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Yesterday you had men's slowpitch.
The sport where you let the batter hit and every batter can hit a homerun so you are limited to 10 homeruns per game and any more homeruns are outs.
USA futures defeated team USa 38-37 as a runner tried to score from 2nd to home and was thrown out at the plate to end the game.

On Around the Horn tv show today on ESPN jackie mcMullen dissed slow pitch as boring as they were commenting on the 38-37 score. To each his or her own but I also find slow pitch softball boring and the stands were pretty empty except for team usa softball players and family of the players. Several here find baseball boring--slow pitch men's softball is like watching batting practice before a baseball game---players hitting homeruns and a total lack of pitching. The bottom of 6th inning took 35 minutes as team scored 20 runs....and they needed at least 4 when they came to bat to avoid being run-ruled by 20. It was painful to sit thru.

Today the women played softball.
Puerto Rico, USA, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Brazil.
No japan this year.
Anyone know why?

I will be there in person for military night tomorrow as team usa plays australia and 3 other games that day between other teams. Attendance for tonight vs puerto rico is slim from what I can see so I wonder how it is in person and how it will be when I am there.

But no japan?
And no czech republic or great britain after they played last year.

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Thursday Scores

Brazil over Puerto Rico 21 (8 innings)
Netherlands over canada 7-6
Australia over Brazil 11-1

USA is playing puerto Rico and leads in 7-0 in bottom of 4th batting

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Thursday Scores

Brazil over Puerto Rico 21 (8 innings)
Netherlands over canada 7-6
Australia over Brazil 11-1

USA is playing puerto Rico and leads in 7-0 in bottom of 4th batting


Had to leave with it 6-6 between NED and CAN, but what an odd performance for Caira with 11+ Ks and gives up 7 runs.

Think I saw somewhere that Georgia Tech alum, Aileen Morales was coaching the Puerto Rican team.
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USA defeats Puerto Rico in 5 innings 8-0

Puerto Rico head coach is Edwin Mercado.

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DD & I watched the men's game last night & found it quite enjoyable.  DD (who usually won't watch women's games) was in awe of the men's hitting.  True, there's not much defense & the pitchers don't have much finesse, but it's fun to watch the bombs those guys can hit.  And then watch them try to tone down a hit so that it's not a homerun after the limit has been reached.  Where else can you see a team down 32-10 come back with a 20-run inning & then lose by just one run 38-37??  Pitchers had ERAs of 34.0 and 25.0.  Crazy!!!  Felt kinda sorry for that pitcher that kept getting hit.  Good thing he was wearing a football helmet!  LOL 

And we really had to laugh every time we saw the assistant coach for the Nationals team - Randy Raper!!!  I think I'd change my name.  Too funny!
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Friday scores

Netherlands over Brazil 4-3
Australia over canda 7-6
Netherlands over puerto rico 7-2
USa over Australia 3-1

Standing going into saturday

Netherlands 3-0
USA 2-0
Australia 2-1
Brazil 1-2
Canada 0-2
Puerto Rico 0-3



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Today


USA defeats Netherlands 2-1

So hot can't sit thru all the games today because the grandkids are toasty.
Disappointed in attendance again.
People seem to treat the usa national team like the usa futures with most the top players in npf. The world isn't catching up...the usa tuned it down. Canada took the biggest hit with no olympics with their best in npf and their national team 0-2 going into today. I support these girls on all the teams worldwide even with no olympics.





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Val Arioto and some good pitching.  2-1 USA over the Nederlanders.  On to 7PM Eastern time !!       Frank
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There was a very poor fielding play by Team USA centerfielder that went for a home run for the Netherlands.
Miss Lowe would had made the catch easily.
Miss Lowe is busy making money patroling centerfield for the pros.


The gra$$ is greener there.

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There are many tourneys were attendance for Mens Slowpitch is quite substantial.
Like you said it seems like there isnt very good attendance for any of the games so far.

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Devil - Once the Olympics money was gone, most USA roster players had to make a choice about whether to play for money or represent the USA in International competition.  It is no secret which way most decided to go.  Some opted to play professionally overseas.  Thus, a new era with mostly a new group of athletes was ushered in.  Frank
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another short innings game for the US. is on it's way.
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Ariota and Fischer and friends 9 and Canada 0 in five.  Ricketts all the way with the shutout.  Arioto and Fischer with home runs for USA. Sam Fischer seems to be all girly girl nice, and she flirts playfully with the cameras and has personal fun.  She appears to be a delightful personality child who plays this game well. Thumbs up and all that !!!  USA is now the only undefeated team in the tourney and looking to play Brazil tomorrow.     Frank
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Ariota and Fischer and friends 9 and Canada 0 in five.  Ricketts all the way with the shutout.  Arioto and Fischer with home runs for USA. Sam Fischer seems to be all girly girl nice, and she flirts playfully with the cameras and has personal fun.  She appears to be a delightful personality child who plays this game well. Thumbs up and all that !!!  USA is now the only undefeated team in the tourney and looking to play Brazil tomorrow.     Frank


I'm glad to see that the essence of Sam is coming across the air waves.
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Charlie - There is a lot to like there.   Frank
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Val's back!
She didn't have the best WCWS. Perhaps she was depressed after being jobbed for POY. But she's got her head together again and is taking it out on international pitchers at the World Cup. There don't seem to be that many HRs but Arioto has 3. I say she's good for at least 1 more.

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Charlie - There is a lot to like there.   Frank


Her attitude is the typical attitude at LMU.  That's why my daughter loved playing there so much and why my wife and still drive an hour to see the games. It's an uplifting experience.
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Jackie looked good versus the Netherlands. Moultrie should have caught that ball! If it was Jennifer Fenton out there, she would have had Jackies back. In the end it didn't matter though, just wish that Michelle would have caught it, so Jackie could keep pitching.


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The good, the bad and the Ugly

The Good-
Team USA softball. Sam Fischer. Netherlands.

The bad-
Attendance was very poor. Many people I know travel for 4th of july...I just happen to have family to see in okc. Heat didn't help. Olympics in 27 days without softball didn't help.

The ugly-
The majority of the best softball players for usa and canada are NPF. They have moved on. They are playing games during the world cup of softball so softball fans are split between supporting the "usa futures team" which is team usa at the world cup or supporting superstars of softball like monica abbott, cat osterman, caitlin lowe, danielle lawry, etc.
Also......NPF is full. It tried with more than 4 teams and failed. So it is 4 teams for awhile which means only the best of the best of college will make a roster (bumping someone else). This year 5 girls got drafted from college to NPF. This means out of all the seniors in all the divisions of college softball only 5 of them continue into pro softball in america...and 5 players in NPF just got released and are out of playing pro softball in america.

Also ugly...No olympics til at least 2020 "if" softball is chosen to be the 1 added sport for 2020 out of the 8 sports competing for that 1 spot (including baseball so both cannot be in 2020). USA is winning without using it's best players which shows that the usa is like the sec and pac 12 compared to the world being a mid major conference. Because of how pitching dominates I would bet alabama, cal, OU or even tennessee could win in international play....certainly bama and OU could beat puerto rico, brazil, canada, and since their pitchers pitch for team usa they could compete with netherlands and australia.

Also ugly--No japan.
Czech republic and great britain were here last year but not this year...that isn't good for the sport. We need to keep teams and keep adding. Getting only 6 for theworld cup of softball is weak for a sport that is worldwide and trying to get back into olympics. And no japan still has me scratching my head.

Olympics or not people need to get out there and support team usa softball if they want the sport to grow beyond college. Sam Fischer, Val arioto, j-train, jordan, kaitlin cochran,chelsea taylor, moultrie, and the rest are out there giving it their all.
And wish NPF took these  days off to support world cup of softball. I understand they are just competing to get fans and viewers like everyone else but softball isn't big enuff to divide fans on weekend before july 4th weekend and have both be successful.

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Saturday Scores

USA defeats Netherlands 2-1
USA defeats canda 9-0 in 5 innings

USA 4-1
Netherlands 3-1
Australia 2-1
Brazil 1-2
Puerto Rico 0-3
Canada 0-3

USA is in championship game monday already
Canada has no pitching and has given up 24 runs in 3 games
USA has been home team for all it's games so far



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Japan played it smart. They are saving their legendary pitcher, Ueno, until the world championship. The last time Team USA saw her was the 2008 Beijing Olympics. 
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The good, the bad and the Ugly

The Good-
Team USA softball. Sam Fischer. Netherlands.

The bad-
Attendance was very poor. Many people I know travel for 4th of july...I just happen to have family to see in okc. Heat didn't help. Olympics in 27 days without softball didn't help.

The ugly-
The majority of the best softball players for usa and canada are NPF. They have moved on. They are playing games during the world cup of softball so softball fans are split between supporting the "usa futures team" which is team usa at the world cup or supporting superstars of softball like monica abbott, cat osterman, caitlin lowe, danielle lawry, etc.
Also......NPF is full. It tried with more than 4 teams and failed. So it is 4 teams for awhile which means only the best of the best of college will make a roster (bumping someone else). This year 5 girls got drafted from college to NPF. This means out of all the seniors in all the divisions of college softball only 5 of them continue into pro softball in america...and 5 players in NPF just got released and are out of playing pro softball in america.

Also ugly...No olympics til at least 2020 "if" softball is chosen to be the 1 added sport for 2020 out of the 8 sports competing for that 1 spot (including baseball so both cannot be in 2020). USA is winning without using it's best players which shows that the usa is like the sec and pac 12 compared to the world being a mid major conference. Because of how pitching dominates I would bet alabama, cal, OU or even tennessee could win in international play....certainly bama and OU could beat puerto rico, brazil, canada, and since their pitchers pitch for team usa they could compete with netherlands and australia.

Also ugly--No japan.
Czech republic and great britain were here last year but not this year...that isn't good for the sport. We need to keep teams and keep adding. Getting only 6 for theworld cup of softball is weak for a sport that is worldwide and trying to get back into olympics. And no japan still has me scratching my head.

Olympics or not people need to get out there and support team usa softball if they want the sport to grow beyond college. Sam Fischer, Val arioto, j-train, jordan, kaitlin cochran,chelsea taylor, moultrie, and the rest are out there giving it their all.
And wish NPF took these  days off to support world cup of softball. I understand they are just competing to get fans and viewers like everyone else but softball isn't big enuff to divide fans on weekend before july 4th weekend and have both be successful.


I agree with everything you said except that the NPF only drafted 5 players. The Pride alone drafted 6 and I believe the other 3 teams drafted at least 5 or 6. Now that many didn't sign(3 of the Pride draftees signed). Also there were several players added as free agents(IE Annie Lockwood). There are always spots available! Between retirement and the number of players who don't come back after their first year, there are always spots to be filled. Also with the huge divide between the NPF and USA softball you'll never see the NPF take off for the anything USA softball related. There was a Q&A a few months ago with Cheri Kempf on Facebook and one of the things someone asked her was about the relationship between the NPF and USA softball and she flat out said that they don't get along and have no relationship. I wrote a blog about this when the stars left way back when and what I thought would happen has pretty much occurred. That division that move by the stars caused(and I don't blame them for making it at all) is only hurting international softball. It's been a great boost for the NPF and this season the attendance for the most part has been pretty good. But I have been blown away by how few people have been there for the World Cup, ever game of it. If they don't get a better crowd out for Worlds I see no way softball gets back in the Olympics in 2020. It's really very sad.  
 

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Val's back!
She didn't have the best WCWS. Perhaps she was depressed after being jobbed for POY. But she's got her head together again and is taking it out on international pitchers at the World Cup. There don't seem to be that many HRs but Arioto has 3. I say she's good for at least 1 more.


I don't know about depressed, but the more I think about it, the more I think it was a big mistake by Cal to not use Val as a pitcher in the post-season.  You do not change your MO in a way that makes your best player less of a factor... it just doesn't make any sense psychologically.
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Honestly, I watched about 10 minutes of the game today and that was it. I want to support the sport wherever it's shown, but USA is just so far ahead of all these other nations it's almost like practice to them. Hard to blame folks for not showing up with it being the weekend of the 4th and also 98 degrees to boot. It's 96 with 70% humidity here in north Florida and it's unbearable just to walk out in my garage.  
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Honestly, I watched about 10 minutes of the game today and that was it. I want to support the sport wherever it's shown, but USA is just so far ahead of all these other nations it's almost like practice to them. Hard to blame folks for not showing up with it being the weekend of the 4th and also 98 degrees to boot. It's 96 with 70% humidity here in north Florida and it's unbearable just to walk out in my garage.  


I flipped back and forth between the USA/Netherlands game and the USA/Canada women's soccer game that was going on at the same time. I watched some of the USA/Canada game but had to cook supper and then turned on the NPF game. The pitching and defense for Canada is hard to watch. I love many of the girls on that team but boy oh boy do they need some work! The game was pretty boring and I agree can't blame people for not wanting to sit in the heat to watch a blow out.
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Do you think the ladies left Team USA to play with the NPF just for the money? I don't think so, personally. While it makes sense to need to earn a living considering how much of their time and lives have been spent playing/ traveling, I think their goal was not just to be paid by the NPF. I don't know how much they make there but my guess is it isn't a whole lot. From what I have read, it was more about the future of softball and what we could offer to girls who want to play professionally when they grow up.
    I know that I was disappointed to realize, when I was younger, that after college there was nothing for me. I'd be stuck playing slow pitch with middle aged men who drank beer while hitting home runs every at bat. To have a shot at a professional career playing softball? That would have been something great. Of course now that I'm almost 31 and didn't play for years, I'm excited to play in my WFSA league year round where I get the game I love with the competition I need playing fastpitch.

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According to the sites only 5 girls signed with NPF teams although several were drafted (I should have said how many girls made teams).
Also....in a league of only 4 teams spots may open up but those are few and far between and there are many many many girls lined up to fill them including girls who are graduating this year, girls who graduated years before and still try out to make teams, etc. There are thousands of girls each year for a handful of spots....for now. And the great pitchers now (abbott, osterman etc) and the awesome ones on team usa and in college like the LSU duo will be around fighting for spots in the next years. So this means only the absolute best of the best pitchers are in the league. Good luck as a pitcher making it in pro unless you are elite.

Asked my brother and neice why they didn't like softball after I took them to games near their home in okc. She said she likes the men's slow pitch (which i find lame) because of all the scoring. It is opposite of fast pitch softball--it isn't about a dominating pitcher and timely hitting---it is about timely home run hitting of your allotment of 10 and pitcher is just throwing batting practice. Lots of kids like the scoring and hate low scoring baseball or softball games. They want action not a pitcher's duel.
 I support but stopped watching NPF softball regularly because it feels like an all-star game each time and not a league. Same all-stars playing against same all-stars. Was cool at first but then it was same ole same ole. When it can support 8 teams financially and have two 4 team divisions that interplay but playoffs are for each division (top 2 in each division play each other in a series to go to championship vs other division winner) it will take off. Remember wnba was a rollercoaster and the nba kept them afloat and if you look at their uniforms you see no team names but sponsors on their jerseys. Yes..just like nascar. Teams will advertise on their jersey. And the league grew. And teams are all over usa. NPF wonders why no one in southwest or pacific cares much? No teams or games played in those areas. Arizona, cal and texas need teams. Love you cat, monica, jessica, etc. but I am not saying anything about the league that other fans and players havent said too. And college softball is so good right now it sets the bar high for pro ball.

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Do you think the ladies left Team USA to play with the NPF just for the money? I don't think so, personally. While it makes sense to need to earn a living considering how much of their time and lives have been spent playing/ traveling, I think their goal was not just to be paid by the NPF. I don't know how much they make there but my guess is it isn't a whole lot. From what I have read, it was more about the future of softball and what we could offer to girls who want to play professionally when they grow up.
    I know that I was disappointed to realize, when I was younger, that after college there was nothing for me. I'd be stuck playing slow pitch with middle aged men who drank beer while hitting home runs every at bat. To have a shot at a professional career playing softball? That would have been something great. Of course now that I'm almost 31 and didn't play for years, I'm excited to play in my WFSA league year round where I get the game I love with the competition I need playing fastpitch.


The whole money thing never made since to me because they aren't getting anywhere near rich playing for the NPF! I think there were alot of reasons they left and I know alot of people don't agree, I believe(and I've been told) there was mounting pressure placed on them by both the NPF and USA softball to chose one or the other. In the end, USA softball couldn't offer them what the NPF could. Website says average pay is $5000-$6000 for the whole summer. 
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According to the sites only 5 girls signed with NPF teams although several were drafted (I should have said how many girls made teams).
Also....in a league of only 4 teams spots may open up but those are few and far between and there are many many many girls lined up to fill them including girls who are graduating this year, girls who graduated years before and still try out to make teams, etc. There are thousands of girls each year for a handful of spots....for now. And the great pitchers now (abbott, osterman etc) and the awesome ones on team usa and in college like the LSU duo will be around fighting for spots in the next years. So this means only the absolute best of the best pitchers are in the league. Good luck as a pitcher making it in pro unless you are elite.

Asked my brother and neice why they didn't like softball after I took them to games near their home in okc. She said she likes the men's slow pitch (which i find lame) because of all the scoring. It is opposite of fast pitch softball--it isn't about a dominating pitcher and timely hitting---it is about timely home run hitting of your allotment of 10 and pitcher is just throwing batting practice. Lots of kids like the scoring and hate low scoring baseball or softball games. They want action not a pitcher's duel.
 I support but stopped watching NPF softball regularly because it feels like an all-star game each time and not a league. Same all-stars playing against same all-stars. Was cool at first but then it was same ole same ole. When it can support 8 teams financially and have two 4 team divisions that interplay but playoffs are for each division (top 2 in each division play each other in a series to go to championship vs other division winner) it will take off. Remember wnba was a rollercoaster and the nba kept them afloat and if you look at their uniforms you see no team names but sponsors on their jerseys. Yes..just like nascar. Teams will advertise on their jersey. And the league grew. And teams are all over usa. NPF wonders why no one in southwest or pacific cares much? No teams or games played in those areas. Arizona, cal and texas need teams. Love you cat, monica, jessica, etc. but I am not saying anything about the league that other fans and players havent said too. And college softball is so good right now it sets the bar high for pro ball.

 
The Pride signed 3 (Krstyn Sandberg, Brittany Mack, and Nikia Willaims). The Bandits signed 3 new pitchers, 3 new infielders, and a new outfielder just this season alone. All of which are new to legaue between the draft and free agency/tryouts. The Diamonds signed 3 of their draftees. Plus they added Annie Lockwood either via free agency or tryouts. The Racers signed 5 draftees. So that is 19 right there. I mean that's still only a fraction of the players who graduated but it's alot more than 5 and as far as I know none of the players that were there lost theirs spots.  Most of these girls who don't sign, don't sign because they decided not to play or like the 3 that didn't sign for the Pride who are playing Team USA. They put teams in Arizona and Texas and they failed. It might be different now that they have the star power but it's not like they have never tried to put teams out west. The NPF is work in progress no doubt but things are getting better and bringing in those stars for the whole season has provided a major boost! I'm very excited about the future of the NPF!
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Don't underestimate the ego gratification linked with "I played PROFESSIONAL fastpitch".  Even more ego gratifying is "I played for the USA in the Olympics and was a PROFESSIONAL player".  Can't put a money value on that when you're in a rocking chair and talking to the grandbabies or talking with neighbors in the retirement community.  Also, the hint of fame attached to playing professionally leads to recognition for most and an additional "looks good on the resume" for radio and tv work or even the few advertising shots out there. Of course the money plays a big part in deciding to play professionally, but there are other facets of decision making that are included in that big decision for the top level players in our nation's softball community.  Some few decide that playing with that USA on the front of the uniform and representing ones nation internationally is a primary value that trumps all other considerations. I don't think that it's an easy decision either way.      Frank
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