hit and mostly  strikeouts while competitors for the same position excelled.  She also could have been injured or played poorly in the field.  It happens.  
We all know she is delightful and a player, but a tryout result, especially a very bad one,  can be the difference between being chosen and not chosen.  Granted in certain tryouts there are "untouchables" but in this tryout I think only Ricketts had that label.  Maybe Chamberlain.  Check with Fischer if you see her.  I would bet that she had a very bad tryout because that's all, in my mind, that could have kept her off the team.   
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Tonight  was all about Jessica Moore of Oregon whose one hitter full game shutout was enough, along with Tennessee's Lauren Gibson's two run single for Team USA to defeat Australia 4-0.  Kourtney Salvarola of South Florida at shortstop put on a dazzling defensive show with two circus plays and several routine ones for USA now 2-0.   Tomorrow USA faces the ever dangerous Japan squad.
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Canada played twice Friday beating Puerto Rico 13-3 in 4 innings and beating Japan 2-1 with a score in bottom of the 7th.
Both starters in that game did not pitch even 5 innings and neither got the win or loss. Plourde of Canada with the win---Okamura of japan with the loss. 

Saturday--If Australia beats Canada and USA beats japan we have Australia, japan, and Canada all with 2 losses and only common loss being USA and common win being Puerto Rico.


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phoenix - Sounds like everybody is pointing to the gold medal game.  Strange setup where one game wins it all. Big impact on pitcher selection.  Go gettum USA !!     Frank
PS - Seems as though the choice of softball type limits the long ball.  According to Smitty. it also makes spins more difficult for pitchers.  It sounds as though it favors the team with the best small game and the freshest #1 pitcher in the game for the gold.  
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Yup....
Round robin tourneys are all about doing just enough to make to championship game. USA lineup is full of current and former collegiate all-stars top to bottom and in the circle. Vet teams like japan play to make championship game but the loss to Canada means a loss to usa in round robin play and they are not in championship game. My daughter wants to see USA vs JApan in championship game. She doesn't care who wins the round robin game. She wants USA to beat japan in championship game. Yea she remembers USA losing only 1 game in Olympics (gold medal game to japan) and losing 1 game last year as they went 15-1 in international play (lost world championships gold medal game to japan).

USA colleges consistently produce the top pitchers and players in the world year in and year out (Look at the American college players on Australia and Canada past and present). So we don't rebuild we reload.
Last year I heard how team usa was going to be be in trouble because the Olympians and other top players declined to play. Didn't need them. And before someone says they lost championship in Canada realize the Olympians lost to that same team too in their last game. Scored lots of runs and gave up a few (many shut outs and run rule games last season. Now with a mostly different team we have same results. Great pitching, timely hitting, a run rule game, and both were shut outs. Business as usual at world cup in okc. I am an ou sooner and like rickets but the team usa train rolls on without her. Team did without monica and cat so they can survive anyone leaving to pursue their career and take care of themselves and their family.  I remember reading the Brittney mack blog about how season ended and everyone was headed back to their jobs, careers, coaching, broadcasting and pro ball in japan. So I wish them all well....but I support whomever puts on the red, white and blue for team usa softball. I also pull for international teams to keep it close and competitive.


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on a side note....
After seeing all the teams in world championships in Canada last year I was hoping to see many of them in okc with this and Canada next week being the last 2 tourneys before ioc votes for 2020 Olympics sport to add.
Netherlands and china had good showings in Canada. A field of 8 in okc would have been great (and we don't field a usa futures women softball team since team usa now is a futures team as the top are playing pro).
Hope to see these teams in Canada next week

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Top of the first and this game appears to be over.....
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Funny how ESPN isn't making a big deal out of USA picking pitches but when it was done in the CWS everyone was up in arms!!! All good teams do it!!! Amateurs only complain!
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Japan plays all phases of the game well.  Few, if any, mistakes, physical or mental.  That one inning when every ground ball found a hole was the killer.  Well, there is tomorrow and the gold medal game.  Good fortune USA.  
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Stuck on the road. What's the score? How is the game "over"? Who's pitching for us and who's pitching for Japan, please?
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Japan scored three in the top of first. With Ueno pitching for Japan that was going to be a big hill to climb.
Current score 6-2 Japan
USA started Creger, she gave up a leadoff HR, a single, and a double, before being relievd by Hawkins. A wild pitch and passed ball led to two more runs. Hawkins appeared to settle down for a couple innings then Nevins came in and Japan scored 3 more.
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2run HR for Chidester to make it 6-4 in the bottom of 5
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Final score 7-4 Japan
Most runs scored against team USA since 1983

I thought team japan was mostly veteran. Their battery is but they have 4 eighteen year olds and 1 nineteen year old starting. Those 5 came down from playing in jr. in Canada last week as did Hawkins.


Canada beat Australia 2-0.
This means----
Canada and japan are both 3-1 and usa is 2-1 playing Puerto Rico (0-3) to go 3-1 and look at the tie breaker.
Tie breaker is runs scored against with teams tied with.
Canada 8, USA 7, Japan 6..........this means USA win over Puerto Rico and they are in gold medal game.....so unless Puerto Rico pulls a miracle on ice move it will be USA vs Japan sunday night for the gold.
And Canada can curse not scoring at least 1 run against usa.





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Japan scored three in the top of first. With Ueno pitching for Japan that was going to be a big hill to climb. Current score 6-2 Japan USA started Creger, .
I've been watching softball pretty closely for the past seven or so years, so .... how is it the USA starts a pitcher I've maybe heard of once, and never actually seen pitch?  While Ueno, one of the great pitchers of all time, whom I've seen pitch at least ten times... is in the circle for Japan?

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Thank you SO much for the updates! Did we score those 4 runs against Ueno?! As for the question of why Creger vs. Ueno, I've never seen Erickson "show his ace" in round robin play if it wasn't necessary.
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Dunnin - While winning is really great, we must remember that program building for the future  with this very young team  is often the reason for lineups for USA this year.  I do believe that the gold game will see the best lineup and best pitching choice for USA,  At least I think and hope so so !!     LOL     Frank 
PS - Ueno didn't look like the Ueno I've seen in the past. She was hittable.  Tired? 

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Anyone following the game vs Puerto Rico?  If they dont come back how will you feel about ASA softball? How bad is it when Arioto has to pitch because you dont trust anyone else on the staff? 
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I think Coach Erickson was trying to give some girls some time off in this game, but so far it has backfired. No disrespect to Creger, but in her two outings she has not looked good. I think Moore is probably the ace followed by Nevins, then Hawkins. No Gibson, Chavanne, or Moultrie in this game. It's hard to believe Chamberlain is hitless until just now. Should the USA make it to the gold medal game, I hope Erickson starts Moore. Personally, I would like to see a line-up of Moultrie, Chavanne, Gibson, Chidester, Arioto, Hudson, Chamberlain, Hoagland, Thom with Moore in the circle. We'll see what happens though.
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entry - I agree with all except two of the starting lineup you propose. I was impressed with Freeman behind the plate and Salvarola at shortstop. Also I would question the absence of Thomas' speed.   I would go with Nevins against PR with Hawkins in the hole, and use Moore in the gold medal game with Nevins in the hole - there's no tomorrow.  I've said all this, of course, without attending one practice, so my validity is limited.      Frank  
PS - Are USA vs. Puerto Rico playing?   Nothing on ESPN (rain delay).  If anyone knows anything, please report.  I understand program building, but it's win or go home time.  Are there any injuries or "sore arms" among the pitchers?  

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Yes. Live stats here
http://www.pointstreak.com/baseball/flash/index.html?gameid=160077
USA up 5-3
Not televised due to rain delay. It was scheduled for earlier.
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entry - I agree with all except two of the starting lineup you propose.  Frank  
PS - Are USA vs. Puerto Rico playing?   Nothing on ESPN.    


Yes, they are playing, but it's not on tv. I'm following on the live stats thing online. As for my line-up, it was just a stab at it.
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