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keepinitreal

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Abortion, socialism, welfare and the worst culture of corruption ever in our country.  It really is laughable when the libs saythey give to the poor and not the rich.  Chicago is perfect example.  They buy votes and enslave the poor,  have their thug union middle class, and all the rich that barter for senate seats and keep the downtrodden there to enable their political power.  Welcome to chicago america!
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  They buy votes and enslave the poor...


I think I already proved votes aren't bought, at least as far as the electorate goes.
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dewey you are laughable.
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Nasty, nasty !! Boehner says that the Obama administration is out to annihilate the Republican Party.  The administration sees Boehner and McConnell as being out to destroy the Democratic Party.  And these are the people who run our government currently and to whom we turn for rational governance.  Does anyone care about what happens to our nation, or are they too embroiled in being Party or personally "right" and vindictive and powerful to care about anything else, especially the needs of our common nation?  In my lifetime, even during Vietnam, I have not seen nor heard such hateful rhetoric, and my nation bleeds and bleeds.  FUBAR   Frank


PS - Dewey is not "laughable", and Susan, what are you from an opposite perspective if you prefer such labels?  Mini me our governmental infighting Party attitudes????  It truly saddens me because it serves no positive purpose for me and mine and you and yours.  Hurling rocks with hateful intent, in the end, winds up being hurling rocks with hateful intent, and nothing more.  Ignoble and unworthy of humanity and its nature given intellectual gifts.  Sad use of possibilities.

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dewey you are laughable.


sbmom1812 - Food stamps and unemployment is doled out at the State level.  Thirty out of fifty Governors are Republican.  How is this possible if the "takers" have been bought off?  I'd like to hear your theory.  Thanks.
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Very interesting article about the liberal instinct to "fix" the planet using faulty data and assumptions.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323485704578258172660564886.html

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Dewey - is it not the Federal government that decides the policies regarding unemployment including how long the benefits will last?
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Dewey - if you think votes are not bought you might be the poster child for naivete.  If votes aren't bought, why was there a total of $2 billion raised and then spent for the presidential campaign?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

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pabar - If you are suggesting that political elections are overly influenced by money "donations" with expected political return and that media input and influence is excessive, you are spot on.  If you are suggesting that political parties base their ideology on getting votes, you are spot on again.  If you are suggesting that the Democratic Party panders to people on welfare to get votes, that is debatable.   Frank
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I'm suggesting everything you mentioned.  I don't think there's any doubt that the Democratic party benefits by having more people dependent on government largesse.  I don't think the Democrats need to pander - everyone knows that the Democrats will always provide more benefits to the "disenfranchised" than will the Republicans.  Democrats favor amnesty for illegals because they creates more votes for Democrats.  Democrats are against voter ID laws because that tends to impact the poor more than other socio-economic levels and the poor tend to vote Democrat.  But, in general, both parties pander and the Democrats pander to the poor.
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I want to cry this article is so brilliant.  It perfectly describes how liberalism equates to failure.  Obama's very policies create the exact opposite effect of what he espouses to want.  Hey CalRoxMySox, please call me stupid again.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/012213-641470-inequality-problem-worse-under-obama-economic-policy.htm

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pabar - Of course, I agree there's a disgraceful amount of money being spent by politicians to persuade the voters.  I agree with Joisey.  But that's a far cry from the accusation that a Party is intentionally putting people on the dole to buy their vote.  I find that ludicrous and the facts don't bear it out. 

Millions of workers lost their jobs in our great recession and I suspect many of them rightfully hold others accountable for their unfortunate situation.  And I'll agree if one Party tends to understand their plight, it may lead to the Party's advantage.  Same can be said with regards to Hurricane Sandy.  Some may think the hesitation of the GOP, to help these folks through their tragedy, was a good sign the GOP wasn't trying to buy votes but I would argue it was more a sign of a failure to provide for our citizens in a very trying time.  A better example of purchasing votes might be found with that mogul in Nevada.  He spent millions in support of various GOP candidates in what must be a much better example of a direct purchasing of votes than any of the examples used by some of our members inside here. 

Finally, I'd argue that using terms like moochers, parasites, and leeches, to describe our troubled citizens, particularly during these extremely difficult times, will more accurately explain the votes of the less fortunate.  We know full well that unemployment is usually a bad sign for the re-election of a President but, in this election, I think the GOP's dismissal of the plight many citizens are experiencing, probably ruled the day when it came to their vote.
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I don't believe the GOP dismisses the plight of those in need.  Conservatives believe that the best way to help someone is to not enable their ability to remain in a dependent state.  Ultimately, conservatives are far more optimistic about a person's ability to lift himself up than are liberals.
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pabar - The article notes the flat years during the Bush Administration, when his tax cuts were supposed to result in economic growth, and then goes on to measure the years immediately following the worst financial collapse in our lifetimes.  After what this President inherited, how can one possibly be surprised by the downward trend that followed?  Follow this up with GOP obstruction, debt ceiling fights leading to credit downgrades, and a four year publicly announced effort to limit this President to one term, and one might be surprised we aren't mired in a deep depression.  As for the President's economic policies, they've been halted at every stop for two years running now so not sure how one can grade them.  Thankfully, the American public was bright enough to understand the obstacles placed in front of President Obama and I only hope he finds a way over these hurdles to successfully grow the middle class once again.  It won't be easy.

PS:  When I say dismissal, the Romney 47% video, the Ryan "makers and takers" speech, and the term "nanny State", repeated over and over again by many on the Right, tends to support the suggestion, particularly to those less fortunate.
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dewey you truly are laughable with sayings like the debt ceiling fight leading to credit downgrades.  Your Obamas spending caused that and you know it whether you want to say it or not.
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Thank you pabar.  Totally agree.
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sbmom - You continue to find not so nice adjectives to place on me but the one you never use is patience.  I'm still waiting to hear your response to any of my challenges to your theories.  You say Obama is spending recklessly and then you deliberately avoid my challenge to tell me what these last five years of spending should have been, in a sbmom Administration, based on the eight year history of spending prior to 2009.  Compare your total to the Obama Administration.  You repeatedly make comments that Democrats are cheating, stealing, and buying votes to win elections but when I challenge you to explain why we have 30 Republicans to 19 Democrat Governors in the US, you deliberately avoid an explanation.  You refer to this Administration as far left and purposely ignore my examples that will help me determine what you consider far left.  I understand you're very upset with Obama but I can't understand your unwillingness to substantiate your accusations and theories. 
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Dewey I have given you examples which you dont like and conveniently ignore.  I am tired of playing your games.  You can choose not to accept this admin has spent a trillion more than they should have each year if you want.  Everybody knows you are living in a fairytale land by doing that.
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sbmom - I'll continue to remain patient.
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Dewey I have given you examples which you dont like and conveniently ignore.  I am tired of playing your games.  You can choose not to accept this admin has spent a trillion more than they should have each year if you want.  Everybody knows you are living in a fairytale land by doing that.


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Dewey I have given you examples which you dont like and conveniently ignore.  I am tired of playing your games. 


No kidding.  And the beat goes on.



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kiir - I'll just take one example.  Can you please show me where sbmom explained the many Republican Governors in this Country if the Democrats have successfully locked up, stole, and cheated to the point they own the poor and minority vote?  Please don't join in the chorus suggesting these debate questions have all been addressed.  Better to simply say I have no interest in addressing them.
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dewey all I can do is speak for MY state because I don't live in any of the 29 others that have Republican governors.  I mentioned before that the 7 counties that surround mine ALL voted red again in the last election.  My county, that includes Houston, voted blue for the last 2 elections for the potus election.  I was so disappointed in where my county as a whole has gone since I was a boy and yes I have told you before, I am very disappointed in America for being such a country of beggars and handouts.  We still vote republican for governors, judges and most other state, national and county offices however.   And of course obama did not win Texas, just my county.  When the takers outnumber the makers we will have a 20 year run of socialist presidents, we may be there now. [I have posted my definition of socialism and the very distinct likenesses between socialism and democrats and I wont do it again]

I think voting blue definitely says something about where this country is going.  I say leeches, parasites and moochers vote blue as evidenced in the metropolitan Houston government subsidized population.  Did that help explain anything?  Not interested in debating SS recipients and veteran's benefits as you like to muddy the waters with talk of those people.  People who have payed into SS and veteran's have paid their dues. 


The majority of Texans still have a work ethic and for now we outnumber the leeches, parasites and moochers.  The day will come I know where that will not be true, I can only hope I die first.  That's how serious I am about it.

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keepinitreal - Thanks.  I think we both know the Democrats have not successfully stolen or bought the Texan's votes.  If you look at this link, it shows how eight of the ten wealthiest States voted blue while the ten States with lowest average income, all went red.

I'm not suggesting the lower income people don't tend to be Democrat.  However, it is but a couple of points below what the Presidential vote was and a small part of the entire picture.  I see the Republican got 54% of the over $100,000 vote so is it safe to say they've been bought off with tax promises by the GOP?  I would think not.  To say Democrats are putting people on the dole to earn their vote is to dismiss their lead among the young and the Hispanics to name just two.  Too many variables are involved for such a far fetched and blanket statement and I thought it deserving of more substantiation than sbmom was willing to provide.

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You are just proving my point dewey.  That the libs are just as much for the rich and enslave the poor.
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Consider the following statistics, each measured on the day of Obama's two inaugurations:

Long-Term Unemployed - 2.7 million to 4.8 million
Workforce Dropouts - 50.1 million to 54.6 million
Food Stamp Recipients - 22.8 million to 46.6 million
Price of Gas - $1.85 to $3.30
High Unemployment States - 22 to 39
Misery Index - 7.83 to 9.46
Typical Monthly Family Food Cost - $974 to $1,023
Median Value of Single-Family Home - $196,600 to $186,100
Rate of Mortgage Delinquencies - 6.65% to 10.77%
U.S. National Debt - $10.6 trillion to $16.4 trillian

Now, I already know the liberals are going to say that Obama inherited the worst economy ever, that it takes awhile to dig out, that we have to give him time.  None of it's true.  He's had four years to fix this and, as I've already shown, the deeper the recession the stronger the recovery should be.  In his first two years, he had a completely compliant Congress and could do whatever he wanted to do to fix the economy.  Instead, he chose to tackle healthcare.

We'll revisit these stats in two years to see where it goes.  I'm not hopeful now that Obama is not constrained by an election to pursue his true liberal ideology.

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You know, anyone can list casualties of war or casualties of an economic tragedy and hang them on a President.  At the end of the day, I'm not sure where it gets you.  At the end of a four year term, maybe you got something.

PS: I could prove to you this President is not fully responsible for the growth in debt but it would require your participation.  By the way, I have a friend that if I measure his status from five years ago, it's kind of sad.  However, if I measure him from 18 months ago, I couldn't be prouder.  Progress can be measured in oh so many ways.
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Dewey - only you can take absolute facts and dismiss them.  Like I said, we'll look again in two years and see what the excuses are then.

By the way, I fully understand that no president is ever fully responsible for growth in debt.  Even someone in middle school realizes Congress must be a willing participant.  But we've had that discussion.  The point about Obama is that he doesn't care about the debt.

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