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keepinitreal

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Man's a genuis.  Anyone wanna talk about SHTF here?  In a mild tone, not to hurt sensitivities.  Some sensitive souls here for sho.

Talk about what items, techniques you MAY incorporate besides a reliable water source

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On another note, if tomorrow morning, you turned on the tap, and no water came out, if you turned on the light switch and there was no power, if you drove to the grocery store, and the shelves were bare, if the fast food place was out of burgers, if you went to the gas station, and the tanks were empty, how long could you, and your neighbors survive? Two days? A week? I am asking this to try to get a grasp as to how long our society would last in a national, not just a local, state or region wide disaster. How long would you be able to shelter in place before being forced to leave your home and start roaming, and scavenging? I ask this in order to calculate how many days it would take before mass migrations of people left urban areas, and started scavenging rural areas.   




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I'm always up for some SHTF discussions. Seems inevitable to me, the only question is matter of degree and when.
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Come up with a [must have/must do] for each letter of the alphabet, A-Z.  I'll keep it updated

A -===> AMMO, ANTIBIOTICS

B -===> BARTER, BATTERIES, BOOTS, BEER, BOURBON, BLEACH

C -===> CASH

D -===>

E -===>

F -===> FUEL, FIRST AID

G -===>

H -===> HYGIENE

I -===>

J -===>

K -===>

L -===> LIGHT 

M -===>

N -===>

O -===>

P -===>

Q -===>

R -===>

S -===>

T -===>  TOILET PAPER

U -===>

W -===>

X -===>

Y -===>

Z -===>

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W is for WATER
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No water and you have about a week to live if the weather isn't 90 degrees and you don't mind drinking your own urine. Get one of the survival straws for each member of your family. You can drink water from a ditch and not get dysentery. Stockpile antibiotics. Most doctors will give you a script for cefalexin if you tell them why you want it. It's a stable antibiotic that doesn't require refrigeration and has a decent shelf life. Keep a thousand rounds of .22 long rifle to barter with. Maybe a carton of cowboy killers and some batteries as well. If SHTF, and you live in an urban or suburban area, your best bet is to get out before things go bad in 72 hours. I know guys that have pistols and even AR-15s and ammo buried on their travel route to their alamo. If SHTF, LEO and military will be setting up roadblocks and likely confiscating weapons, and anything else they want or need.
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I had a SHTF dry run yesterday.  I cut the bejeebus out of my finger do apple grafts.  The stupid hospital on my insurance plan is about an hour away, and I really didn't feel like going all the way down there.

I considered stitching it myself, but I found some SHTF websites that advised against that, so I flushed it and gauzed and taped it up.  Wasn't too deep, but was pretty long.  Took a few hours to stop bleeding (bled less and less as time went on - only gushed for the first 15 or so).  I changed the bandage after about 4 hours, and it was a mess.  Today, it's better.  I expect it will be ok in 2 weeks.

So, when SHTF does come, I hope there's internet.
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Alcohol, Bactine and neosporine or a generic triple antibiotic

Put the knife down and step back heh

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SHTF

Why weren't you wearing some type of glove while grafting with a sharp knife I presume. Never place your spare hand in front of your cut, always behind the knife

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I had a SHTF dry run yesterday.  I cut the bejeebus out of my finger do apple grafts.  The stupid hospital on my insurance plan is about an hour away, and I really didn't feel like going all the way down there.

I considered stitching it myself, but I found some SHTF websites that advised against that, so I flushed it and gauzed and taped it up.  Wasn't too deep, but was pretty long.  Took a few hours to stop bleeding (bled less and less as time went on - only gushed for the first 15 or so).  I changed the bandage after about 4 hours, and it was a mess.  Today, it's better.  I expect it will be ok in 2 weeks.

So, when SHTF does come, I hope there's internet.


I warned you about the tin foil hat and the sharp objects

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SHTF Why weren't you wearing some type of glove while grafting with a sharp knife I presume. Never place your spare hand in front of your cut, always behind the knife


Cuz I'm stupid.


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[aid5639629-728px-Graft-Grape-Vine-Step-11] 


Yeah, that worked great.  Cutting the slit in the tree, the wood split, and slice a rooney.
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That picture makes it look obviously like it is going to end badly.  Like that saw on that tractor thing. 
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I warned you about the tin foil hat and the sharp objects


Shoulda listened
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That picture makes it look obviously like it is going to end badly.  Like that saw on that tractor thing. 


Agreed.  I didn't hold it like that for cutting the to-be-grafted-wood (also called scion).  Pretty easy to hold it upstream, and whittle away from your fingers.

It was splitting the tree branch that did it.

I had 12 grafts to do, and sliced my finger on the first one.  I was gonna go the hospital, but regained my senses, cleaned it up, wrapped it real good, and finished them up.  I did a better bandage job after the grafts were all done. 

I didn't want the scions to dry out and die, and I didn't want to refrigerate them, since they'd warmed up in shipping.
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Mike, was there any alcohol involvement in that grafting procedure that resulted in bloodshed?  I tend to have more accidents when Jagey is involved.
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When one of my crew gashes themselves, we clean it out and put triple antibiotic on it, then wrap it with friction tape, and a top wrap of super 33 tape. Not sure what the friction tape has in the adhesive, but it works.
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Come up with a [must have/must do] for each letter of the alphabet, A-Z.  I'll keep it updated

A -===> AMMO, ANTIBIOTICS

B -===> BARTER, BATTERIES, BOOTS, BEER, BOURBON, BLEACH

C -===> CASH, CHARCOAL

D -===>

E -===>

F -===> FUEL, FIRST AID

G -===> GUNS, GENERATORS

H -===> HYGIENE

I -===>

J -===> JEEP

K -===>

L -===> LIGHT 

M -===> METAL SCRAP

N -===>

O -===>

P -===> PUMPS 12 Volt

Q -===>

R -===> RUSSIAN ADVISORS, or PROSTITUTES, both are a source of money

S -===> SOLAR PANELS

T -===>  TOOLS, TOILET PAPER, TOOTHBRUSH, TOOTHPASTE, TENT

U -===>

W -===> WOOD

X -===>

Y -===>

Z -===>

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When one of my crew gashes themselves, we clean it out and put triple antibiotic on it, then wrap it with friction tape, and a top wrap of super 33 tape. Not sure what the friction tape has in the adhesive, but it works.


We call the 3M electrical tape "88 tape" for some reason.  I have taped up a few blood blisters, cuts and gashes over the years, it does work

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Cause yall are cheap cable splicers. JK. Super 88 has different characteristics and thermal ratings. When you are tapping a large oil filled transformer, I think I have used Rubber tape, a layer of super 88, and a layer of super 33.
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We also use rubber tape, B sealing tape, glass tape, paper tape and crime scene tape. Gonna have to find me some 33 tape
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We use a lot of Jap Wrap. Buy it by the 10 pack tube.
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Tapes, Scotch 22, 33+, 35, 88
3M Scotch Tapes3M Scotch Electrical Tapes

3M PVC Insulation Tapes



3M Scotch Electrical Tapes include PVC insulation tapes which provide high dielectric strength as well as resistance to moisture, UV, abrasion, corrosion, alkalis and acids. The aggressive pressure sensitive rubber-based 3M Scotch adhesive performs well over a range of temperatures. Fade-resistant coloured 3M Scotch PVC insulation tapes ensure fast identification of electrical phases, cables, leads, piping and safety areas.

3M Scotch PVC insulation tapes provide primary electrical insulation up to 600 volts and are used in jacketing applications for low-high voltage cables and wire harnessing.

3M Scotch Electrical Tapes - PVC Insulation Tapes

3M Scotch Super 33+ Electrical Tape - a premium grade, all-weather PVC insulation tape designed to perform continuously in ambient temperatures of up to105°C (220°F). 3M Super 33+ PVC tape is conformable and suitable for cold weather applications down to –18°C (0°F).

3M Scotch Super 88 Electrical Tape - a premium grade, all-weather PVC insulating tape - it has excellent resistance to abrasion, moisture, alkalis, acids, corrosion and cold weather conditions.

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I think my 88 would have worked just fine on Mike's finger paper cut
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I think my 88 would have worked just fine on Mike's finger razor blade knife with brand new blade cut




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Brand new blade, the worst because they are always sharper than you think
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Brand new blade, the worst because they are always sharper than you think


at least they make nice clean cuts
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Usually those clean cuts are not heavy bleeders. Must have thin blood from the brown water
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Tapes, Scotch 22, 33+, 35, 88 3M Scotch Tapes 3M Scotch Electrical Tapes 3M PVC Insulation Tapes ...

Wow, I was going to suggest "D -===> Duct tape" as an indispensable item until I saw what you and Woody posted...

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