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HenryLouisAaron

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<< Any chance Barnhill & Carlson will be required to follow the rules in 2018? >> (outofzone)

Since it never even came up in their "rules meeting"... 
it seems highly unlikely. 
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<< Any chance Barnhill & Carlson will be required to follow the rules in 2018? >> (outofzone)

Since it never even came up in their "rules meeting"... 
it seems highly unlikely. 


Well, Auburn will need any advantage they can get this year, legal or otherwise.

As far as Barnhill, there should be an asterisk next to every K & win. 


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Someone has the minutes of the rules meeting?
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<< Paige Lowary emerged in a role that allowed her talents to thrive.  We could see her become stronger in each appearance.  I saw the pitchers of the year in the final series against Florida... Kelly Barnhill wasn't included. >> (surfinusa)

I got a good laugh out of your Barnhill comment.
But Kelly did have a truly awesome NCAA season in 2017. Her stats were outlandish... until she came up against OK. It will be interesting to see what she does in the 2018 NCAA season. If she gets better... that will really be something.

The only thing that was more outlandish than Barnhill's pitching stats this past season... 
was how they (the NCAA powers that be) let her accomplish them "illegally".


Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance.  The much ballyhooed and well paid SEC isn't that strong in softball.

eSECpn has millions of reasons to make them sound like the second coming of Arnold Schwarzenegger but even as they bragged that all their teams made the playoffs, only Florida, A&M and LSU broke through to the WCWS.  The Aggies and Tigers both went quietly in the early rounds.  Florida, a team that nearly was good as the Sooners, dominated the Pac 12 as did Oklahoma. 

Beth Mowans, on eSECpn, nearly wet her pants with her verbose idolatry of Barnhill giving up only one home run in the regular season.  That was before Knighten tuned up Ms. Kelly to close out a long night of softball. IMHO, Gurley was Florida's best pitcher after Barnhills' initial starting innings.  Barnhill's reputation would have remained lily white if she hadn't returned to relieve Gurley.

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<< IMHO, the only way the Sooners don't repeat is if they forget their forged identity of being a gritty, "whatever it takes" team or mess up or if key injuries take away vital weapons.  Florida was in the same class of team as the Sooners, but I noticed a significant drop-off after that for WCWS teams in terms of athleticism, talent and focus.  

The Championship is there to win for the Sooners. They can only beat themselves not to repeat. >> (surfinusa)

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<< Patty is filling the stable with pedigreed fillies.  She told one recruit that she "only recruits the elite of the elite" to come to OU.  The architect for the new softball complex expansion had better allow for a whole lot space for the trophy case.  There will be plenty of brass that the Sooners will bring home in the future. >> (surfinuas)

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I love the Sooners and will be rooting for them.
But you really should be a bit more careful about counting your chickens before... 

It is NEVER easy to win the WCWS - nor is it even easy to just get there. 
I think they probably have the best chance of all the teams... but would you really take them over the field..?
So many things can happen along the way.
And I think it's a bit too much to to say... they can ONLY beat themselves. 
Some other team may emerge as a world beater.
And many times - a team that is not as talented - just happens to get really hot at the right time. Oklahoma could end up on the wrong end of that situation one of these years. 

I say just enjoy the season as it unfolds - and let's see how great this team might be. 


My disclaimer is "hidden" in the sentence just like all the exceptions that an insurance policy has for not paying up:

 "or mess up or if key injuries take away vital weapons."  Granted, the Sooners at the beginning of 2017 had a case of the yips and it took a month to settle them down.  I'm more confident now because of the way they had to dig deeply to find their individual and team character due to adversity.  One reason Florida couldn't drive the stake in the heart was because they hadn't really been challenged the entire year.  They hadn't built up that 'survival muscle' necessary to carry them all the way.

The only certainties are death and taxes.  I'm not taking anything for granted.  Geez, when you lose to North Dakota State and then are taken to extra innings against Tulsa (a good team, btw), you sit on the edge of your seat if you are paying any attention at all.  

All I am saying is that the freshmen and sophomores that won the last two years have the table set.  With their accumulated experience, it is theirs to lose.  I won't back off of that.  They know what it takes to win on the biggest stage with the biggest TV audience in the sport's history.  Having to only replace one player is as good as it gets.  I don't know how they lose unless they "mess up or if key injuries take away vital weapons"

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Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance.  The much ballyhooed and well paid SEC isn't that strong in softball.

PUHHHHlease

Walton brings the kid back in after cooling for an hour and a half following a 7-inning stint, and she gets touched up.

Boy, some of you mopes dreadfully overplay your hands

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PUHHHHlease

Walton brings the kid back in after cooling for an hour and a half following a 7-inning stint, and she gets touched up.

Boy, some of you mopes dreadfully overplay your hands



Walton had to bring her back.  Gurley was done for the night.  I'm a mope eh?  Link me to a game with another team with Oklahoma's stats that Barnhill dominated.  Let me compare.  You throw around ad hominen attacks like they were dead fish.

I didn't overplay my hand.  The brass is in Norman, not in Gainesville.

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Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance.  The much ballyhooed and well paid SEC isn't that strong in softball.

eSECpn has millions of reasons to make them sound like the second coming of Arnold Schwarzenegger but even as they bragged that all their teams made the playoffs, only Florida, A&M and LSU broke through to the WCWS.  The Aggies and Tigers both went quietly in the early rounds.  Florida, a team that nearly was good as the Sooners, dominated the Pac 12 as did Oklahoma. 

Beth Mowans, on eSECpn, nearly wet her pants with her verbose idolatry of Barnhill giving up only one home run in the regular season.  That was before Knighten tuned up Ms. Kelly to close out a long night of softball. IMHO, Gurley was Florida's best pitcher after Barnhills' initial starting innings.  Barnhill's reputation would have remained lily white if she hadn't returned to relieve Gurley.


So you saying Big 12 is better than SEC in Softball?


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<< Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance. >> (surfinusa)

I enjoy a good joke about KB as much as anyone (because of her "leaping" stats), but.... 
Kelly pitched against a LOT of other teams during the 2017 season that were not in the SEC - and she dominated pretty much every one of them. 
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<< Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance. >> (surfinusa)

I enjoy a good joke about KB as much as anyone (because of her "leaping" stats), but.... 
Kelly pitched against a LOT of other teams during the 2017 season that were not in the SEC - and she dominated pretty much every one of them. 
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If not for Backus & Holland Arizona would have won 5 in a row.


But the Cats didn't. That's why the Cats need someone like Makayla now.

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So you saying Big 12 is better than SEC in Softball?




I would not say the B12, top to bottom, is on par with the SEC. There's no question that the top of the B12 -- OU, Baylor -- is as good as the top of the SEC, Pac, ACC. I think Oklahoma State is coming on as well, and there's no good reason Texas can't be there. I wish more B12 members played softball. Can't believe TCU, WVa don't field teams. Seems like if you can have women's soccer (as both of them do), you should have softball.
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I would not say the B12, top to bottom, is on par with the SEC. There's no question that the top of the B12 -- OU, Baylor -- is as good as the top of the SEC, Pac, ACC. I think Oklahoma State is coming on as well, and there's no good reason Texas can't be there. I wish more B12 members played softball. Can't believe TCU, WVa don't field teams. Seems like if you can have women's soccer (as both of them do), you should have softball.
Nothing to disagree with there
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I would not say the B12, top to bottom, is on par with the SEC. There's no question that the top of the B12 -- OU, Baylor -- is as good as the top of the SEC, Pac, ACC.


Evidence / results over the past few seasons would certainly seem to support this conclusion. Yet many of the SEC / PAC faithful regularly claim that the Big XII's best would finish no better than 4th to 6th in their conference. What's the name of that Egyptian river again????
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Evidence / results over the past few seasons would certainly seem to support this conclusion. Yet many of the SEC / PAC faithful regularly claim that the Big XII's best would finish no better than 4th to 6th in their conference. What's the name of that Egyptian river again????
Baylor would have been 3rd or 4th in last year's Pac. Oklahoma? If they played like they did in the postseason in 2016, they could have won the conference.
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Baylor would have been 3rd or 4th in last year's Pac. Oklahoma? If they played like they did in the postseason in 2016, they could have won the conference.


But not in 2017?
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Its hard to win a national title and even harder to win back to back titles and almost impossible to win 3 in a row . With so much technology and very smart coaches and players. If one team can do it in this era it could be Oklahoma. I mean senior 2 senior pitchers who has experience, one who had 2 years experience playing for a national title. A junior class who has won back to back titles and one of the best coaching staffs in the country. We'll have to see
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OU fall schedule -- includes Oct. 29 DH vs. Arkansas.

http://www.soonersports.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=31000&SPID=127251&SPSID=750355
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Barnhill's gaudy numbers tell us more about the anemic bats of the SEC than it does about her pitching dominance.  The much ballyhooed and well paid SEC isn't that strong in softball.

eSECpn has millions of reasons to make them sound like the second coming of Arnold Schwarzenegger but even as they bragged that all their teams made the playoffs, only Florida, A&M and LSU broke through to the WCWS.  The Aggies and Tigers both went quietly in the early rounds.  Florida, a team that nearly was good as the Sooners, dominated the Pac 12 as did Oklahoma. 

Beth Mowans, on eSECpn, nearly wet her pants with her verbose idolatry of Barnhill giving up only one home run in the regular season.  That was before Knighten tuned up Ms. Kelly to close out a long night of softball. IMHO, Gurley was Florida's best pitcher after Barnhills' initial starting innings.  Barnhill's reputation would have remained lily white if she hadn't returned to relieve Gurley.


Great post, beach boy guy. And probably one of the most honest and factually accurate I've seen since I joined the board this spring (I'm not counting my own posts, of course. LOL).

The SEC is a paper tiger, and its minions, which include the NCAA and the national media, have fooled themselves into believing that no other conference can compete against the powerful SEC teams and their world-class athletes.  In truth, Florida is the only team in that conference that has ever distinguished itself on the national stage.
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Great post, beach boy guy. And probably one of the most honest and factually accurate I've seen since I joined the board this spring (I'm not counting my own posts, of course. LOL).

The SEC is a paper tiger, and its minions, which include the NCAA and the national media, have fooled themselves into believing that no other conference can compete against the powerful SEC teams and their world-class athletes.  In truth, Florida is the only team in that conference that has ever distinguished itself on the national stage.


In all fairness, despite the disgust in my voice, Alabama has been a consistently talented team and have had a few stand out pitchers.  Patrick Murphy, the Tide coach, is a snake of the lowest order.  He argues every call that goes against his team, even when there is clear evidence that he won't persuade anyone to change their mind.  Yet, Murphy chews on the umpires like a bulldog on a fresh piece of meat.

I've seen Patty Gasso in "heater" mode when she knows she knows she is right.  But she always walks away after saying her piece.  Nearly most of her umpire conferences are for clarification so that the umpires can reveal their own idiocy in contradicting themselves from an earlier call. 

All of that is theatrics but the measure is when the clutch play occurs.  Did you catch the ball? Did you field the ball?  and on the other side, Did you get on base?  Did you score?  Did you take the stolen or extra base when the opportunity showed itself?

And, when it came to pitching, did you throw strikes?  That's it.  For the last two years, the Sooners delivered in clutch situations.  All the remaining conversation is simply saloon talk. 

In college sports, its all about the hardware.

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Let's see if we can cast some perspective on what it takes to win a national title.

In the 2015 season, Oklahoma had the #1 (95) and #7 (84) home run hitters in the history of college softball as well as some other pretty fair hitters.  But, OU didn't make the CWS, losing in the Super-Regionals to Alabama.

In 2016, OU got a group of four freshmen hitters who combined with the returning talent in what was thought to be a rebuilding year.

Senior:  Erin Miller
Freshman:  Caleigh Clifton
Freshman:  Shay Knighten
Freshman:  Sydney Romero
Freshman:  Fale Aviu
Sophomore:  Nicole Pendley
Senior:  Kady Self
Sophomore:  Lea Wodach
Sophomore:  Kelsey Arnold

One senior, no juniors, and two national titles by adding only Hatfield and Mendes to replace Miller and Self.  Once again, only one senior---Hatfield.

You just won two titles with a group of four that came into key positions at the top of the lineup.  It seems that at key times, like in the World Series, all of those four have made significant contributions to winning on center stage.  It's not like anyone doesn't show up.  They seem bigger than life in the CWS, more so than in the regular season.

You lose two great hitters like Chamberlain and Pendley.  But, you replace them with four freshmen who are productive at key times for two years to do what Chamberlain and Pendley had not done the previous year, win a CWS.  Both HAD won, earlier.

Most teams have a couple of really good hitters in the three and four spots, maybe even throughout the top five.  But, one or two may not show up at crunch time.  The really good teams seem to have some players at other positions that take up the slack.  The final game had a big rally to give OU a lead, a rally that was started by the bottom of the order as Hatfield, Wodach, and Arnold loaded the bases, leading to a bases-loaded walk to Clifton and Knighten's three-run double.  They had been 0-19 the night before.

It takes a team, not just a couple of stars.  Four hitters who are productive on center stage trumps a Chamberlain and Pendley, one of whom might have a bad series.

The problem in beating Oklahoma right now is that those four will be here the next two years, and they are building more around them.  It wasn't a couple of individuals.  It was a group, and it isn't easy to build a group to beat them.  It can be done.  But, how do you plan to do it?  Getting a Chamberlain and Pendley may not help.  You really do have to have a Monica Abbott type performance.

I'd like to see Knighten after she has seen Abbott for about four at bats.
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Gasso just got a huge raise.  Lombardi didn't do badly either.
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Gasso just got a huge raise.  Lombardi didn't do badly either.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/ou-softball-coach-patty-gasso-awarded-contract-which-nears-million/article_65776611-8e54-5d8c-9178-a16144ce85b5.html
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Well deserved.
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Well deserved.


I agree, and it would take an idiot to believe otherwise.


Oops!  Sorry, 3leftturns and jayrot.
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English classes weren't real kind to you, were they?
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Thank you for being the grammar police. I wasn't aware perfection was required on the boards or otherwise.

Another news flash for which I don't have a link but Cody Litltle also got a raise. Wait a minute. Probably not true.
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Wonder if Gasso's contract starts the dominoes with the other top-tier coaches in the country? She has to be in first place by a mile now. Surely the $EC will have some nice contract bumps here soon and some of the west coast powers too.
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No doubt... and the assistants, that lombardi number may have a broader impact
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English classes weren't real kind to you, were they?


And that was in reference to what?

I can only surmise that it's somehow related to your "dictionary" fetish.
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