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keepinitreal

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Delete it why dietwatereddown coke?  Cause frank stumbled from a bad dream about his childhood?  What basis?  Some great music on this thread, that would be a waste.  I say Frank delete his first response on the thread and I will delete like for like.  Why delete the thread?  It makes a very valid point, I see why you would want dewy to delete it.

mike, let it be known dewy loves when you scold me, he always has.  While you think it's your business, it's not.  Bolton has been on my ass for years, I let it roll until I get a gut full.  Bolton got much more personal than I ever have with him.  He takes up for his boyfriend [he's a boy and he's a friend] way too much.  I haven't said anything about dewy squatting to pee in months if Bolton didn't say it first.  search it. 

Headed to taco tuesday and drink draughts during my grandaughters softball games.

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I didn't direct my comment at anyone in particular. 

People can take what they want from it - I just said I'd close it.  I would do that because it seemed to me that it was getting off the rails.

I was onboard with the idea of the thread, it just went off track a few posts in, unfortunately.

If I decide to be a pain in your butt, you'll know it. 

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I didn't direct my comment at anyone in particular. 

People can take what they want from it - I just said I'd close it.  I would do that because it seemed to me that it was getting off the rails.

I was onboard with the idea of the thread, it just went off track a few posts in, unfortunately.

If I decide to be a pain in your butt, you'll know it. 



Ouch, but couldn't you buy him a few drinks, and make some small talk first?

Edit: Sorry, it was just a curve hanging there, and well... sorry.

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Mike - I am offended by the spurious use of a deceased person to vilify my posting. Have we really sunk that low?  If so, and I know I've said this before, I cannot remain a poster here.  
Goodbye to all the good people on Miscellaneous - I don't know where this is going either, nor do I want to know.  The Softball forum will keep me involved.   

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JG - I didn't know I was necessarily a  part of this argument.

I was trying to defuse it a tad before it went too far.

edit:  I'm sure you won't agree, but honestly, sticks and stones to me.  I get worse sometimes in real life.

One time, doing a public workshop for a major infrastructure project, a young lady was speaking in opposition.  She was concerned with increased traffic, blah blah.

When she finished her rant, she held up her baby high so everyone could see, and turned to me, and said "when she gets killed crossing the street, her blood will be on your hands".  As you can imagine, the 600 or so folks in the room (mostly opposed) were screaming and yelling at me, some making threats, etc.

That was face to face, and I had to make sure I was prepared as I left that venue and walked to my car that night (stupid thing lasted til about 1 am).

So, there isn't too much that will happen around here that would make me hold my opinions on things.  At least no one is offering to escort me to my car, and open a new hole in my body that I can put my head in.  Figuratively maybe, but not physically and literally.

Sticks and stones.
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Woody, woody, woody.

OTOH, I only live a few miles away from where Deliverance was filmed, so you never really know, do you?  I don't play no banjo though.


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I didn't direct my comment at anyone in particular. 

People can take what they want from it - I just said I'd close it.  I would do that because it seemed to me that it was getting off the rails.

I was onboard with the idea of the thread, it just went off track a few posts in, unfortunately.

If I decide to be a pain in your butt, you'll know it. 



Ouch, but couldn't you buy him a few drinks, and make some small talk first?

Edit: Sorry, it was just a curve hanging there, and well... sorry.
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From 2012:

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Susan - Man, do you ever let up??? I get it.  You don't like the results of the last election and stamp your feet at every possibility that the administration or anyone connected with it might have done some wrong, or your perceived wrong.  Do I have it right because if I don't, I don't understand the degree of your need to attack so viciously? Wow !!        Frank


You seem to be stalking sbmom and jumping on her every post with one like this.  The fact that she is unhappy with this administration does not disqualify her from pointing out some of the reasons for this unhappiness.  Just imagine if someone responded to one of your MANY "Greed is good", "The Washington way", "I've done it all", blah-blah-blah posts with a "Hey, we get it!" post every time you posted one.  There'd be little room for anything else on here.  Now, do I have it right because if I don't, I don't understand the degree of your need to attack so consistently?  Man, do you ever let up???


Not the first time I've mentioned the stalking. You seem bothered by the fact that she is not with us anymore. I'm pretty sure you knew at the time she was dangerously I'll and it didn't stop you from stalking her. Now you're offended by my spurious use of a deceased person? I wish I had the time to search all the times I referred to but I don't. Bottom line - I'll not be apologizing for anything.

As to kir, you're darn right better me than you. Besides, neither he nor I have the formal education to truly appreciate your superior intellect. Talking something as mundane as softball only gets one so far.
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Dewey - My mention of kir's honesty referred to him in general. I wasn't commenting on any post on an Internet forum. However, I doubt he does any false posturing when posting here.
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I guess I no longer have any idea what this thread is about.

Honestly, if I was a mod, I'd close this one. 


Why? Not enough incessant Obama bashing? Fine, you first.
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I guess I no longer have any idea what this thread is about.

Honestly, if I was a mod, I'd close this one. 
Why? Not enough incessant Obama bashing? Fine, you first.


No, because I was afraid that it was going off a cliff that would be hard to recover from. 
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No, because I was afraid that it was going off a cliff that would be hard to recover from.


You're right. kir can be like that really good friend who drives way too fast and scares the crap it of you. But those rides are the makings of some of our best memories - if we survive.
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No, because I was afraid that it was going off a cliff that would be hard to recover from.
You're right. kir can be like that really good friend who drives way too fast and scares the crap it of you. But those rides are the makings of some of our best memories - if we survive.


I wasn't just talking about KIR.  There were lots of folks chipping in.

As the man himself said a few posts back, it's not my business, I suppose.

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mikec - Got it. But it's his thread. He's driving.
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Dewey - My mention of kir's honesty referred to him in general. I wasn't commenting on any post on an Internet forum.


bhblue - Fair enough I guess but it seemed you were saying those who say what's on their mind are "honest" folk.  I'm not sure that's the appropriate word but we'll agree to disagree.  That said, let me ask you one more question and then I'll leave well enough alone.  You've watched your friend stalk me around this forum for years yet you made a personal decision to call out JG for stalking another member.  Can you explain what prompted you to chastise this one supposed example of stalking and completely ignore the other?  Just curious.
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The answer is kiir owns his behavior and is unabashedly honest that he can be a dick. Joisey is a liar about doing the very same stalking and badmouthing that kiir does. Joisey is one of those the thread refers to "why does the left lie"? Own it, embrace it, admit it. Quit the victim angle
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Dewey - IDK. Maybe it's because one is an long-time, off-line friend and one preaches civility and decorum until his "ox is gored". He can't walk the talk. I don't have many soft spots, but I do have one for the terminally ill. I thought JG's constant questioning of Susan's intelligence needed pointing out, so I did. No regrets.
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Joisey is a liar about doing the very same stalking and badmouthing that kiir does.


kiir - I doubt one could find a more inaccurate statement than this in any thread, be it softball, misc, or wherever.  It's just absurd, not to mention extremely insulting, to characterize the most prized member of our softball community in such a manner.  There was a time this community would have objected in great numbers and, if you've proven anything at all,  it's how our remaining members have long since tired of this misc forum and tired of us.  Who in there right mind could possibly blame them?
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Should I have written [IMO]? 
I wasn't asking your permission to write my experiences.  Whether he is a great guy or not doesn't excuse his behavior.  That's the deal about liars, when they get called out they are the 'loudest' in the crowd.  Now are you still compelled dewdy?

P.S. mine was a statement that should have been copied in it's entirety, the pieces fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.  I know we all do it but my post makes sense when taken in context, copied whole.  What you two did was 'fat-jap' my thread and the more you dig, the more you get butthurt

P.S.S.  I think you asked for this explanation, why no comment?  blue just put it in more palatable language than I did but he said the same thing.

"one preaches civility and decorum until his "ox is gored. He can't walk the talk."

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I am deeply disappointed.

I saw this thread had grown so peeked it and regret doing so.
This forum has had it's ups and downs but I have never seen it get to this point of personal attacks and animosity.
Last time it got close to this point ownership warned if it continued he would shut down the misc. section. This is not a right it is a privilege. 

It will get worse before it gets better. Difference here than on fox news or msnbc is those people get paid to argue and hang out afterwards talking ratings.
There is no longer debate--just yelling at each other. And when someone doesn't respond they are chided to respond. We all came here together because of our love of softball.
Political debates bring out the worst in people. Facebook as well as forums. People are talking at each other not to each other.

There are a lot of good people here. 
If dewey, dinger and joisey left the forum the politcs debates would be over. Doesn't work with all liberal nor all conservative views. Why do you think msnbc and fox always bring people in to speak for the other side---so they can argue with them. Same if those on the right left. Dewey would twiddle his thumbs with boredom. Each side needs the other to keep the debate going. Like itchy and scratchy. Like tom and jerry. 
Delete this thread...pretend it never happened.....and resume the debate fresh without personal jabs.

I leave this thread with this
[office_space_meme] 


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keepinitreal

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I will not delete the thread. I asked joisey to remove his personal attacks on me from his 2nd or 3rd post on this thread, he declined. I didn't ask for myself, I suggested it to salvage my thread minus his bullschitt. I don't really want him to delete. There's nothing I've written I won't stand behind elsewhere.

I'll write more later fhoenix but dissect the whole discussion and be real. My points are valid and you also fell into the trap.

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Real - I get it -and you on the contrary, are "fair and balanced".  How head shaking laughable is that?  Are you really that brain dead?? "Dewdette"  - Naw I stand to pee, can fire a helluva BAR to effect, served my country in wartime, think for myself, used to kick ass in bars (too old now and don't really care to anyhow as that doesn't define me as a man), was a better than average athlete (basketball, baseball, football, men's elite softball - loved racketball), coached football, basketball, baseball, and softball, and read a lot - and you??  Oh yea, that's right - Semper Fi !!  Both the dress uniform and the record of marines in battle for our nation are impressive !! I guess we can forget the reading part.  I do believe that you "protesteth too much" about your manhood and everyone elses' as well (check your shrink for the reason for that).    Insecure?  Tiny ?? Little man's complex?  Lots of possible reasons. Are you a woman? (what a gas that would be !!!).  Do you squat and giggle??  Are you a gay man?    Just curious about why anyone would be so skewed in his definition of manhood, and why he would use that definition to try to define everyone else.  .         [rofl]   [rofl]  [wave]  

PS - Excuse me for reverting to your tactics and silly "manhood" definition, but after a while your crap gets very, very old.  Dewdette indeed !!!!!  If that means that I disagree with you in the world of ideas mainly, I'm flattered.   Dewey, by the way, has far more restraint than I and we don't always agree.  Good man that.  I am not particularly proud of this post, but it had to be said by someone - are you at all intraspective??  Clinical?  If you are clinical, I apologize for writing this.  If not, you need to hear it.


I need to bookmark for later

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What is really the issue that you are complaining about most fhoenix? Be precise here. Is there a fact that you want to argue? Some are uncomfortable when confronted with inconvenient truths.

You have predicted the demise of the misc forum every year for 5 to 6 years. you have even authored threads on the subject. How ironic it seems to boil over on a thread titled as this one.

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"If dewey, dinger and joisey left the forum the politcs debates would be over."

Some people have suggested this very thing (The end to politics debate). They have all 3 left for days and weeks at a time and the forum moved on with or without them. Just as it did when others left

Politics ain't pretty in real life, this forum isn't a cross section of real life? What has been said here that's not said in public everyday? Is there some kind of higher ground that you purport goes on here? Come down from your perch

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Same if those on the right left. Dewey would twiddle his thumbs with boredom. Each side needs the other to keep the debate going.



fhoenix - While I agree with the rest of your post, please know yours truly enjoyed 6 or 7 years in this softball forum before some decided it was time to mock and denigrate left thinking individuals, primarily Obama.  I never twiddled my thumbs as it was much more enjoyable back then.  I've promised several times to drop all politics as soon as others commit to do the same.  I agree it would be best for this softball website.

I'm not suggesting you're asking anyone to ignore the comments of others but plug in the name of a softball Coach in place of POTUS and practice the same condemnation.  People wouldn't ignore such comments and I'm certain they would loudly object to a daily anonymous pounding of any individual Coach or program.  Better yet, use an individual member name.  How long would this community stand by and allow Joisey to be criticized, mocked, berated, etc., before they'd stand up and speak out in objection?  I hope not long.

I know many think it would be best to ignore these often ugly comments in hopes the personal attacks go away.  As even they admit, it isn't going to happen.  For me, I see the word ignore as "code" for look the other way.  Better yet would have been dozens more members making posts like yours condemning inappropriate comments and personal attacks.  If the owner isn't going to police the location, the community is going to have to do so.


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"
Are you a gay man?"
"epitome of blindness"

"caricature of yourself"
"How childish can one get?" 
"
You strike me as a thinker who would listen only to himself"
" I appreciate the tone of your reply as it validates my post"
"How babyish can you get?????"  
"Damn, you can be disappointing"
"What a waste of good intellect"

etc..

"Your posts are too long",
"Your posts are too brief",
"That post has TMI", 
"That post didn't answer the question", 
"Your posts are vile",
"Your posts are disturbing",
"You post too often and follow me around", 
"You post too infrequently, therefore are discounted", (special rocklifter rule)
"You post too much about obama, you are uninteresting", 
"You call us libtards, therefore your posts are automatically null and void". 
"Your posts are full of emotion"
"Your posts contain too much hyperbole" 
"That post is too angry"
"Your posts are too vitriolic"
"You are too uncivil"
"You are ill-mannered and hurt my feelings"
"You should allow our jokes and puns and avoid seriousness at all costs as we play"
"Hijacking a thread is encouraged and promoted by the rule makers"
"Are you really that brain dead??"
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check your shrink"
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Insecure"
"Tiny??"
"Little man's complex?"
"Are you a woman? (what a gas that would be !!!)"
"Do you squat and giggle??"
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Real - You are the dumbass (you just don't know it)"


All these posts/rules but one have been written by joisey and dewdy.  Those are without going past the beginning of this year.  There are many many more when we go back to what Susan and I caught before she passed.  You see what people are talking about when they say 'own it'?  You don't get to chastise and judge one without taking your own medicine.


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Almost every Conservative inside this forum think they are smarter than the President of the United States.  He's an idiot, incompetent, ill prepared, ignorant, inexperienced, confused, and stupid.  Interestingly, one Conservative has the wherewithal to suggest I supposedly think I'm smarter than the average bear.  The double standards in here are more than incredible and they just go on and on and on.
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Almost every Conservative inside this forum think they are smarter than the President of the United States.  He's an idiot, incompetent, ill prepared, ignorant, inexperienced, confused, and stupid.  Interestingly, one Conservative has the wherewithal to suggest I supposedly think I'm smarter than the average bear.  The double standards in here are more than incredible and they just go on and on and on.


You forgot dingbat and narcissist, which just about covers it (for the POTUS).
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Almost every Conservative inside this forum think they are smarter than the President of the United States.  He's an idiot, incompetent, ill prepared, ignorant, inexperienced, confused, and stupid.  Interestingly, one Conservative has the wherewithal to suggest I supposedly think I'm smarter than the average bear.  The double standards in here are more than incredible and they just go on and on and on.


You almost got the list of incompetence of the POTUS complete. Give it another week, and Obama will give you another moment of clarity as to his complete and total incompetence to be the leader of the free world. The guy is irrelevant, and incompetent at best, and a danger to the freedom of free nations, and an aid and comfort to terrorist at worst. He is a terrible CIC, and I cannot hold any other President up to his complete failure.

I didn't like Carters presidency, and thought he brought America down in stature. He too will go down in history as a less than effective POTUS. That being said, I know of nobody that will say that he was a man of bad character, and was anything but a humble person doing what he thought was right for our country. Disagree as you may with his politics, and skills of leadership, the man had a good soul. He was just not a good leader. Compare that to the complete opposite that is Obama. Obama lies to the public, twists words, uses racism to divide our country, and sides with terrorist to take our nation down a peg. Carter is a good man, I cannot say that about Obama.

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Dewey, if it helps at all, I don't think I'm smarter than anyone.  I also don't believe that BHO is a dummy.  In fact, he is shrewd and very smart.  He has proven that.  Somehow, he has convinced the left and Dems in Congress in particular that his agenda is good for this country when these same Congressional leaders are allowing him to usurped their power in Congress.  That is my dummy view.  Hey, I'm just a hick from the sticks. 
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