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bluedog

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Woody, I have to ask.....Is it right for the U.S. to tell another country how to arm themselves?....Do we have the right to tell Iran, or any other country, they can't have nuclear weapons?...I am curious as to what you think about this...

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To all you knowledgeable fans
of all the nuclear power countries, which one has used the bomb ??????
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To all you knowledgeable fans
of all the nuclear power countries, which one has used the bomb ??????

We have used it and nobody has had the balls to provoke us to use it again.  If they try to rattle their sabers those jackwads in Tehran are going to find themselves glowing in the dark and any survivors will find that the desert has turned to glass.


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To all you knowledgeable fans
of all the nuclear power countries, which one has used the bomb ??????

We did, and other countries realize we will do it again to save American lives.

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Woody, I have to ask.....Is it right for the U.S. to tell another country how to arm themselves?....Do we have the right to tell Iran, or any other country, they can't have nuclear weapons?...I am curious as to what you think about this...


I think it would be a terrible thing for Iran, who arms Hezbollah, and other terrorist groups, to obtain nuclear capability. I will ask you in return, would you be OK with terrorist groups who have attacked us, having access to nuclear weapons from Iran? What world do you live in? With our porous borders, any terrorist group could enter our country with a low yield nuclear device, or dirty bomb at this point, and render a major population center uninhabitable for a decade or more. Do you trust a terrorist sponsoring country with a very strange leader who has an apocalyptic vision to have nuclear weapons? Are you that naive?? I think so. And I do not think I am alone in my opinion.

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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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Woody, one more question for you...Have you ever worn a U.S. military uniform in any foreign country, wartime or not?

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No I have not, but why would you bring that up Sir? Does it have any bearing as to the fact that Iran will soon have nuclear weapons? Are you making an attempt to shame me for not serving in the military? Would you care to personally ascertain my combat readiness in defense of God, Family and, Country??  Oh, and by the way, answer my question.
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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Woody, no need to be defensive.....Any pont I make has nothing to do with your combat readiness......Your ego seems to be well intact....And, you are correct, you are in the majority and I am not....So, we're, both, probably where we wanna be....

 

There will not be some big nuclear war in the world, no matter who has nuclear weapons....Israel attacking Iran's nuclear facilities will not be a really big deal if they choose to do so....Iran doesn't have a mighty military...Israel does....They have fought before....Iran wants no part of Israel's military...They know they'd be overwhelmed....Neither does Hezbollah....

 

Woody, one thing....Our Creator doesn't need your protection.....He does the protecting for his followers...

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Iran wants to provoke a military action by Israel to fulfill the prophetic messages of the 13th Imam. Iran fought an American backed Iraq led war to a stalemate in the 1980's, and sacrificed. at least 1, if not 2 generations of males in combat. Do not be so quick to dismiss the seriousness of their jihad, and hate for the great Satan that is America. Now if you talked to the modern Iranian, they would say this is insanity, that no one wants war, but the public does not run Iran, the Mullahs, and an insane person who vows to eliminate Israel from the map does. Who do you think runs the country, and what Mullah has been contacted regarding their intentions towards securing nuclear weapons? Do you think the citizenry, or college students have any bearing on political matters in Iran? Would you set by and allow the Iranians to hand low level nuclear devices to operatives sitting in Mexico right now? They can be in major population centers within 48 hours. This is not a matter that can be passed off. The Iranians have made a statement that they will seek nuclear capabilities. They have announced that they will attack Israel. Do you see a prophetic message, an international calamity sparked by Iran, a shutdown of oil supplies to the EU, and a China/Soviet march upon the oil fields of the Saudis, and a swing towards Jerusalem? Just asking.
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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If those radicals running Iran want to see Allah so badly then let's accomodate them by setting up an impromptu meeting for them by dropping a 10 kiloton nuke in their backyard.


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No, that is not the course of the prophecy. A troubled time, would include the USA. We will not be immune from a terrible calamity affecting all the worlds nations. We have open borders, so our enemies are free to attack us. Troubled times are in the future, and our nations leaders do nothing to secure our southern flank. When attacked, will all the citizenry, and politicians be politically correct, or will they scream to shut down our borders from foreign attack? Some people have been asking for quite some time. Just saying. Of course if you live up North, it's not your problem right?
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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No, that is not the course of the prophecy. A troubled time, would include the USA. We will not be immune from a terrible calamity affecting all the worlds nations. We have open borders, so our enemies are free to attack us. Troubled times are in the future, and our nations leaders do nothing to secure our southern flank. When attacked, will all the citizenry, and politicians be politically correct, or will they scream to shut down our borders from foreign attack? Some people have been asking for quite some time. Just saying. Of course if you live up North, it's not your problem right?

Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye & Charlie Sheen. The russians came through Alaska and the Rockies.  The cuban and nicaraguan armies walked across the US/Mexico border.  Hope that doesn't happen here ever.


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bluedog - With your strongly religious bent you must have heard of the golden rule - "He who has the gold makes the rule".  Sovereignty used to be a big deal.  In a world grown small, now not so much.  Read "The Mouse That Roared".   Frank
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No, that is not the course of the prophecy. A troubled time, would include the USA. We will not be immune from a terrible calamity affecting all the worlds nations. We have open borders, so our enemies are free to attack us. Troubled times are in the future, and our nations leaders do nothing to secure our southern flank. When attacked, will all the citizenry, and politicians be politically correct, or will they scream to shut down our borders from foreign attack? Some people have been asking for quite some time. Just saying. Of course if you live up North, it's not your problem right?

Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye & Charlie Sheen. The russians came through Alaska and the Rockies.  The cuban and nicaraguan armies walked across the US/Mexico border.  Hope that doesn't happen here ever.

 No, the Russians, and Nicaraguans aren't going to attack us. They don't have to. The Southern border is wide open. Any small terrorist group can attack us, targeting petro chem plants, population centers, and head on up North. No one is stopping them. Why would anyone mount a military offensive, when a small group of insurgents could bring the country to a standstill with a well planned attack on infrastructure, or a shopping mall. Nobody but our Government and Military can stop this, but they don't out of political correctness, our borders are wide open. Where will you stand on immigration the day after? Will it be an inconvenience because your flight is canceled? Will it be an outrage because your gasoline price doubles overnight?Will it be terrible that Marshall law has been enacted in those "Southern states"? Such a terrible inconvenience to those unaffected by geographical boundaries.

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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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No, that is not the course of the prophecy. A troubled time, would include the USA. We will not be immune from a terrible calamity affecting all the worlds nations. We have open borders, so our enemies are free to attack us. Troubled times are in the future, and our nations leaders do nothing to secure our southern flank. When attacked, will all the citizenry, and politicians be politically correct, or will they scream to shut down our borders from foreign attack? Some people have been asking for quite some time. Just saying. Of course if you live up North, it's not your problem right?

Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye & Charlie Sheen. The russians came through Alaska and the Rockies.  The cuban and nicaraguan armies walked across the US/Mexico border.  Hope that doesn't happen here ever.

 No, the Russians, and Nicaraguans aren't going to attack us. They don't have to. The Southern border is wide open. Any small terrorist group can attack us, targeting petro chem plants, population centers, and head on up North. No one is stopping them. Why would anyone mount a military offensive, when a small group of insurgents could bring the country to a standstill with a well planned attack on infrastructure, or a shopping mall. Nobody but our Government and Military can stop this, but they don't out of political correctness, our borders are wide open. Where will you stand on immigration the day after? Will it be an inconvenience because your flight is canceled? Will it be an outrage because your gasoline price doubles overnight?Will it be terrible that Marshall law has been enacted in those "Southern states"? Such a terrible inconvenience to those unaffected by geographical boundaries.

Woody - I was just using an example.  I know that we are in more danger from a terrorist attack on us soil than from a conventional invasion by another country.  I say Kill Them All & Let God Sort Them Out.


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I was a militarty brat in a foreign country for a short time and went to school in another country and played sports in another country. I also served in uniform in a foreign country.

 

An invasion force would be seen and known long before it organized and got to our borders. And no one is planning to invade because no enemy has the military might to strike objectives, take out key locations, mobilize across our borders, capture key locations, and hold them. Not by land, sea or air.

 

And nomatter how tight the borders you cannot stop terrorist. They have existed since the dawn of man in every nation and civilization. Anyone willing to forfeit their own life to succeed can. And any group wanting to hurt us will do it from within. They don't need to cross borders--they have people already here as legal citizens. Many people have a price and traitors and sympathizers exist. They will have been citizens for many years and made their plans from within and outside for many years. You cannot protect from legals who turn or those who come here legally with intent for mayhem. It is like driving your car. You can be aware of all the other drivers and even the times when someone runs a light or almost hits you lane changing...but if you are driving  and entering the freeway and someone decides to drive their car down the one-way street in the wrong direction right at you to hurt you then you have to react to it at that moment and most times you will get hit. They are willing to die to make sure their car plows into yours. You did not see it coming or even know they were going to drive full speed at you on a 1-way street. You couldn't prepare for it or prevent it. You can lessen the damage with your reaction is the best you can do. Reacting to a bad situation.

 

National security isn't about being fair...you take away some freedoms from people to make sure the majority are safe. This also means not letting other hostile nations develop nukes. Even if you have to put your foot down on the issue. There is no reason for them to develop nukes except to use them so why let them. It isn't fair but that is life...world politics aren't fair and as far as we are concerned "america first". Those who want us to all hold hands and sing...wake up. And those who don't like our military can realize the military fought so you could have the right to protest and be douches.

 


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Friend of mine was getting gas and saw a young man in the military pumping gas too so she paid his bill...he ran over and said "thank you". She replied "no thank you for all you do and for accepting my gratitude". My DD, now a young mother with a baby of her own, was watching the news on PBS with me and they were interviewing a woman who was describing the atrocities being brought on children in Uganda...she looked at me and said "mom that could be me if I were not safe here in the USA". We need more of this kind of living...that's my plan anyway. To live my life in gratitude for all I have. I am not in favor of going to war over any little slight brought against us but I do believe we have the right to challenge anyone who takes aim at us.
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The other argument is does society/govt/whatever have the right to make such rules? 


woody - OK, I moved our debate over here.  A couple of weeks ago I tried to get to the bottom of this issue.  Since you are not in favor of the Medicare program, I wanted your opinion on how this would work in your world.  Paul Ryan wants to provide vouchers, (you probably don't even want to go this far), to be used for private insurance when one is 65.  My question, does Government mandate private insurance companies to sell these policies to old folks?  It appears we have to but many here say that's Unconstitutional to tell private enterprise what to do.  Secondly, if these companies don't want to sell a policy to a 90 year old, do they simply price it too high or can the Government set standards to avoid this happening?  Again, Government meddling in private enterprise.  Hope you and other Conservatives chime in.
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If the government had not started a scam on the health care industry that is medicare, we may have lower HC cost. The fact that multiple layers of government, both state and federal, pay out an increasingly lower amount each year for services to providers, is why many providers are denying services to medicare recipients. Soon, many hospitals will either deny admittance, or modify entrance of medicare covered individuals. What you are seeing is the same thing that exist in the UK, and the EU. The wealthy, and politically connected have a separate health care system than the general population. It is called socialism, and those with wealth, and or government and political ties, are afforded privilege over the common citizen. This is what socialism begets, common misery. 

PS go back to the other thread, and answer my question about illegal aliens voting.

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woody - No doubt Medicare needs attention but the question appears to remain unanswered.  In a world without Medicare and a world without Government telling private enterprise what they must do, our elderly are extremely vulnerable.  I've made the case for Medicare from my Democrat perspective and I'll await the case from the opposition.  And wait and wait and wait.  Good night.   

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Dewey it has been shown time after time that pretty much everthing govt has gotten into makes it more costly, less efficient, and less, quality, and really tends to lead to monopolization, which is something constitutionally they are supposed to stop.  Medicare and healthcare are no exception to this.  Seniors would have much better care at a lower cost if in the market system with much bigger pools.  Quality of care would have been drastically different as well.  Its all been a nice power grab disguised by saying its a safety net.  Still happening and we are about to go over the cliff and screw the payers forever, as we will be beyond a point of return.
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Dewey it has been shown time after time that pretty much everthing govt has gotten into makes it more costly, less efficient...


sbmom1812 - Unless you can convince me the private insurance companies will be mandated to provide health insurance coverage to old people as well as mandated a maximum price as to not price old sick people out of the market, then there can be no doubt, at least for the elderly, that Medicare is far more efficient and reliable than the private market.  You Republicans scare me when you say Government cannot meddle into private enterprise. 
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Dewey you liberals scare me.  I cant believe you own your own business and are so ignorant.  It is you and the liberals who like to scare to gain power and control and make thinks worse.  Panels who only care about a budget line could give a crap about anyones health.  YOUR liberal buddies set that up and could ultimately KILL ME because I am too expensive for what its worth!  You are a fool Dewey and you need to open your eyes and wake up.  More of what you dont like willl happen with govt control than private!  WAKE UP!
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I cant believe you own your own business and are so ignorant.


sbmom1812 - Now that you got that out of the way, please answer my question and explain why older people need not fear being left without insurance.  Will coverage and price limits be mandated or are we just going to take a chance that the elderly, both sick and otherwise, will find coverage?  Tell me how private enterprise will be more secure and efficient for our older citizens.  Pleeeeeeease!
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DEWEYeveryone was covered just fine before FDR decided to take over everything to empower .  No sytem is perfect I am sure you know, but if you open you eyes you will see govt picks more winners and losers than the free market!  I am getting really tired of people voting to screw me with my own money!  The govt no more cares about you or the elderly than flying to the moon.  Dewey if you dont know free market go grab a book and educate youself with a little supply and demand.  The more in the supply the cheaper and better.  You dont need to be a rocket scientist.  I have seen the insurance and medical system degrade and hurt those you profess to help, but are only hurting, because you wont open up and learn.
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It's my opinion that Republicans tend to have many "theories" on what "should be" but once you ask about the practicality of these theories, they drop the debate.  Once again, Medicare was created to provide access to health insurance to older citizens.  Despite what sbmom says, everyone was not covered back in the day.  Now if we privatize Medicare, as the Ryan plan proposed, then we must also require insurance companies to do certain things.  If these Government mandates are not allowed under the Conservative banner, how does your side possibly believe they can persuade the masses to vote "R"?  I don't know how you get 10% of the vote without a more secure idea for the elderly. 

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dewey and dinger - I know you will never admit it, but more people were alot better off without the govt control of insurance, healthcare, banks, housing, etc...  Your guys are trapping people in poverty and especially alot of elderly and minorities, etc... that you so profess to help.  what was the cost of healthcare and the quality back before Dinger.  It was ten times better.  Docs even bartered because they knew people couldnt afford.  WAKE UP YOU TWO!
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It's my opinion that Republicans tend to have many "theories" on what "should be" but once you ask about the practicality of these theories, they drop the debate.  Once again, Medicare was created to provide access to health insurance to older citizens.  Despite what sbmom says, everyone was not covered back in the day.  Now if we privatize Medicare, as the Ryan plan proposed, then we must also require insurance companies to do certain things.  If these Government mandates are not allowed under the Conservative banner, how does your side possibly believe they can persuade the masses to vote "R"?  I don't know how you get 10% of the vote without a more secure idea for the elderly. 


woody, bhblue, spazsdad - Why don't one of you help sbmom1812 make the Conservative case against Medicare a little more clear?  Should we privatize?  If so, how do we guarantee coverage and affordability for the elderly?
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dinger you dont pay my medical bills! I do along with others and that is why MY costs are so high.  I was raised on a dairy farm even in the '60s and worked hard for everything I HAVE.  Maybe you need a lesson on softness which is what you and the liberals want, which nobody can afford!  Things were much better, but you assume just because people had to work for it it was worse!  I guarantee you less went without then than now relatively speaking, but like I said you dont want to see and admit.  If you guys have your way the govt will be killing people because of lack of funds.  It already happens in socialized countries you just never hear about it as it is not something they want to brag about or let get out.  Unlike the eye surgeries they dont get cause its too long and will do no good.  If my kids had to do without softball that would be fine.  Too many people are too spoiled and that is part of the problem with our country right now anyway.  My history is not the best nut I will do some research and I think it will prove my point even more.  Maybe you should do some research of your own and wake up!
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dewey I dont need anyone else explaining my point of view.  If you choose to distrat that way that is you weakness.  You have not countered one thing I have said.  I deal in that world with work.  I dont know what business you do, but I still cant believe you own your own business, unless your getting a monthly stpend from the govt for your business.
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