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LMUFan,

Respectfully.

That is the clear definition of ignorance!


You are absolutely correct.  When it comes to discussing softball with people from other nations I have a wealth of ignorance!
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Playoffs

Netherlands over Chinese Taipei 4-3
Chinese Taipei eliminated

Australia over Puerto Rico 12-0 (4 innings)
Puerto Rico eliminated

USA over Canada 4-2
Canada brings back 2 olympians. USA plays without theirs. USA still wins.

Japan over China 1-0

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Saturday Matchups

Losers bracket
P5=Netherlands vs canada
P6=Australia vs China

P8=P5 winner vs P6 winner

Winners bracket
P7=Japan vs USA


Japan/USA winner goes to championship game sunday evening
Japan/USA loser plays the winner of loser's bracket (P8 winner) then the winner of that plays in championship game later that evening.



Does the USA play at 5pm or 7:30pm?
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5pm USA - Japan.  It's not ESPN, but throwing it on the big screen with an hdmi cable is the next best thing.


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5pm USA - Japan.  It's not ESPN, but throwing it on the big screen with an hdmi cable is the next best thing.



Yes, sadly no hi def.   My DVR is a Windows Media Center PC so it's easy to see streaming video on the big screen.
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A huge day of games today from Whitehorse!

Nederlands vs. Canada!

China vs. Australia!

Japan vs. USA!

The Final 6 is pretty much what I expected. The Dutch are ready to break in to the top 4. Lawrie vs. Bloeming. It will be an interesting game with Canada. China's Pitching has been outstanding. Can they score a run against the Aussie's? And don't let Porter Beat you! The final Game will be USA and Japan. It will be interesting to see Japan's pitching strategy in this game?

Yesterday Musing's:

Team USA's offense is the strongest and deepest here. They battled hard against Lawrie and earned the 4 runs from a seasoned International pitcher. USA pitching was very good. Controlling a solid Canada offense.

The Japan vs. China Game was classic Asian Softball with Dominant pitching. Ueno, Qi and Lan were all very good. Japan scored the only run of the game on an Asian squeeze. Nearly impossible to defend. It was interesting to note that Ueno did not dominate the Chinese lineup. Speaking to another National team coach here. He said that Ueno has been getting hit fairly hard.


Today will be fun!





She might be giving up a few hits BUT she has an ERA of .88 after last nights game. She has given up 14 hits and has 27 Ks in 4 games including a no hitter against Chinese Taipei. She is still incredibly dominating!
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We will see today? Or tomorrow?

Definitely not the same pitcher as 8/2008.

Yukiko may be saving something for tomorrow. Or other.....

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We will see today? Or tomorrow?

Definitely not the same pitcher as 8/2008.

Yukiko may be saving something for tomorrow. Or other.....


My guess is tomorrow but who knows. She is not the same pitcher but a pitcher who has been around as long as she has who can still throw 75-76 MPH(this is what the Canadian players said she was throwing against them) and dominate the way she does is incredible! She has looked pretty strong to me and she can't be taken lightly. She is still certainly one of the best pitchers in the world. I think with a pitcher who has already beaten the American's they'll save Ueno for tomorrow but who knows. I'm thinking Canada goes with Caira against the Dutch in hopes of making it to the 2nd game and use Lawrie then. But again who knows. 

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What is the time of USA - Japan (Eastern Time please)?    Frank
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Nice game for Canada! Caira pitched 5 nice innings and Danielle Lawrie pitched 2 great innings in relief! They won 4-0! On to the next! Congrats to the Dutch on a nice tournament!

USA game is at 8pm ET.
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Australia - China now - 2:30 pm in Whitehorse, 5:30 pm ET
http://www.sportscanada.tv/index.php/fastpitch/womens-fastpitch/2012-world-championships

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Softball in olympics

I was not born in america and talk to people outside of usa all the time about softball. American dominance got it booted from olympics. Period. Women's hockey sees this with usa and canada too dominant and were told it would be dropped from winter olympics if not more competitive. The canadian and usa teams development is 800 girls in switzerland to 80,000 girls in canada in the hockey pool and over 5 times the budget. Like comparing a sec team to a small conference. They have the money, facilities, coaches, ex-players, alumni, espn contract, and attract the top talent and thus a larger pool to pick from. They turn down girls that would start for other school yet just ride their bench. Same with some world sports (like softball and women hockey)

My daughters and grandaughter love the sport but even they realize that except for asia the best pitchers around the world played college in usa. And if softball were an olympic sport team usa would not be our 3rd team players but it would be cat Osterman, monica abbott, katie burkhart, kristen butler, natasha watley, caitlin lowe, and the olympians and others from stars from NPF playing for team usa and the beatings would be worse. Canada had to use it's pro players to make the game close against our futures team. Nothing wrong with being dominant and building a sport from grade school thru college...but it doesn't make it an olympic sport. Do we push to get sports added that we suck at? Oh wait..usa women do not suck at any team sport. Soccer, basketball ,gymnastics, vollyball, swimming, etc. We are top 2 in them all. Opportunities in usa for women in sports gives an edge. If all countries were same as usa we wouldnt be the greatest nation on the planet.

Talking to hard core fans at tourneys in canda , usa, and last year in venezuela does not represent tv revenue, sponsors, markleting, nor casual fans. It also does not represent the sport being an olympic sport that is competitive. You are preaching to the choir and talking to people that sing the same song you do.

Softball was first sport in 69 years to be dropped from the programme.
The olympics are limited in sports and right now for 2016 they are at max.
Yes...there is a cap on olympic sports.
7 sports want in for 2020 (incuding baseball and softball) but only one gets in and one sport will be dropped to let them in. Softball was dropped from olympics BEFORE team usa lost to japan in 2008 gold medal game. The committee said sport was not competitive and usa too dominant. They vote and their opinion matters. Hardcore fans don't vote. Casuyal viewing of a sport is what matters for being added. How is it seen by the casual sports fan. Of course all of us here support it. We support high school and college too.

And world wide teams come together for world championships but look at world cup. 2 years ago you had usa, usa futures, canada, and Japan. The usa futures team finished 3rd. The olympians won, japan second, canada last. The money in softball is not good and revenue and support is weak. Sending teams to more than 1 big tourney is dissicult. Japan didnt play in world cup this year in okc. we could sen college teams and have them finish at top or even win it all on a good day with traina or ricketts pitching for bama or OU. Even cal. ASU or LSU would do well. Tennessee would do well.

16 teams competing world wide in softball and only 6 of them are decent.
Doesn't matter how other olympic sports are doing--they are already there.
2000 and 204 dominance by one nation of a newly added sport sealed it's fate. Dominance now by one nation using it's 3rd team and total blowouts and run ruled games all over will not help the sport get back in olympics soon (it will be back but most likely 2024 as jessica mendoza has no faith on it coming back in 2020 either). Baseball has a better chance of getting the spot than softball. Both can't go. And the other sports just have to show they are more competitive world wide than their competitors.

SOftball getting back to olympics is not about usa winning. It is about the rest of the world being competitive. The sport has to overcome why it was dropped before. Nomatter what die hard softball fans say we all know the sport was newly added and quickly dropped because it was non-competitive and USA totally dominated to point of embarrment. Money is lost on run rules games. 3 and 4 inning games are great for grade school and college but not for big time play where sponsors want their air time and vendors want people for a full game not half of it. Many see this from the position of being usa fans. We want our girls to be able to go get gold medals. The worst is we get silver. In olymoic history canada has never won a medal in softball. 4th has been their best finsih at olympics. USA, Japan, China and australia are only medal winners in olympic softball. 16 Years later it is still USA and japan at the top, canada, china and australia at second tier, and netherlands with their usa college connections making a surge. So in 16 years 1 team, the netherlands, host of next years world championships has become competitive and joined the othr 5. Within 5 years I see a few more (more players from other nations playing american college ball). I see UK, and puerto rico breaking thru. American college players and coaches make a difference and opend the door. Plus within 5 years NPF will be over overpopulated with many many good players not able to be on teams so looking to play elsewhere. Leagues in holland, uk, etc.
When good usa talents goes overseas they help those teams with their skill, their knowledge, experience playing top notch softball, and they help develop leagues etc. and they bring fandom. Best teams in world playing olympic basketball had most of their best players play college in usa and their top players play in WNBA in america (russia and australia are full of players who played college or pro in usa and american becky hammon didnt make usa team in 2008 and 2012 so plays for russia where she got citizenship playing leagues years ago). I see more players finishing their careers overseas after getting cut from NPF or after college. Ad the team usa pitchers and top collegiate pitchers to NPF and alot of girls aren't on teams. No room. Only so many spots and yet more girls graduate each year wanting to play pro softball. 4 teams leaves few roster spaces and they already cut back down to 4 so adding in near future is not financially probable.

Remember--we love winning and dominating in america. From t-ball to little league to college sports. We want the best facitlities and the best players at our schools and we want to be in best conference and win. We like to win at sports. When our college kids started losing basketball after dominating forever we got them to allow NBA players. Years later hockey said if you can have pros in basketball we get ptos in hockey where we dominate. The world caught up in basketball. Over 10X more international players in college and nba means national teams aregetting better. Same will happen in softball. More of these players go to usa colleges and more usa collegiates go play internationally and qualify to be on that national team.

Softball will eventualy make it back to olympics sometime in the 2020s. I see baseball getting 2020 bid and using pro players like they did for championships year ago. Lots of teams competed and 5 had good chance to win it all. Everyone lost games and anyone could be beat. Plus the mlb players raked in the sponsors, money, tv broadcasts, and fans.
Softball will get there when the world catches up....which will be soon. We will still be best but compettion will be better and on a given day 5 or more teams will have a chance to win it all.


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Beautiful day in whitehorse and I love the announcers and how he and she broadcast the game for radio as well as streaming sudiences. And they are homers and excited like guys saying goaaaallll! in soccer when canada does well. And they are excited when big plays or hits are made by a team. They don't talk about themselves and I like the radiop broadcast feel and their energy.

Canada fans and facilities scored with the playoffs.
The silver lining to losing opening up playoffs.
If canada won they would have 3 to 4 games.
But since they lost friday the home crowd gets to watch the home team play twice today and possible twice sunday. Possible 5 games in front of home crowd. More fans in stands, more concessions, etc.

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fhoenix,
2000 and 2004 dominance by one nation of a newly added sport sealed it's fate.
I only disagree with you when you say the 2000 USA Olympic team was dominate.  If I remember correctly they lost 3 games during the Olympic tournament, but were able to win the gold medal.

http://www.usasoftball.com/folders.asp?uid=153
I copied and pasted the part about the 2000 Olympics from the USA website.
At the 2000 Olympics the U.S. had its 112 game win streak snapped with a 2-1 11 inning loss to Japan in round-robin play. The U.S. proceeded to lose two more games (2-0 to China and 2-1 to Australia). It was the first time in the history of USA Softball that a Women’s National Team lost three games in a row.

The U.S. rebounded to win five consecutive games including wins in the playoffs over China (3-0 in 10 innings), Australia (1-0) and Japan (2-1 in eight innings) in the gold medal game to capture its second consecutive gold medal.


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Ok, it's after 5pm and the streaming page shows "Off Air".  Is the USA game delayed?
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Ok, it's after 5pm and the streaming page shows "Off Air".  Is the USA game delayed?


Australia and China went a little long, going into extras. Aussies won 5-4 in 8 innings. They'll play Canada in the other semifinal tonight after the USA/Japan game.

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Game is beginning right now
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Ueno pitching for Japan
Lauren Gibson with a home run in the top of the first for a 1-0 score.
Japan ties it at 1-1 to end the 3rd inning.
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Currently in the top of the 8th inning USA 3 Japan 1 on a double by Gibson
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Team USA wins 3-1 to move on to the gold medal game.
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You can lose a few games and still be dominant. They won the gold medal for 2nd straight olympics in 2000 and in 2004 they went 9-0 with 51 runs scored and 1 scored against (in the finals vs australia). In 2005 they voted to remove softball from the olympic program for 2012. Softball was already cancelled for future olympics  when 2008 olympics becan and usa was 7-0 in prelims with 53 runs scored and 1 run scored against. They went on to beat japan for the 2nd time in the tourney 4-1 then faced japan again in the finals and lost their only game of the tourney 3-1 and lost the gold for first time in softball olympic history. Only loss was to a team they had already beaten twice in tourney. All the tourneys it was japan, china, USA and australia with canada looking in. Then in 2008 it was still usa, japan and australie with canada breaking in and china falling out. Those are the teams for softball even after 16 years--USA, Japan, Australia, china and canada. Netherlands is in the breakout position. The rest of the world still gets run ruled by the top teams. Softball became the first sport dropped from olympic programme for a reason....and it wasn't because it was competitive worldwide.

The announcers noted that several of the other teams pulled their players from pro softball to come play but the usa did not. USA is not using it's best players yet we are run ruling most and still beating the top competition with our college girls. USA winning the tourney doesn't help get softball back to olympics. Our best will play when it is olympics. But it will show team usa does not rely on olympians or others...it can reload from college ranks and still be a top team in the world and be in finals of every tourney and win most. USA softball grade school to college rocks.
And I am proud of team usa. Some said without our olympians and other top players the  usa national team would drop down in the pack. It didn't . In fact offensively team usa is better than before and they only gave up 1 run in round robin play with most games run ruled. Solid team. They lack the star power names of past teams but they have skills, heart and spirit. They rock.

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fhoenix,
I'll agree to disagree with you on the 2000 Olympic team.
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Today has been an excellent day for softball. So far, every playoff game today has been competitive and exciting to watch:

Canada 4 - Netherlands 0
Australia 5 - China 4 (8 innings)
USA 3 - Japan 1 (8 innings)
Australia currently up 1-0 over Canada (Porter hit an absolute BOMB off Lawrie).

During the USA/Japan game, the announcers mentioned that people were watching online from 42 different countries.

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Agreed...it has been an excellent day of softball. Weather was perfect too. Sunny and cool. Great competitive games. Two of the 3 that finished today already went extra innings. The orange crush of netherlands fans was seen and heard. They will be great hosts next year.
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Agreed...it has been an excellent day of softball. Weather was perfect too. Sunny and cool. Great competitive games. Two of the 3 that finished today already went extra innings. The orange crush of netherlands fans was seen and heard. They will be great hosts next year.


The announcers said it was 37 degrees Celsius.  That's over 98 degrees Fahrenheit.  I'm not sure I'd classify that as cool. 
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Porter with another home run in the 7th Australia leads Canada 3-1 in the top of the 7th.
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Australia advances to take on Japan tomorrow.  Australia 3 Canada 1
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I didn't think it was that warm. According to weather service (via smartphone) it was 78 and dropped to 54 at night. I checked several sources. Never got above 81. Several people had long sleeve shirts and for the night games past few days people were wearing sweaters and players were bundled up. I also like that  with 24 hours of light you have night softball without lights needed.
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I think they said it was 27 degress, which means about 80 in Fahrenheit.


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Saturday final scores

Canda over netherlands 4-0

Australia over china 5-4 (8 innings)

USA over Japan 3-1 (8 innings)

Australia over canada 3-1

Sunday--
Austalia vs Japan. Loser gets bronze medal and winner plays USA for gold.

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fhoenix,

Completely disagree with you regarding the factor of USA dominance. In 1996 Team USA did NOT Dominate. In 2008 Team USA did not dominate.

I respect the people I have spoken with. They are IOC members. ISF leadership globally. Federation Presidents for Softball from around the world. And multiple National Team Coaches and players. I have done my research.

We may agree on this? My opinion? Softball is no longer on the Olympic Program because the game is not strong enough in the European Federation and in other parts of the world!

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