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Dewey

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I asked a Conservative friend of mine, (well kind of), to chime in on many of the issues I've brought up over the last several months and here are the responses.  If readers engage in discussions with their Conservative friends, see how successful you are at gaining answers to the following questions.  You might better understand their reluctance after reading these explanations.



1)  Agree/disagree - Justice Roberts was correct to call the Obamacare penalty a tax.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I pick agree, then I'm forced to accept the fact the health care law is constitutional.  If I pick disagree, I'm agreeing with Obama that the penalty is not a tax.  I can't agree with Obama so I'll have to refuse to answer.


2)  Agree/disagree - A citizen should be born on US soil, base, territory, or similar, in order to qualify to become POTUS.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I pick agree and Sen. Cruz runs for President, I'll be supporting him for President and I'll come off as a hypocrite.  If I pick disagree, then I'll lose my ability to condemn Obama as a likely foreign born President, in the event Sen. Cruz doesn't run.  Therefore, I can't answer this question.


3)  Agree/disagree - A State/City law prohibiting firearms inside State/City parks is an infringement on our second amendment rights and should be declared unconstitutional.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I pick agree, I'll alienate voters who might consider voting Conservative as it's already been decided that cities have a right to pass laws banning guns in public places.  They'll think I'm crazy to suggest these laws are unconstitutional.  If I pick disagree, I'll be unable to argue how folks are denying me my second amendment rights, by voting to limit carrying weapons into certain places, and I'll look like I'm not a gun rights guy.  Therefore, I cannot answer.


4)  Agree/disagree - We should phase out Social Security over time.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I say I agree, I'll alienate voters who will think Conservatives want to eventually eliminate SS.  If I say I disagree, I'll come of as supporting entitlement programs and promoting a nanny state.


5)  Agree/disagree- We should slowly replace Medicare with vouchers to be used by the elderly to purchase private insurance.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I say I agree, I'll alienate voters who will think Conservatives want to eventually eliminate Medicare.  If I say I disagree, I'll come of as supporting entitlement programs and will appear to be a non self-reliant advocate.


6)  Agree/disagree - A sick individual in need of significant medical care, who chose not to purchase health insurance despite earning enough money to afford it, should receive hospital care at the expense of society, (he hasn't enough assets to cover his very costly medical needs).

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I say agree, it will go against all my principles of being self reliant.  Each person should cover their own needs.  If I say I disagree, I'll alienate voters who will think Conservatives support letting folks go without care if they fail to be self reliant.  Therefore, I cannot answer.


7)  Agree/disagree - Bill Clinton is/was a Socialist.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I agree, then it will come off as if I'm suggesting every Democrat is a Socialist.  That would cheapen my criticism of President Obama.  If I disagree, people will ask me why he isn't and President Obama is.  I have no specific answer to that question so I cannot answer this question.


8)  Agree/disagree - Spending $40 Billion over eight years to help eliminate Aids in Africa was worth raising our National debt.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I pick agree, my fellow Conservatives will criticize me for spending money we don't have.  If I disagree, I'll alienate voters who will think Conservatives have very little compassion for the needy.


9)  Agree/disagree - American citizens have a right to "preventive care".

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I agree, it will come off as if I'm partly supporting Obamacare.  If I disagree, I will alienate voters who might think access to preventive care is both deserving and critical for all American citizens.


10)  Agree/disagree - The President should have the power to sign executive orders.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I agree, it will come off as if I support some of the decisions President Obama has made.  If I disagree, how do I explain not speaking out when Republican Presidents did much the same?  Nope, I cannot answer this question.


11)  Agree/disagree - Folks with pre-existing conditions should have access to purchasing an affordable health insurance policy.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I agree, it will appear I support one of the themes found in ObamacareIf I disagree, I will alienate voters who will think Conservatives lack compassion and don't care that uninsurable folks are left behind.


12)  Agree/disagree - When including talk radio, internet, and Fox News, Conservative reporters have all the tools necessary to properly vet any and all Presidential candidates, and to reach the necessary audience that needs to be informed.

Conservative - I can't answer this question.  If I agree, it will end my ability to blame the main stream media for all our ills.  It's important to blame them for information not getting out to the masses.  If I disagree, I'll look completely foolish once you consider we have almost complete monopoly of talk radio, the biggest cable news audience, and numerous sources on the internet to spread each and every story that's out there.


13)  Agree/disagree - Banning a fully automatic weapon is not an infringement on our second amendment rights to bear arms but banning a semi-automatic weapon would be an infringement on our second amendment rights.

Conservative - This one I can answer.  I agree.  Fully automatic weapons are fully automatic while semi-automatic weapons aren't.  I think the Constitution is clear on this one.

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Your friend is an idiot.
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keepinitreal

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Agreed "keep them busy answering my 20 questions".  Go back 4 years and you will see a theme.  Dewy always has a new batch of "dewy's questions".  Since 2009, dewy has asked well over 2,000-3,000 questions.  Someone that asks that many questions just flat out scares me.  One time dewy had a thread asking CoachB25  18 or 19 questions that dewy had said, had not been answered by those on 'the right'.  For years and years dewy has asked questions and people have just shaken their head at the insane and inane questioning. 


I haven't seen answers for these questions from Joisey guy, masare, dinger, CalRox, DC, TerpAlum or any of dewy's ladies.

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Your friend is an idiot.


Not an idiot, per se, just imaginary.
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Your friend is an idiot.


Not an idiot, per se, just imaginary.


Kind of like the imaginary bully described once in dewy's imaginary debate club, that tore his ass up in the imaginary debate

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Dewey - you're a very sad person.  How about this?  

When Obama said he wouldn't sign any bills "without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days" and then he signed Obamacare without adhering to the five day public comment period, did he:

A) Lie in the first place?
B) Break his promise?

When Obama said he would reduce the influence of lobbyists in Washington and then set a record for most lobbyist visits to the White House, did he:

A) Lie in the first place?
B) Break his promise?

When Obama promised that Americans could keep their insurance, period, did he:

A) Lie in the first place?
B) Break his promise?

When Obama promised that Americans's health insurance premiums would be lowered by $2,500, did he:

A) Lie in the first place?
B) Break his promise?

When Obama said for a full week that the Benghazi attacks were caused by a video when he knew within hours of the attack that it was a terrorist attack, did he:

A) Lie?

When Obama told Americans, "You didn't build that." did he:

A) Show contempt for Americans everywhere?

When Obama said prior to the 2012 election that Al Qaeda had been "decimated" even though they are now taking over Iraq, did he:

A) Lie in the first place?
B) Have no clue what he was talking about?

I could ask 100 more such questions.  Your little game is ridiculous but it's nice to know that at least you have the imagination to create make-believe friends.



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Just wait.  It was revealed yesterday that he met with Sebelius something like 18 times in the last two months before the Obamacare website launch.

Then, he goes on TV and tells everyone "I had no idea the website wouldn't work".

Does anyone really believe he was never told, in all of those meetings, that there were issues?

The clothes are coming off the emperor.

I worked with a guy one time who told huge, preposterous lies.  He told everyone he had been a helicopter pilot in Vietnam, and that he traveled as a back up singer for awhile after that, before settling into his job.  He also lied about his project experience.

The lies were so big, no one dreamed they could be lies.  Nobody would tell lies so big that it would be easy to expose them as lies, right?

Well, as it turns out, some folks were talking to one of his past clients, and they mentioned he was on board.  The client never heard of him.  That led to a few a little sleuth work by some of our co-worker amateur detectives, and they exposed the others.

The thing is - he made a bunch of money, attained a position of authority, and got away with it for about 4 years before being found out.

It is in our nature to question casual fabrications, but not huge ones.

Obama understands this about us, and uses it effectively to misguide the masses.
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pabar - Your list is not remotely similar.  You couldn't ask one agree/disagree question, similar to my examples, that I couldn't answer.  I took questions of policy and ideology that any two people could share in a discussion of our Country's politics.  Your questions were full of false premises aimed at a President you don't like.  If I had written "are Conservatives horrible for our Country" agree or disagree, that would be a false premise.  I did no such thing.  Of course, if your false premises were written properly, I could still easily say disagree.  In fact, I do disagree with all your negative embellished accusations aimed at our President and your examples are more partisan attacks and nothing like my illustration of a Conservative's difficulty when it comes to articulating where they stand on a particular issues.

Again, I challenge you to pick out one unfair question I put forth.  My list is a clear illustration how Conservatives must remain closed to the voting public if they have any expectation of winning a national election.  It's critical that voters clearly see this and if there's anything in this list that is written in an unfair or negative manner rather than as a policy or ideological manner, (#13 aside), please point it out to the readers and explain.  I'll put my trust in their ability to come to their own conclusions.  Feel free to also show the readers how many of these issues you can agree or disagree upon.  You have a chance to prove I'm wrong about the difficulty of stating the Conservative position in these instances.

Btw, the list was made to explain the reasoning and motive behind the many questions I ask inside our forum.  I don't ask these just to hear myself talk.  Hopefully, I've created a more clear picture of the political Right and helped inform potential voters.  They can take this list and try these questions in their own debates and see if they have more success than I have.  As all the TV pundits and all the congressional hearings show, most all information is gained by the information we gather, or fail to gather, from the questions we ask of others.  All I did was list my questions and then attempt to explain why I rarely get an answer.  Each one is there to be corrected or criticized if it deserves such.  I'll be eager to see which ones are called out as unfair.
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The problem is not with your questions but with your made-up answers.  Take question 1 for example.  

I will answer that it is a tax.  Any fee collected by the government is, in effect, a tax.  Why, then, did Obama argue before Obamacare's passage that it is NOT a tax?  He did that specifically to George Stephonopolous in September 2009.  Because if he had done that, it would not have had the less than tepid support that it already had.  Obama lied again.

You think you've cleverly boxed in conservatives when in fact you're arguing that Obama lied - again.  Ho hum.
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What he is doing is blaming conservatives for not answering 'dewy's questions of the month club'.  When in fact this administration goes to far greater attempts at just avoiding to answer questions overall.  When this administration comes clean about Benghazi, IRS targeting scandal, NSA overreach, on obamacare. When they answer some questions that are of much greater import than dewy's 20 questions, then it might be time to focus on dewy's pretend classroom.  silly dewy
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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pabar - Not trying to argue anything.  I'm just trying to encourage Conservatives to go on the record and I did my best to explain why most won't.  It's true, you were the one person to answer number one.  I think my answer illustrates why so many others refused.  Again, if there is anything unfair in the list, or if anyone can come up with better answers, I think the reader would be interested.  Here's your chance to change some minds with answers you believe are better.  I would sure give a more accurate response if it were me, assuming one was available.  In any event, my answers are designed to represent those who couldn't answer.  I fully understand one will completely disagree with my concluded answer to any question they can answer themselves.  You want to try a couple more and explain what is wrong with the answer?  I'd much prefer Conservatives tell our readers where they stand rather than using my educated speculation as to how they view these particular issues.
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If 'the reader' is not participating, then piss on 'the reader'.  If 'the reader' needs to come to this forum for their answers then I pity 'the reader'.   This forum is doom and gloom and no real answers to how to rid ourselves of the shackles of bigger government.  'The readers' need to understand that.  Bigger government is not the answer, really that is dewy's core belief to answer all his questions, That government is the answer.
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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NEWSFLASH - Dewey's imaginary friend isn't a Conservative.

While he claims to have conservative principles, his over arching concern is alienating voters.

Since he's concerned that his Conservative views will alienate voters, the voters he's concerned about alienating must be Democrat voters.

Since he doesn't want to alienate Democrat voters, and won't stand up for his principles, he's obviously a liberal Democrat politician.



Keep your doctor.***
Keep your insurance.***

Two rogue IRS agents in Cincinatti. ***

Benghazi was spontaneous. ***

Let me clear. ***
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FIB - It's fine to criticize the answers from this "Conservative" but I'm confident readers/voters have grown quite weary of those who continuously comment about what's wrong with the thinking of Democrats and Liberals and simply want to know what "your side" thinks.  Just be straight with us for once.  No more vague generalizations like "smaller Government and less regulations".  Time to get specific and explain how these theories are going to effect the survival of SS and Medicare, or if they're intended to increase the conceal and carry laws.  There's a dozen issues of our time listed in my post and almost every average Joe in our Country could easily answer whether they agree with this one or disagrees with that one.  It's not rocket science.

Most individuals can read an issue and know if they agree or disagree.  Not so much for Conservatives.  Ask them if they agree a State law prohibiting firearms to be brought into State park does not infringe on their 2nd amendment rights and they often say, "Dewey, I don't know what I think."  Ask them if they agree that our President should be born on US soil and they often say, "Dewey, I don't know what I think."  Do any of you on the Right truly believe voters/readers swallow such a response?  I would doubt it.  When your side loses a Presidential election, you claim you had the wrong candidate.  Someday you need to wake up and understand you have the wrong responses.

There are a few of these issues Conservatives might give an answer to.  Some of the more moderate members on the Right don't believe anyone is trying to phase out SS or Medicare.  I hope the non-responses clearly shows the contrary is true in the minds of many.  Others may be open to answering whether the Obamacare penalty is a tax, or Presidents should be born in the US, but the rarity of these answers remains glaring.  Readers/voters need to ask themselves why many on the Right remain so evasive.  There are important conclusions to be drawn.

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FIB - It's fine to criticize the answers from this "Conservative" but I'm confident readers/voters have grown quite weary of those who continuously comment about what's wrong with the thinking of Democrats and Liberals and simply want to know what "your side" thinks.  Just be straight with us for once.  No more vague generalizations like "smaller Government and less regulations".  Time to get specific and explain how these theories are going to effect the survival of SS and Medicare, or if they're intended to increase the conceal and carry laws.  There's a dozen issues of our time listed in my post and almost every average Joe in our Country could easily answer whether they agree with this one or disagrees with that one.  It's not rocket science.

Most individuals can read an issue and know if they agree or disagree.  Not so much for Conservatives.  Ask them if they agree a State law prohibiting firearms to be brought into State park does not infringe on their 2nd amendment rights and they often say, "Dewey, I don't know what I think."  Ask them if they agree that our President should be born on US soil and they often say, "Dewey, I don't know what I think."  Do any of you on the Right truly believe voters/readers swallow such a response?  I would doubt it.  When your side loses a Presidential election, you claim you had the wrong candidate.  Someday you need to wake up and understand you have the wrong responses.

There are a few of these issues Conservatives might give an answer to.  Some of the more moderate members on the Right don't believe anyone is trying to phase out SS or Medicare.  I hope the non-responses clearly shows the contrary is true in the minds of many.  Others may be open to answering whether the Obamacare penalty is a tax, or Presidents should be born in the US, but the rarity of these answers remains glaring.  Readers/voters need to ask themselves why many on the Right remain so evasive.  There are important conclusions to be drawn.



This is like putting wax on a 57 Chevy with no motor.
It may shine but it still wont run.

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Would you prefer something that runs but never wins?  [wink]


C'mon rocklifter, how many of the dozen issues can you agree or disagree on?  Please take a shot already.
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I suspect more people are asking themselves if they want to support a political party that took away their doctor. And took away their insurance. And pushed numerous government agencies to conduct mass surveillance on tens of millions of innocent Americans. Do they support a government that uses administrative and law enforcement agencies to intimidate the press, and curtail free speech. They are asking if they can send their children to the schools they choose, or is that a decision best left to the government.

I doubt you get answers to your questions because most people aren't concerned about what you're asking, and that goes for the left and the right. Notice how many from the left have responded. You try to make these questions seem significant. They're not. No one cares You can't take the hint. You're a maniacally obsessed weirdo, and take yourself way too seriously. As I've said before, you should seek psychiatric help. Your obsessions can't be healthy.

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FIB - Might explain why they voted Obama in again in 2012.  Btw, I know full well why I don't get Conservatives to answer but thanks for the tip.
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My mother in law doesn't care if Obamacare is a tax. She just wants to go back to her doctor. She's a lifelong Democrat, but no more. "Not if this is how they're doing things now" she says.

Indeed, there are important conclusions to be drawn.
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FIB - Going to your doctor is a doctor/insurance thing, not an Obamacare thing.  Buy the insurance your doctor has agreed to accept, (he could agree to accept any insurance), and return to your doctor.  No law against it.  I wish your mother-in-law well and hope it all works out for her.

Edit:  I just found a Valentine's Day card from my 3 year old granddaughter sitting on my dresser.  You can't begin to imagine how healthy I actually feel.  Regardless who our President is, I'm so thankful I'm not filled with rage and anger.
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FIB - Might explain why they voted Obama in again in 2012.  Btw, I know full well why I don't get Conservatives to answer but thanks for the tip.


Yup, and Obama has set back the liberal agenda in America for decades. He passed one significant piece of legislation, America thinks it's a disaster, and it's not even fully implemented yet, because Obama refuses to let it take effect. Because it's political anthrax.

As for my mother in law, she knows what the asterisks mean now. She knows she was scammed, along with millions of other good Americans.

Democrats have lost her, and millions more. Now is that a tax?
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FIB - Going to your doctor is a doctor/insurance thing, not an Obamacare thing.  Buy the insurance your doctor has agreed to accept, (he could agree to accept any insurance), and return to your doctor.  No law against it.  I wish your mother-in-law well and hope it all works out for her.

Edit:  I just found a Valentine's Day card from my 3 year old granddaughter sitting on my dresser.  You can't begin to imagine how healthy I actually feel.  Regardless who our President is, I'm so thankful I'm not filled with rage and anger.


Absolutely false.  Obamacare has dictated what insurance can or must cover.  The options as to what insurance is offered to the doctor has been altered forever by Obamacare.
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pabar - That's incorrect.  A doctor's practice is free to determine which insurance policy programs they'll contract with.  It's the insurance Company that is required to design and sell a policy meeting minimum standards.  My understanding is a doctor can agree to accept any or all of these policies sold, assuming he's not connected with only one company through some exclusivity agreement.
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Edit:  I just found a Valentine's Day card from my 3 year old granddaughter sitting on my dresser.  You can't begin to imagine how healthy I actually feel.  Regardless who our President is, I'm so thankful I'm not filled with rage and anger.


Aw, isn't this beautiful! With the blood of 55 million babies on his hands, Dewey invokes the image of a 3 year old's valentine to insinuate anyone who opposes him must be filled with rage and anger.

Are real people so easily manipulated by such liberal tactics?

Was that feel good moment worth losing your insurance? Was it worth losing an entire generation of Americans?

There are important conclusions to be drawn here.
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Would you prefer something that runs but never wins?  [wink]


C'mon rocklifter, how many of the dozen issues can you agree or disagree on?  Please take a shot already.


Id prefer a whole functioning car. With the car we have right now it wont move an inch.
We have no motor and the electrical is fried due to incompetence.

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pabar - That's incorrect.  A doctor's practice is free to determine which insurance policy programs they'll contract with.  It's the insurance Company that is required to design and sell a policy meeting minimum standards.  My understanding is a doctor can agree to accept any or all of these policies sold, assuming he's not connected with only one company through some exclusivity agreement.


Here is one of those Obamacare asterisks.

You can keep your doctor. *

Everything clear now, America?

Oh wait, more asterisks! Some that haven't even been cooked up yet.

Stand by, America.
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pabar - That's incorrect.  A doctor's practice is free to determine which insurance policy programs they'll contract with.  It's the insurance Company that is required to design and sell a policy meeting minimum standards.  My understanding is a doctor can agree to accept any or all of these policies sold, assuming he's not connected with only one company through some exclusivity agreement.


You didn't understand the point.  Obama dictated what the policies would be so doctors really don't have a choice.
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rocklifter - Make vroom for Hillary.
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Dewey invokes the image of a 3 year old's valentine to insinuate anyone who opposes him must be filled with rage and anger. 


FIB - When you suggested I may not be healthy and called me a maniacally obsessed weirdo, I thought a response was in order, didn't you?  In any event, this did seem to be a step or two beyond somebody simply disagreeing with another person's opinion, but maybe that's just me.

pabar - My point remains if you purchase insurance your doctor will accept, you can continue to see him/her.  There is no law against it.
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