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her1fan

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I have not seen much discussion on this tourney that has been approved for this year.   I think it's a great opportunity for the ladies to continue to play if they don't make the NCAA's. In reviewing the NISC website it seems to be very organized and are doing their due diligence on selecting teams.  From what I read it sounds Triple Crown wants to make it a mainstay like the NIT in basketball and with the NFCA backing I'm sure it will grow.  I'm curious to hear the pros and cons...

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I know no one is interested in anything but NCAA selection and how can you blame them.

However, in the long-tern the NISC should be great for the growth of the sport.

Having said that it should interesting to see how many teams from the Power 5 conferences (Big 10, Big 12, ACC) accept NISC invitations? The only non-NCAA team from the SEC and Pac 12 looks to be Stanford. I believe they will not be NISC Eligible, although don't know that for sure. However, a ton of ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 teams should be eligible and selected. I am curious to see if any turn down the selection due to perceiving it an inferior tournament.

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Nothing like a trophy for just showing up.
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I know of a team that had to turn down their invitation because with this tournament you have to pay extra for it. I don't remember all the extra cost to it. But the athletic departments are tight when it comes to money and softball. If it isn't necessary, athletic departments are not allowing teams to go because of the $$$$$[rolleyes]
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Wonder how many of those same athletic departments would turn down a WBB NIT bid. We all know how big a money drain WBB is on a department. My guess is none.
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Nothing like a trophy for just showing up.


Kind of like the trophies for the champions of conferences who can't compete in the field of 64 already.
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I guess I don't see the negative. Players get to play more games. Coaches get to work with their players a couple of more weeks potentially. I don't see it as trophy hunting or getting a trophy for just showing up.

There are at least 3 division 1 post season basketball tournaments not named NCAA championship that allow another 70 teams to continue their seasons.

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I guess I don't see the negative. Players get to play more games. Coaches get to work with their players a couple of more weeks potentially. I don't see it as trophy hunting or getting a trophy for just showing up. There are at least 3 division 1 post season basketball tournaments not named NCAA championship that allow another 70 teams to continue their seasons.


I don't see any negatives either. If the schools want to go play then they should. If they don't then don't go. Teams opt out of the NIT in basketball from time to time.


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I guess I don't see the negative. Players get to play more games. Coaches get to work with their players a couple of more weeks potentially. I don't see it as trophy hunting or getting a trophy for just showing up. There are at least 3 division 1 post season basketball tournaments not named NCAA championship that allow another 70 teams to continue their seasons.
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Agree.  I think this is a nice enough reward for the 80% of teams that have no realistic shot at getting to the big tournament (short of winning their conference championship tournament) that I would expect coaches from schools that send their teams will use it as a part of their recruiting process over other schools who won't fund their team's participation.
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Wonder how many of those same athletic departments would turn down a WBB NIT bid. We all know how big a money drain WBB is on a department. My guess is none.


Difference being I do not believe there is an entry fee that has to paid for the NIT in bball
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Difference being I do not believe there is an entry fee that has to paid for the NIT in bball


Those schools lose money playing in the WNIT. It's about exposure to recruits and additional practice time.

Hell football teams lose money going to smaller bowl games where they get paid $500,000 to $750,000 to attend.

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Wonder how many of those same athletic departments would turn down a WBB NIT bid. We all know how big a money drain WBB is on a department. My guess is none.


I wonder if players graduating & going on to jobs would stick around for this?

WBB is a bit different since they are still in their academic year.
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Unfortunately there is still ALOT of athletic departments that don't want to put ANYTHING extra into softball. It doesn't matter to them if it would help recruiting. They don't really care about it especially at the mid-major level. I didn't say all but I did say a lot. That is of course changing slowly but thankfully it is changing. But a lot of softball budgets keep getting cut at the mid-major level and they give more money to their football programs and coaches. The change that has helped softball is having a lot of supporters whether they are boosters or fans push for more. 
The idea of an NIT for softball is great. But there are some not too excited about it because it means more $$$ [tounge2]
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Unfortunately there is still ALOT of athletic departments that don't want to put ANYTHING extra into softball. It doesn't matter to them if it would help recruiting. They don't really care about it especially at the mid-major level. I didn't say all but I did say a lot. That is of course changing slowly but thankfully it is changing. But a lot of softball budgets keep getting cut at the mid-major level and they give more money to their football programs and coaches. The change that has helped softball is having a lot of supporters whether they are boosters or fans push for more. 
The idea of an NIT for softball is great. But there are some not too excited about it because it means more $$$ [tounge2]


All true, but I still think there might be some concern for the AD who doesn't send his/her team at the risk of getting replaced by a lower finishing team in his/her conference.  Bad optics, and that is something they do worry about.
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Those schools lose money playing in the WNIT. It's about exposure to recruits and additional practice time.

Hell football teams lose money going to smaller bowl games where they get paid $500,000 to $750,000 to attend.


True, but they have to lose money plus pay a fee for the right
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Kind of like the trophies for the champions of conferences who can't compete in the field of 64 already.



Which conferences would those be?
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Another tournament for teams to feel good about making a tournament... Waste of time and money.
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Another tournament for teams to feel good about making a tournament... Waste of time and money.


It's good to know that the girls who love the game and would be excited about the experience don't give a crap about some lonely internet troll
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There are zero negatives. It's good for the game and in no way does it diminish or dilute the NCAA dance. It's also not mandatory if your team is invited so, the money issue is a non issue. That's a BS excuse. One thing for sure, any negative posters on this site would come unhinged if their respective team did not go if given the oppt. 

Somebody give me a rational downside to this new tourney?
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There are zero negatives. It's good for the game and in no way does it diminish or dilute the NCAA dance. It's also not mandatory if your team is invited so, the money issue is a non issue. That's a BS excuse. One thing for sure, any negative posters on this site would come unhinged if their respective team did not go if given the oppt. 

Somebody give me a rational downside to this new tourney?



There is no downside, the NCAA tournament expansion from 32 to 64 is virtually the same thing. Does anyone really think Georgia, Missouri or South Carolina will win the national title this year? How about Texas St or Marshall? Wisconsin, Ohio St? Oregon St, Utah? Still no. Surely Oklahoma St or Texas? No? Notre Dame or North Carolina? Huh. looks like everyone is getting a participation trophy except for about 16 teams with a legitimate chance.


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It's a nice chance to play but can be expensive for teams doing so. Take UNCW, for example. Without this tournament they were finished on Thursday. They go to Wilmington have end of year meetings and head home as school is out. Now the school will need to pick up the costs for housing and feeding the team for as long as they remain in the tournament not to mention the venue costs for hosting or travel costs.  This is a team that hasn't flown anywhere in a decade and this season didn't leave the Carolina's except for conference play.    
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Doesn't the Mary Nutter charge teams a registration fee or make them buy a bunch of tickets to play?
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Without trying to upset anyone, I believe this tourney is going to help grow the sport. That is what postseason is about. The idea of schools getting extra practices, more games and the opportunity that some have not had. Like the idea of traveling away to a venue where they would have never gone is wonderful. The idea of equality for women's sports is one of the main objectives, I for one see absolutely no downside to this tournament. I hope many SA s get some more time on the diamond and are able to enrich their college experience.
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It's a nice chance to play but can be expensive for teams doing so. Take UNCW, for example. Without this tournament they were finished on Thursday. They go to Wilmington have end of year meetings and head home as school is out. Now the school will need to pick up the costs for housing and feeding the team for as long as they remain in the tournament not to mention the venue costs for hosting or travel costs.  This is a team that hasn't flown anywhere in a decade and this season didn't leave the Carolina's except for conference play.    


The expense issue is a legit concern however, as a poster wrote earlier, the optics of a school not willing to assume the marginal expense of sending their team aren't very good. Again, at least half the teams will get another chance to play a home game which is good. To repeat, it is voluntary so the money issue is a non issue. 

We will learn tonite who's in who's out, and no doubt there will be a few teams kicked to the curb who rightly deserve to be playing. Really, every SEC team has earned the right to the NCAA...doubtful.  The ACC should send 4 teams as I've been reading...no way. As this event progresses year to year, it will evolve into a tourney where inclusion is a resume builder, just like basketball. Our sport is getting ever stronger, and this event will help in that progress.


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Teams and brackets announced http://www.womensnisc.com/news/officials-announce-postseason-nisc-tournament-brackets
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Only 1 P5 team in it - Michigan State.
lovsofbal

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26 teams. What happened to 48?
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26 teams. What happened to 48?

I'm highly disappointed with the turnout. There are multiple teams that probably turned the offer down. I'm assuming teams like Houston (if they were above .500), south Alabama, and more I'm sure I can't think of. I personally think this is awesome. Teams like UTA who really turned it around in their conference tournament really wanted this. Kristie Fox loves the opportunity to play after the regular season is over. A team like that and many more who were selected will make the most of it......some see it as an extra trophy, I see it as an opportunity for underrated teams to get their program on the map more.

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It's the first year. A previous softball NIT existed, if I'm not mistaken, and died a quiet death because the finances just didn't work.

I'm hopeful this one will grow and catch on -- probably would have been better to start smaller, like 16 teams, at first; maybe even make it single elimination over a few days to put it all in one place and offer something different with more urgency. But I'm not shocked or even disappointed that some schools declined to participate the first time around. If it grows and gains traction, more teams will want to participate.

A smart move would be for Triple Crown to do an early-season tournament like the Preseason NIT to help the brand. Find a good host site in the South or Southwest and hold a February tournament like the NFCA used to do -- give teams the option of not flying to California (and paying an entry fee on top of travel expenses by being forced to buy a block of tickets to participate). You'd probably get some SEC and Big Ten and ACC and Big 12 teams, and others like JMU and ULL would probably flock to it because it's affordable.

By having a 'preseason' event and attracting some bigger-name schools, the name brand and profile would increase -- and organizers could build relationships with coaches and administrators -- and more of those schools that fall short of the NCAA Tournament might be more interested in associating themselves with the postseason event.
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