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When I was a kid about 7 my dad taught me to play baseball.  We started off by tossing the ball.  My dad was a professional pitcher early in his lifetime.  He chose not to use a graduated method.  He threw hard to me from the get go.  I was overwhelmed.  I couldn't catch the ball easily. I once had my glove turned wrong and the ball bounced up and hit me in the nose making it bleed profusely.  I could never hit a ball he pitched. 

It was a complete disaster.  He expected me to play in the adult world when I wasn't ready to do so.  I hated playing ball with my dad.  We eventually stopped playing together and I eventually quit the game before junior high school.

So, when I watch the international games I can completely sympathize with the teams that play against the USA.  The USA is my dad and the other teams are me.  It's no contest.  The danger is that the international teams could quit the game before junior high school.

I'm not saying that the USA team needs to let up.  I don't know exactly what the answer is.  But a kid that gets beat up time after time with no hope of defending himself eventually learns to avoid the bully that beats him up.  It's human nature.

We've been playing international ball for decades now and the results seem to be pretty much the same.  A few good teams and a bunch of patsies.  I don't see this changing any time soon.  It begs the question: How does the Olympics benefit from including softball?
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Nice article on Val
http://espn.go.com/espnw/more-sports/8179896/espnw-former-cal-softball-star-valerie-arioto-zone-team-usa
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When I was a kid about 7 my dad taught me to play baseball.  We started off by tossing the ball.  My dad was a professional pitcher early in his lifetime.  He chose not to use a graduated method.  He threw hard to me from the get go.  I was overwhelmed.  I couldn't catch the ball easily. I once had my glove turned wrong and the ball bounced up and hit me in the nose making it bleed profusely.  I could never hit a ball he pitched. 

It was a complete disaster.  He expected me to play in the adult world when I wasn't ready to do so.  I hated playing ball with my dad.  We eventually stopped playing together and I eventually quit the game before junior high school.

So, when I watch the international games I can completely sympathize with the teams that play against the USA.  The USA is my dad and the other teams are me.  It's no contest.  The danger is that the international teams could quit the game before junior high school.

I'm not saying that the USA team needs to let up.  I don't know exactly what the answer is.  But a kid that gets beat up time after time with no hope of defending himself eventually learns to avoid the bully that beats him up.  It's human nature.

We've been playing international ball for decades now and the results seem to be pretty much the same.  A few good teams and a bunch of patsies.  I don't see this changing any time soon.  It begs the question: How does the Olympics benefit from including softball?


This doesn't benefit the Olympics at all. Honestly I think this Worlds pretty much sealed the fate of softball in the Olympics and really international softball all together. These other countries simply can't compete with USA, Japan or even really Canada and Australia. And sadly with the removal of the big names USA softball has taken a hit in the fans department. I just can't see anyway international softball can sustain it's self this way and I see no reason for them to put softball back in the Olympics. Sadly for these women the dream of playing for their country is fading away and it's fading fast and I don't know that there is anything that can be done to stop it.
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Charlie - What a kind and insightful post.  I am sure that you post for many, many young folks whose athletic experiences have been less than satisfactory to someone.  Sometimes perceived failure gives us our deepest aspects of understanding and humanity. I'm guessing that your early experiences have made you a better man and a better Dad. My father too was a professional and gifted athlete.  His approach was different.  Though helpful, he kept reminding me that he couldn't understand why I spent so much time with athletics because "You're not good enough to make a living at it".  He was a wonderful man and a good, strict Dad, but I don't think that he ever understood how much I loved just playing "my athletics".  Loved your post !!   Frank
PS - I too played on the same team as my Dad when I was a kid.  It was great except that after the game I wanted to sit and talk with the rest of "the guys" about the game (a great joy to me) and Dad couldn't wait to get out of there and take off that uniform.  Vast perspective difference. I do hope that the "lesser" teams in the World Tourney took away more positive than negative experiences.  As one poster noted, the South African team celebrated after their singular win like they had won the gold - good stuff.  I do feel bad for those "fans" who concern themselves only with "ends" and don't understand the "process".  What I remember most from my years as a pitcher at the elite level of men's fastpitch are the times between and after the games when "the guys" got together and in a spirit of comaraderie laughed and were profane about our attempts on the field of play.  I
so hope that every member of every team in this Tournament leaves with such memories.  

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Hitting in the 3 hole for the Dutch. Is much different than hitting in the 2 hole for Cal. Britt loves to hit away. Diane makes her use her speed. 

We need the BBC aNd CCTV to broadcast the ISF WC games much more than ESPN!

The USA dominance is not the main factor in the state of Softball Internationally today!

Interest and Skill level in the European Federation is a huge factor!

Development is the key factor!

Try looking at this issue in a NON American Perspective!

Some Issues will be much easier to understand!

On my way to Whitehorse tonight!

If you care about International Softball? I hope to see you in the Yukon!

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USA dominance "is" because of deleopment, interest and skill level.
Let's look at all world wide sports and see which ones other nations have a high interest in and ones the USA does not. The world can't catch up until the USA is overflooded with top girls graduating college and NPF is full and they have to go play elsewhere. Many of the top women on international  softball teams played college in usa. All of the american players did. Th top canadians played in usa college ball. The world is not going to have collegiate softball on the level on ncaa. Especially not for international women who have less opportunities in their country than women in america collegiate sports. The world can produce top individual athletes but for team sports america is queen. Top women basketball, track, swimming, gymnastics, and soccer.

Same issue in women winter team sports.
Canada and USa women are so dominant in ice hockey they were told if it doesn't become competitive it will be dropped. Coaches of other nations said the usa and canadian teams have money, facilities, play in college, and are hockey factories. 8 nations barely fielded women hockey teams and even if olympics weren't dropped most of them are considering dropping hockey so usa and canada wouldn't have anyone else to play and it wouldnt be an olympic sport anyways. The swiss coach noted that canada has 3.5 million dollar women hockey budget and they have a $200,000 dollar budget. Also canada pools from 80,000 women hockey players--swiss pools from 800.
Same with usa softball. We choose from a much much much larger pool than other nations. That won't change unless other countries have their version of ncaa softball to help them get a bigger pool of girls to choose from and develop. Of course it is hard. It is hard in america for mid majors and other conference to compete with SEC and Pac12. The money, new facilities and espn contract are in sec so they have surged. Pac12 still gets top gfirls and Big 12 manages. The rest just fill up the field of 64. So within our own softball we see difference in skill levels. Same with international softball. We are SEC/PAc12 and most others are Southwesteren or patrio league .

Canadaian women hockey= 48 goals scored, 2 scored against in 5 games.
USA women hockey= 40 goals scored, 4 scored against in 5 games.
2 of those goals was in the 0-2 loss to canada in gold medal game.
Finalnd women hockey= 10 goals scores, 15 scoredagainst in 5 games.
They got the bronze medal.

During the 2010 Olympics i watched women hockey from start to finish. It was brutal to watch. The media was all over team usa and canada for running up the scores on pitiful competiton and showing no class. 18-0 and 12-0 in a hockey game is beyond embarrassing and girls on other teams were demoralized. The skill level difference was like little leaguers trying to play against Alabama in softball....difference being in softball there is a mercy rule. In hockey the beating continues.

Top players and coaches in canada and usa women hockey have been going to other nations to help with women hockey. Teaching, helping start leagues, fund raisers, promotions, donating time and money, getting new equiptment, helping with facilities, etc. They are working hard to help develop the rest of the world and not just north america.

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Team USA trailed 1-0 going into bottom of 1st inning to Argentina (scored on passed ball scoring runner from 3rd--unearned).....then they came up to bat and put a 12 spot up in the first inning.
USA won 14-1 in 4 innings (3 and half actually since they didn't have to bat in bottom of 4th). Thomas pitched a 3 hitter.

Arioto got a break as Chidester played first. Chidester had TWO home runs in the first inning. Finished with 6 rbi.
Arioto was walked, hit by pitch, and flew out to left field. Her ave. dropped to .727
Sam Fischer did not play.
USA 78 runs scored, 1 scored against in section play.

Next up...vs Section B #2 seed team canada with danielle lawrie pitching on friday.

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Final Day of Section Play


Chinese Taipei over New Zealand 2-1

Czech Republic over South Africa 8-1 (5 innings)

Australia over Great Britain 8-0 (5 innings)

USA over Argentina 14-1 (4 innings)

Japan over Mexico 9-0 (5 innings)

Netherlands over Puerto Rico 7-1

China over Venezuela 1-0

Canada is leading over Italy 5-0 in top of 2nd with canada still batting.
Edit--Game over. 8-0 canada in (5 innings)


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Frank,

Thanks to my dad I became an excellent father.  Unknowingly he helped me create a list as long as my arm containing things I'd never do to my kids.

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Final Section Standings

Standings

Section A

7-0 USA
6-1 China
5-2 Netherlands
3-4 Puerto Rico
3-4 Czech Republic
2-5 Venezuela
1-6 Argentina
1-6 South Africa

Section B

7-0 Japan
6-1 Canada
5-2 Australia
3-4 Chinese Taipei
3-4 Italy
2-5 New Zealand
2-5 Great Britain
0-7 Mexico

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Here are the playoff pairings for tomorrow. The first 2 games are the 3 v. 4 games, meaning that the loser goes home. In the 1 v. 2 games, I believe that the 2 winners are guaranteed at least a bronze medal. USA/Canada should be the game of the day, as Lawrie will certainly get the start for Team Canada.

July 20, 2012

GameTimeFieldTeam Team
P112:00pmINetherlandsvs.Chinese Taipei
P22:30pmIAustraliavs.Puerto Rico
P35:00pmIUSAvs.Canada
P47:30pmIChinavs.Japan

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Playoff schedule

Friday

Losers Bracket (3 & 4 seeds start playoffs here..loser eliminated)

P1 Netherlands vs Chinese TaiPei
P2 Australia vs Puerto rico

Winners Bracket (1 & 2 seeds start here..loser goes to losers bracket)

P3 Canada vs USA
P4 China vs Japan


Saturday

P5 Winner of P1 vs loser of P3
P6 Winner of P2 vs loser of P4
P7 Winner of P3 vs winner of P4

P8 Winner of P5 vs winner of P6


Sunday

P9 Winner of P8 vs loser of P7
P10 Winner of P9 vs winner of P7






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Friday

Netherlands over Chinese Taipei 4-3
Chinese Taipei eliminated

Australia leads puerto Rico 9-0 in top of 2nd.
Australis still batting with 1 out....oops......now it is 11-0.

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fhoenix,
Thank you for all of your updates.
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Aussies win 12-0 in 4 innings
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Team USA beats Canada 4-2
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I thought that Team USA looked lethargic.  However, they beat a fine pitcher. Final - 4-2. 
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Kind of a rough game for Danielle Lawrie. She just didn't seem to have her best stuff tonight and the defense was a torn in their side again. Some great hitting by Jenn Salling tonight! It's good to see her get playing time and have 3 very solid games! They put up a great fight and played USA closer than anybody else has so far! Couldn't be more proud of them! Congrats to the USA girls and another one of my favorite pitcher Keilani Ricketts on a nice game! 
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Playoffs

Netherlands over Chinese Taipei 4-3
Chinese Taipei eliminated

Australia over Puerto Rico 12-0 (4 innings)
Puerto Rico eliminated

USA over Canada 4-2
Canada brings back 2 olympians. USA plays without theirs. USA still wins.

Japan over China 1-0

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Saturday Matchups

Losers bracket
P5=Netherlands vs canada
P6=Australia vs China

P8=P5 winner vs P6 winner

Winners bracket
P7=Japan vs USA


Japan/USA winner goes to championship game sunday evening
Japan/USA loser plays the winner of loser's bracket (P8 winner) then the winner of that plays in championship game later that evening.


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Canada is still in the mix but it is a long hard road.
They have to defeat netherlands, then the winner of australia/china, then the loser of USA/Japan, and then the winner of USA/Japan. They will earn it if they do.

Japan and USA are now both guaranteed a top 3 finish since the winner will be in championship (finish 1 or 2) and loser plays the loser's bracket winner to see who goes to championship (loser gets 3rd place and winner plays to be 1 or 2).

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Note that the winner bracket winner only plays 2 games to get to championship game, loser or winner bracket plays 3 games to get to championship game and loser's bracket teams must play 4 games to get to championship game.

Also note: championship is only 1 game- winner take all.
One team will have 1 loss and the other will have no losses...doesn't matter.
Winner of the game is the world champion for 2012.

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A huge day of games today from Whitehorse!

Nederlands vs. Canada!

China vs. Australia!

Japan vs. USA!

The Final 6 is pretty much what I expected. The Dutch are ready to break in to the top 4. Lawrie vs. Bloeming. It will be an interesting game with Canada. China's Pitching has been outstanding. Can they score a run against the Aussie's? And don't let Porter Beat you! The final Game will be USA and Japan. It will be interesting to see Japan's pitching strategy in this game?

Yesterday Musing's:

Team USA's offense is the strongest and deepest here. They battled hard against Lawrie and earned the 4 runs from a seasoned International pitcher. USA pitching was very good. Controlling a solid Canada offense.

The Japan vs. China Game was classic Asian Softball with Dominant pitching. Ueno, Qi and Lan were all very good. Japan scored the only run of the game on an Asian squeeze. Nearly impossible to defend. It was interesting to note that Ueno did not dominate the Chinese lineup. Speaking to another National team coach here. He said that Ueno has been getting hit fairly hard.


Today will be fun!




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Wanted to post this here!

I have NEVER heard a NON American Citizen conclude that:

"The reason there is no longer Olympic Softball, is because USA Softball was too Dominant/Good!"

Not heard a EURO say this! Not heard an ASIAN citizen say this! Never heard and Australian say this! No one from Latin America has told me this!

Something to ponder fellow Americans! 

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Japan has there former Olympic Softball veterans here in Whitehorse! Australia has them here! Venezuela has there former Olympians here also! So does Team China! Canada has multiple former Olympic players participating! The Dutch Team has there Olympians playing well!

What is missing? Why? What does this mean?

How did this happen.......?

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Wanted to post this here!

I have NEVER heard a NON American Citizen conclude that:

"The reason there is no longer Olympic Softball, is because USA Softball was too Dominant/Good!"

Not heard a EURO say this! Not heard an ASIAN citizen say this! Never heard and Australian say this! No one from Latin America has told me this!

Something to ponder fellow Americans! 


I've had the same experience.  Never heard a European or Australian complain that the Americans were too dominant in softball and that's why it's no longer in the Olympics.

Of course maybe that's because I've never talked to a European or Australian about softball at all.
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LMUFan,

Respectfully.

That is the clear definition of ignorance!

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LMUFan - How does ice hockey in the Olympics benefit South America, Africa, the  Middle East, and the Pacific Islands (to name a few)?  Certain sports are played more in certain geographies than in others.  Cricket anyone??  Should they, as a result, be eliminated from the Olympics?    Frank
PS - I applaud the sledding team from (maybe Trinadad and Tobago - or maybe Jamaica?) and "Eddie the Eagle" from England. I think that my favorite sports mantra applies, "Let me win, but if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt".  One should ask himself if the spirit of the Olympics is just about winning and spectacle, or whether there is appropriately a deeper intent.  I also applaud those who, through love for their sport, attempt to spread it worldwide.   



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OC - Ueno at 80% is better than most.  She could be the difference, but I do think that some of the USA lineup will hit her as well as anyone does (long ball?).  The question is whether the disciplined Japanese team (note that Asian squeeze) can score on USA's pitching staff.  Should be interesting !!  I am jealous that you are in Whitehorse and I'm in Florida.  Enjoy!                                                                    

PS - I appreciate your expertise and your perspective on International Softball when you post.  Thank you.

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Frank,

Hope you are happy and healthy! You are welcome for the posts!

Wish you were here with me in Whitehorse! Ken is doing a great job with Team USA!

Take Care.

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LMUFan - How does ice hockey in the Olympics benefit South America, Africa, the  Middle East, and the Pacific Islands (to name a few)?  Certain sports are played more in certain geographies than in others.  Cricket anyone??  Should they, as a result, be eliminated from the Olympics?    Frank
PS - I applaud the sledding team from (maybe Trinadad and Tobago - or maybe Jamaica?) and "Eddie the Eagle" from England. I think that my favorite sports mantra applies, "Let me win, but if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt".  One should ask himself if the spirit of the Olympics is just about winning and spectacle, or whether there is appropriately a deeper intent.  I also applaud those who, through love for their sport, attempt to spread it worldwide.   




Frank,

Hockey, et al: They don't need to prove they benefit the Olympics.  They're in.  Softball, on the other hand, was thrown out.  It's on the outside looking in.  Softball needs to prove it belongs and benefits the Olympics to be accepted back into the Olympics.  It's a herculean task in this world of anti-American sentiment.

Look at it this way: I don't need to prove I know the DMV rules to get my driver's license renewed.  I only needed to prove it once, when I was 16.  Even though I'm sure the rules change dramatically in the ensuing years.

Renewal is easy, the barrier is much lower than entrance.
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