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SkullyMaroo

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I'm highly disappointed with the turnout. There are multiple teams that probably turned the offer down. I'm assuming teams like Houston (if they were above .500), south Alabama, and more I'm sure I can't think of. I personally think this is awesome. Teams like UTA who really turned it around in their conference tournament really wanted this. Kristie Fox loves the opportunity to play after the regular season is over. A team like that and many more who were selected will make the most of it......some see it as an extra trophy, I see it as an opportunity for underrated teams to get their program on the map more.


My supposition is that South Alabama turned it down. Otherwise, based on their selection criteria we would have been in. South Alabama has a young team of mostly freshmen and sophomores. It actually surprises we wouldn't want a couple more weeks working with those young players.

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I'm highly disappointed with the turnout. There are multiple teams that probably turned the offer down. I'm assuming teams like Houston (if they were above .500), south Alabama, and more I'm sure I can't think of. I personally think this is awesome. Teams like UTA who really turned it around in their conference tournament really wanted this. Kristie Fox loves the opportunity to play after the regular season is over. A team like that and many more who were selected will make the most of it......some see it as an extra trophy, I see it as an opportunity for underrated teams to get their program on the map more.


The major problem is the when the games are being played.  They are not on the weekend but Tuesday through Thursday first round and championships Sunday-Wednesday.  Many schools have not yet finished and taking finals.  Pulling  kids out in this format is tough. I wish they would have done a weekend format. That would have also allowed more fans and parents to attend the games especially if they are having to travel.  
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I wonder how this sets up for schools that were eligible - which are still in session and which are done.  A number of schools have finals at the end of April and are finished even before conference tournaments start.

I suppose it's easy to figure out which teams were the AQ for each conference, then of the rest, who were the next 12 in RPI of those who didn't make NCAA tournament.   That would tell you many of the teams who turned down the offer.
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I wonder how this sets up for schools that were eligible - which are still in session and which are done.  A number of schools have finals at the end of April and are finished even before conference tournaments start.

I suppose it's easy to figure out which teams were the AQ for each conference, then of the rest, who were the next 12 in RPI of those who didn't make NCAA tournament.   That would tell you many of the teams who turned down the offer.


This is really bad scheduling for schools on the quarter system.
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This is really bad scheduling for schools on the quarter system.


Are there a lot of schools on the quarter system? Honest question.
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Are there a lot of schools on the quarter system? Honest question.


there are a few in CA, I don't know about the rest of the country. the problem with the schedule is it's in the middle of the week Tuesday through Thursday instead of at the end of the week/weekends. The quarter system schools don't get out until first week in June as the rest of the schools are out of session about now. This week is midterms for the quarter system
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I'm guessing the scheduling is based on several factors, including the relative number of schools on semester vs quarter system and not wanting to directly compete with the NCAA tournament.  For schools on semester who have been done for a couple of weeks, you'd have a hard time getting everyone to just sit around school for another 2 weeks waiting to play.  Also, the mid-week scheduling has to be a recognition that they need some pub of their own to have a chance to survive beyond this year.  I figure there will be some college softball fans who will pay attention to games while the big tournament is not playing.

Speaking of which, are any games being streamed?  All I see are live stats links.  Disappointing that they couldn't get FloSoftball to pick up one or two regions.
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Only 1 P5 team in it - Michigan State.


They lost in game 1 to Murray State in 9 innings, 7-6, on a wild pitch. 

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/softball/2017/05/17/michigan-state-murray-state-softball-nisc/326668001/
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As a person who knows a coach from a mid major - I can tell you there is just no budget for this type of thing.  The NCAA picks up the tab for all travel expenses, etc for teams making it to post season.  This tournament - all expenses are on the school.  This is purely another money making opportunity for Triple Crown.
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As a parent of a player currently involved in this tournament, I can tell you that a lot of these kids were not too happy to be playing in this event. On her team, in particular, the seniors were excited to play another week or two, but most of the kids would have preferred to go home for the summer, rather than playing in this consolation tournament.
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They lost in game 1 to Murray State in 9 innings, 7-6, on a wild pitch. 

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/softball/2017/05/17/michigan-state-murray-state-softball-nisc/326668001/


the region at Pacific is being streamed.  Watched my DD last night online
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As a person completely on the outside, I can see and agree with the sentiments above.  

1)  This is definitely an attempt at a "money grab" for Triple Crown.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Whether it works or not remains to be seen.

2)  I can surely see why some players wouldn't want to play in this tournament.  Softball season is a long grind.  I wouldn't hold it against a kid at all if she would rather the season be over than play in a tournament that is basically meaningless.

3)  It is NO shock that there is no budget for most mid-majors to do this.  The money invested in playing this tournament could be better spent somewhere else within the programs or athletic departments of the teams participating.


I am not trying to crack on this tournament and the players and coaches that do want to play in it, I just don't see it as being a good way to spend money for programs that are already strapped for cash.
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As a person who knows a coach from a mid major - I can tell you there is just no budget for this type of thing.  The NCAA picks up the tab for all travel expenses, etc for teams making it to post season.  This tournament - all expenses are on the school.  This is purely another money making opportunity for Triple Crown.


That was my thought; on both points.
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Well it might not have been in a lot of school's budgets if it wasn't known this tournament was a thing when the budgets were created well in advance of it being announced. Whether or not this is just a money making thing for Triple Crown, let's see if more teams participate next year when they would be able to account for it in a budget.
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I disagree with most.  I think it is awesome.  I wish I had another week of season - ha!  One of the teams that I follow is playing in it, and it looks like they are using the underclassmen and getting some PT for some of the role players.  It will make them better for next year.  I plan to listen to a game at 2:00 from my desk!  More softball is always good!
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According to the Justin's World blog, SIUE didn't accept a bid to the NISC for financial reasons.  This was mentioned in a post about Haley Chambers-Book turning down the NPF.
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Triple Crown has tripled the cost of select softball in the last 5 years.  They have purchased local tournaments from local stakeholders who had unique access to fields.  I am disappointed to see them in charge of this tournament.  I would like more transparency about their profit and cost structure.  

As for schools turning this down, you have high last minute airfare costs and the potential embarrassment of losing to an unknown program.  
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Triple Crown has tripled the cost of select softball in the last 5 years.  They have purchased local tournaments from local stakeholders who had unique access to fields.  I am disappointed to see them in charge of this tournament.  I would like more transparency about their profit and cost structure.  

As for schools turning this down, you have high last minute airfare costs and the potential embarrassment of losing to an unknown program.  


That was my thoughts when Triple Crown first announced this tournament; what is their cut out of all of this.  We will probably never know. 

Look at the attendance for several of the regional sites and most were drawing less than 200 for these games.  Not being widely attended.
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That was my thoughts when Triple Crown first announced this tournament; what is their cut out of all of this.  We will probably never know. 

Look at the attendance for several of the regional sites and most were drawing less than 200 for these games.  Not being widely attended.



Nobody watches the NIT either!  People like to compete for the top dawg spot, not 2nd tier afterthoughts!
lovsofbal

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Not a big fan of it either but it is what it is. they did have live streaming from Region 1 (CA).  didn't check out the other regions. 
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As a person completely on the outside, I can see and agree with the sentiments above.  

1)  This is definitely an attempt at a "money grab" for Triple Crown.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Whether it works or not remains to be seen.

2)  I can surely see why some players wouldn't want to play in this tournament.  Softball season is a long grind.  I wouldn't hold it against a kid at all if she would rather the season be over than play in a tournament that is basically meaningless.

3)  It is NO shock that there is no budget for most mid-majors to do this.  The money invested in playing this tournament could be better spent somewhere else within the programs or athletic departments of the teams participating.


I am not trying to crack on this tournament and the players and coaches that do want to play in it, I just don't see it as being a good way to spend money for programs that are already strapped for cash.


First of all, how much money do you think TC is making? Seems like a lot of work for little return, if it even makes money.

Second, do you expect someone to put in the time and effort to try to pull together something like this for free? Should it e a charity?

If there's money to be made, especially if it grows, they should make it. Why shouldn't they?

It's up to each program to decide where to put the money. If they have it and want to invest it in their softball programs, I think that's a good thing.

And I have zero care about who is playing in this, who wins it, etc. But I cannot see it as a bad thing for softball.
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+1 on all points.

And who cares who makes how much money. If the NCAA was putting on this "secondary" event would that make it more attractive? NOBODY complains about the NIT in Bball...why is this any different? because it's new? Apples to apples comarison...It's mind blowing people are complaining about an entity taking a serious financial interest in our sport &, providing a reputable platform for programs to continue their seasons. 

A Hofstra fan earlier talked about not playing because of "pride" & "history"...then revealed it was exam week anyway. OK, I get exam week but, if Hofstra made the NCAA, all of sudden exam week becomes secondary to softball. So it's ok if it's the NCAA....

Come on guys, change is inevitable. This is good for our sport regardless of who is putting it on. Year one will always have speed bumps etc...I'm sure there will be adjustments next year. Money is always an issue whether it's the NCAA or the NIT. 

Pretty confident, this event will soon become a resume builder for both coaching jobs & player recruiting. Kids want to play, coaches need to coach, the more games the better. 

To the detractors, what would make this event OK to play in? 







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+1 on all points.

And who cares who makes how much money. If the NCAA was putting on this "secondary" event would that make it more attractive? NOBODY complains about the NIT in Bball...why is this any different? because it's new? Apples to apples comarison...It's mind blowing people are complaining about an entity taking a serious financial interest in our sport &, providing a reputable platform for programs to continue their seasons. 

A Hofstra fan earlier talked about not playing because of "pride" & "history"...then revealed it was exam week anyway. OK, I get exam week but, if Hofstra made the NCAA, all of sudden exam week becomes secondary to softball. So it's ok if it's the NCAA....

Come on guys, change is inevitable. This is good for our sport regardless of who is putting it on. Year one will always have speed bumps etc...I'm sure there will be adjustments next year. Money is always an issue whether it's the NCAA or the NIT. 

Pretty confident, this event will soon become a resume builder for both coaching jobs & player recruiting. Kids want to play, coaches need to coach, the more games the better. 

To the detractors, what would make this event OK to play in? 



not playing in the middle of the week would be better. As mentioned before the first round was during Mid terms. The finals round starts on Sunday. Some teams are heading straight to the next venue. Knowing where the finals venue was going to be ahead of time would help teams budget, as it wasn't determined until after the regionals


Teams like Hofstra who have their pride and rep to uphold have the option of playing or not. so that shouldn't be an issue. Basketball teams in the past have bypassed the NIT in the past. I was pleased to
see Mich St. play. They used it to get youth the experience of playing in a real tourney situation. Plus a friend's daughter plays for them.



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