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bluedog

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  Too many people are too spoiled and that is part of the problem with our country......

 

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To all you ultra-liberals out there.  Watch this video.  Then I can say in the immortal words of Degeneration X - SUCK IT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc


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dewey I dont need anyone else explaining my point of view.  If you choose to distrat that way that is you weakness.  You have not countered one thing I have said.  


sbmom1812 - Ma'am, you came over here and completely changed the topic I had started, probably to the delight of the Conservatives who wanted no part of this exchange.  I'll give you and them another chance, (what other option do I have), to tell me in a world without Medicare, how can old and sick folks be guaranteed they'll have access to health insurance?  Please let me know how Republicans would handle this issue.  I answered spazsdad, bhblue, and woody's comments and I hope they'll return the favor.   

PS:  Have any of you received a PM from another UCS member urging you not to answer any of Dewey's questions?  Last week I couldn't get anyone to respond to these and today I'm having difficulty getting anyone to answer how Republicans would make certain that old folks had health insurance in the event Medicare were privatized or eliminated.  Seems odd.


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dewey I dont need anyone else explaining my point of view.  If you choose to distrat that way that is you weakness.  You have not countered one thing I have said.  


sbmom1812 - Ma'am, you came over here and completely changed the topic I had started, probably to the delight of the Conservatives who wanted no part of this exchange.  I'll give you and them another chance, (what other option do I have), to tell me in a world without Medicare, how can old and sick folks be guaranteed they'll have access to health insurance?  Please let me know how Republicans would handle this issue.  I answered spazsdad, bhblue, and woody's comments and I hope they'll return the favor.   

PS:  Have any of you received a PM from another UCS member urging you not to answer any of Dewey's questions?  Last week I couldn't get anyone to respond to these and today I'm having difficulty getting anyone to answer how Republicans would make certain that old folks had health insurance in the event Medicare were privatized or eliminated.  Seems odd.


To all the Conservatives who like to call out opponents for not responding, here it is again.  Yesterday's point of debate, last weeks questions, etc.  Most only needed yes or no answers.  People care what a world run by Republicans may look like and they don't care about birth certificate rumors.

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Dewey, the reason why Republicans cannot answer you is because they most likely have no answer.
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dewey did you even look at pgp's video.  There are never guarantees even with the govt! I like my chances alot better with me controlling my destiny than the govt.  plus I like the less fortunate peoples chances better with capitalism vs the crap this man is doing!  You are the one who is not listening.  We have answered plenty.  You just keep distracting cause you cant fight the answers!
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Great video PGP!


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Dewey, watch the video!

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bluedog - The video goes round and round with the Affordable Health Care Act.  My question is about the wisdom of Medicare.  Maybe you won't avoid the point everyone else is avoiding.  Let's assume Medicare is a nanny state program that should have never been born.  I think that is the stance of many Republicans here.  Now explain how old folks will afford and obtain health insurance if insurance companies have no Government requirements to provide coverage and no Government controls that would stop them from pricing a high risk elderly person out of the market.  It's one thing to mock a Government program but quite another to fail to explain to our people how the real world works without it.  Maybe you have the ability to spell it out.  Around here they bash what is but have no idea what should be.  I hope voters can see that clearly and don't put these Republicans back in power.

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dewey did you even look at pgp's video.  There are never guarantees even with the govt! I like my chances alot better with me controlling my destiny than the govt.  plus I like the less fortunate peoples chances better with capitalism vs the crap this man is doing!  You are the one who is not listening.  We have answered plenty.  You just keep distracting cause you cant fight the answers!

SBMom --- Don't bother wasting your breath asking Dewey to watch the video.  Dewey is a rigid ideologue who will not admit to seeing something that destroys his premises or positions.  Just like he enjoys deleting anything I write especially when I say he drink the Obama Kool-Ade all day long.  I am curious who is a bigger Obama Kiss-Ass?  Chris Matthews of MSLSD (MSNBC) or Dewey?  Because apparently both of them get tingles up their legs when they hear Obama speak; isn't that an arousal?  That's a definite sign of homosexuality. 


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Let's assume Medicare is a nanny state program that should have never been born. 

 

Dewey, I'm a proponent of medicare....I put no trust in insurance companies......I don't believe Romney wants to abolish Medicare...Nor, do I believe he would....But, also, I'm not a republican.....Now, I do have a serious problem with SSI disablity.....This program is a complete joke....

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bluedog - Thanks for an answer.  I hope others chime in saying they support Medicare or offer up an explanation as to how their alternative would work.


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Dewey - My answer is similar to bluedog's in that I support caring for our aged and infirm in this country.  I can't see Republicans being able to completely privatize Medicare nor overhaul it in a major way.  What's important to me is that it is funded without raising taxes an inordinate amount.  The CBO's new estimate for the cost of the AHCA scares the crap out of me because it most certainly will mean much higher taxes if it is not repealed. 

I believe your, and the Democrats, comments when it comes to Medicare and the Republicans supposed desire to do away with it are nothing more than election year scare tactics.  I'm not even sure the term "election year" has any meaning anymore.  We seem to be in a continuous election cycle the last 6 years.  I hope this qualifies as an answer for you so I can continue to call you out for not responding to others' posts.
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bhblue - This does qualify as an answer and allows you to continue to call me out in other posts.  Thank you for your answer but I don't understand why it took so much prodding on my part.  That said, you did skip the four questions last week where I tried to find the line on what Republicans consider constitutional.  Maybe you'll review those later.  Finally, it's no scare tactic but rather my response to those in this forum who say I want a Nanny state because I find Medicare to be an excellent program.  Without it, you have to require insurance companies to do some things which moves us back over to the unconstitutional debate.  If everyone supports Medicare, then we can drop the discussion and move on.   

Lastly, and maybe for another day, why would one champion Medicare but oppose the same system for all?  I'll start a new thread on this sometime. 

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dewey no everyone does not agree.  What you dont realize is your president is getting rid of medicare.  ultimately, if obamacare is not repealed everyone but the priviledged with money will be on universal govt crap like mediCAID
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CBO COMES OUT WITH ANOTHER REPORT THAT MORE PEOPLE WILL BE WITHOU INS WITH OBAMACARE.  Perfect way to get more people on govt dole to buy their votes.


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dewey no everyone does not agree.  


Did I have an agree question?  I did ask if everyone supported the idea of Medicare.  Do you?  If not, what will old folk do for insurance coverage, particularly if insurance companies deny them as high risk?  Do I sound like a broken record?

Edit:  OK OK, I'm wearing down too.  We were trying to have a discussion regarding Medicare and everyone wants to jump over to AHCA.  I guess my Medicare subject is not interesting enough.  Whenever folks post that we are nanny states because of Medicare and SS, I try to get them to answer many of the questions that come up without these two programs.  I never have much success.  Why is that?  It reminds of the post last year when a member said "you people do not have to defend your positions".  Still my favorite post of all time.  Why would anyone come on here to express political opinions, encourage political discussion, and then have no desire to explain why they think the way they do or what they would like to see done as an alternative?  I'll never get it.   


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Dewey, arguing against Medicare and Social Security is not the issue for me...And, again, I don't see either being disbanded.....Nor, an attempt to....Where the problem comes in is when a politician wants Government-controlled healthcare for all it's citizens, such as Obamacare....Too few paying for too many.....

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bluedog - I understand all the Conservatives here are against the AHCA.  That hasn't been the subject I was carrying on about.  I've spent months trying to determine those who want Medicare and SS to continue.  For some reason, I can't get most to answer.  When I find those against, I'd like to have an exchange regarding this Country without these programs.

As for the new health care bill, why don't you start a new thread?  I'd like to hear why health care for all 65 year olds and up works but not health care for 64 year olds and under.  Maybe you'd be willing to offer up an explanation.

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Dewey, I think I did.....It's too costly....I wish it could work....If I lose the insurance I now have, I won't be insured....I'm already close to my million dollar ceiling....My health issues would just have to go away....

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bluedog - You never lose insurance unless you stop paying.  That will now change.  Soon, there will be no limits either.  Not sure what your point is but I started the new thread for you.  Feel free to chime in.


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Dewey - get sick and let's see how fast one of your kids pulls the plug on you because it will be too expensive to do all those treatments for you.  Your kids won't wait for a Death Panel from Obamacare to tell them that it's too costly to take care of what you have.  They might give you a "pain pill" that will cost about $190 to $220.  But when your kids pull the plug, they plan on getting your house, your cash, and whatever else you have.  Get ready it's coming.


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I described it a couple of days ago, the TV show where eight or so folks sit around the table, an issue is placed in front of them, and then four on each side make a case on behalf or against the so called issue.  Very informative and entertaining if you like such an intellectual exercise.  Those making the case for their side are never referred to as pompous or unreasonable.  Would make no sense to characterize them in such a manner.  They're simply presenting an intellectual argument for their side. 

The show never goes to commercial break only to return and find one side holding up a sign suggesting their opponents are Communist.  It never goes to commercial returning to find only one side still sitting at the table.  And you would never hear one side accuse the other of being "unreasonable" because they continue to support their side of the issue rather than surrendering in order to soothe their opponents feelings.  Yes, I was called unreasonable and pompous with, once again, no quotes, no links, no nothing supporting such a claim.  In yet another odd response, I'll assume bluedog's picture is directed more at my argument rather than me personally.

If you want to sit at the round table and kick around political issues, please do.  If you don't want to play, then don't.  I just ask that you don't play until commercial break and then leave the show hanging.  Makes for a bad show and lowers the ratings.[wink]

Finally, a poster calls me an old man who should go take some Viagra.  Then he proceeds to suggest, incorrectly I should say, that Liberals are wackos who believe the Government should care for folks from birth to grave while at the same time robbing the rich to give to the poor.  He finishes with, "please respond".  This is nothing more than a wild and inaccurate opinion and a far cry from any particular "round table issue" that could be properly kicked around in an debate arena.  He's also about as disrespectful as one can get and deserves no response whatsoever which, unfortunately, I just did in hopes he'd leave well enough alone.  

Edit:  Geez bluedog, can you confuse the debate anymore?  Just answer the question already, who tells private enterprise not to discriminate?  The answer is clear.  Government, the representatives of society, directs private enterprise how to operate and what to do.  And rightfully so. 



The genesis of dewy's round table.  

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The word of the day is "obsessed".
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dewey I dont need anyone else explaining my point of view.  If you choose to distrat that way that is you weakness.  You have not countered one thing I have said.  


sbmom1812 - Ma'am, you came over here and completely changed the topic I had started, probably to the delight of the Conservatives who wanted no part of this exchange.  I'll give you and them another chance, (what other option do I have), to tell me in a world without Medicare, how can old and sick folks be guaranteed they'll have access to health insurance?  Please let me know how Republicans would handle this issue.  I answered spazsdad, bhblue, and woody's comments and I hope they'll return the favor.   

PS:  Have any of you received a PM from another UCS member urging you not to answer any of Dewey's questions?  Last week I couldn't get anyone to respond to these and today I'm having difficulty getting anyone to answer how Republicans would make certain that old folks had health insurance in the event Medicare were privatized or eliminated.  Seems odd.



funny stuff

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"The word of the day is "obsessed"."

Not at all obsessed, I couldn't understand your 'come to the debate podium with me' and 'round table' fantasies all these years and I found a post that helped explain your obsessions.
dewy, you like to nail people down on their answers, that's why you said you ask so many questions, to get people 'on record'.  I'm doing nothing more than research on what one may have said on a particular topic and then look back on it.  I enjoy seeing the evolution, flip flopping and lift off points of some of our participants.  Remember, your new hobby was personal behavior, not politics any longer.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Friend of mine was getting gas and saw a young man in the military pumping gas too so she paid his bill...he ran over and said "thank you". She replied "no thank you for all you do and for accepting my gratitude". My DD, now a young mother with a baby of her own, was watching the news on PBS with me and they were interviewing a woman who was describing the atrocities being brought on children in Uganda...she looked at me and said "mom that could be me if I were not safe here in the USA". We need more of this kind of living...that's my plan anyway. To live my life in gratitude for all I have. I am not in favor of going to war over any little slight brought against us but I do believe we have the right to challenge anyone who takes aim at us.


One of your better posts EVER.

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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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