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3leftturns

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As were they all
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Originally Posted by 3leftturns

Henry, I get that SoS means nothing to you, but it does to me.

Luckily for you, many people who hand out these awards are like you in ignoring SoS

So, aren't you lucky!!!





The SOS aren't that much different. They just over rate the mid tier PAC 12/SEC teams. Unless a PAC-12 team gets in the national championship game pretty soon, that drought is going to get harder to ignore. Hell the Big 10 has had a team in the game since the PAC 12. But again our boy throws his shots in there. Hell lets just hand out the trophy to the highest RPI team and save the time of all those boring playoff games. I've watched several SEC games tonight. And either the pitching is really good or the offenses are really bad. Besides Georgia most games would put you to sleep by the 3rd inning. And I'm leaning towards stale offenses more than great pitching. 
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Ohio State might want to vote for Alo, reluctantly.  OU 5-0 over Ohio State as Paige Parker and Paige Lowary shut them down.  The Ohio State pitcher did very well, other than giving up a two-run single and a two-run double to Alo.  A good performance marred by four RBIs by a freshman.
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Alo is on pace to best Lauren’s all time NCAA home run record..... she’s that good folks
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Thanks mom.
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Caroline Bowman, Fr. pitcher for San José State, is 10-0 so far this season.
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<< Jordan is making a strong statement to be the one. Elish is scary good and undefeated in college. Have not seen Alo play in big games against tough competition, but she was beast in travel ball. >> (lotsoffish)

Elish is in her sophomore season... not her freshman season.
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Little tape delay on that response, huh, Hammer?
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Originally Posted by midwestfp
Mia Davidson needs to be in the conversation.  One of my favorite travel ball players to watch is having a great freshman season.  

It will be fun to watch her and Mary Haff match up in a few weeks. It should be an entertaining freshman battle.
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 Not sure how Dwyer compares at Stanford and clearly the Pac 12 schedule is going to show us a lot but 97.1 IP 0.79 era and 64 strikeouts is an excellent start to her career and impressive for a freshman. 
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did I miss the FOY top 25 or 50 list? I can't remember how many they start with.
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Thanks for everyone who mentioned other possible candidates for FOY.
Here are the eleven players that have been mentioned so far - with their stats up to date through Tuesday, March 20th.

Six non-pitchers have been mentioned so far. I will list them by their OPS.

Jocelyn Alo (DH/LF) Oklahoma 25-2 (B12)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
27   27   77  36    5    0   12    17   77   1   18    8    1    0    3    1       1    27    30   .468   .567    1.000   1.567

Katie Prebble (1B) Gardner-Webb 20-12 (Big South)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
30   29   82  34    5    1   14    20   83   2   16   11   2    1    3    1       0    25    44   .415   .510    1.012   1.522

Aaliyah Jordan (LF) UCLA 25-2 (PAC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
27   27   77  39    9    2    6    17   70    0   13    3   2     1    3    0      2     27   36    .506   .566     .909    1.475

Mia Davidson (C) Mississippi State 25-4 (SEC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
29   29   93  40   10    2  10    22   84   4     5   11   2    0    2    1      0     31   29    .430   .471     .903    1.374

Bryanna Novegil (2B) Stephen F. Austin 15-12 (Southland)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
26   26   75  37    4    5    0      9   51    4   15   8    0     2    0    0      0     21   15    .493   .596     .680    1.276

Delaney Smith (CF) Memphis 20-7 (ACC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
27   27   75  29    2    2    1      5   38    0   12  13   0     2   20    1     0     27     4    .387   .471     .507     .978

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Five pitchers have been mentioned so far. I will list them by their ERA.

Mary Haff (P) Arkansas 23-5 (SEC)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
19   14  90.1  13    7   0.54  13-2    2  35   4    0    4     8    51    7   11  128   4    0    5   304    9.92   1.39   0.62    .115  .165  .168  .333

Gabbie Plain (P) Washington 29-2 (PAC)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
13   10  56.1   6    5    0.62    9-1   0   27   1    0    1     2    31   3   19   74    5    0    0   196    9.20    2.73   0.25   .138  .225  .158  .383

Maddy Dwyer (P) Stanford 19-8 (PAC)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
20   14  97.1  19  11   0.79   11-5  3   62   4    3    5    12   87  11   23   64    1    0    9   339    4.60    2.45   0.86   .183  .257  .257  .514

Meghan Beabien (P) Michigan 22-6 (B10)
AP   GS     IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
22   15  100.1  14  13   0.91   15-2   1  46   3    0    4      7   61  12   19  119   6    1    5   344    8.30    2.16   0.49   .134  .205  .177  .382

Caroline Bowman (P) San Jose State 19-9 (MWC)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
18   11  73.1  33  28   2.67   10-0   1  75   9    2    8    19  112   0   22   37    5    1    6   290    3.53    2.10   1.81   .259  .310  .386  .696

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The article that was linked in post #2 on this thread had a poll (with 2,853 votes cast) for the five freshman players they considered to be the best candidates. Here are the results of that poll:
#1 with 41.5% of the votes - Delaney Smith
#2 with 31.5% of the votes - Bryanna Novegil
#3 with 13% of the votes - Mary Huff
#4 with 7% of the votes - Aaliyah Jordan
#5 with 7% of the votes - Katie Prebble

I have NO IDEA why the voting went that way. I guess a lot of voters are impressed with stolen base numbers. Delaney has stolen 20 base and been caught just once. But her batting numbers are relatively weak in comparison to the others on this list.


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If I were voting today...
I would list the pitchers in this order:

Haff
Beabien
Plain
Dwyer
Bowman

Caroline Bowman has a very nice 10-0 W-L record, but the rest of her pitching stats just do not measure up to what these other four pitchers have been doing.

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I would list the non-pitchers in this order:

Jordan
Alo
Davidson
Prebble
Novegil
Smith

Would I go with Haff... or Jordan  if I had to choose one over the other?
I think it would be Haff today.

A lot will be revealed as they continue to play through the tougher part of their schedules.
After the conclusion of the regular season - and then again after the WCWS is over... 
we will have a much better idea of which of these players was the true freshman POY.
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I would enjoy reading the opinions of the others who post here... 
How do YOU rank these 11 freshman players as of today?
Let me know why you disagree with my choices... or if you agree.
And please feel free to add any other freshman you think belong in the discussion.
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Also... I'd love to know if anyone else agrees with 3LT's earlier statement... 
that no player deserves to be in the conversation (with Jordan the winner by a huge margin). 
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I think Alo is going to win the award based on what she has left to play and what Jordan has to play.

Also, the OU Northridge escape was a big notch in her belt and I agree that she deserves that consideration.

She has done against the RPI top 16, but what she did against CSUN, a game that if Oklahoma loses they have a deeply injured shot of hosting Supers, is a big-time event for me.

Sooners in deep doo-doo without out her dinger and then her getting on base and scoring the winning run

Keep trying to tell Hank this is a living document
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3leftturns
I think Alo is going to win the award based on what she has left to play and what Jordan has to play.

Also, the OU Northridge escape was a big notch in her belt and I agree that she deserves that consideration.

She has done against the RPI top 16, but what she did against CSUN, a game that if Oklahoma loses they have a deeply injured shot of hosting Supers, is a big-time event for me.

Sooners in deep doo-doo without out her dinger and then her getting on base and scoring the winning run

Keep trying to tell Hank this is a living document


It’s not just her numbers, it’s the “size” of her HRs and the violence of her hits. Chamberlain’s record is definitely in jeopardy if Alo stays healthy for 4 years.
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Like nicklaus being in the clubhouse with 18 majors that the once-inevitable tiger couldn't catch.... a lot can happen.

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Alo with some separation on Jordan (and whomever else) after today's games.
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<< I think Alo is going to win the award based on what she has left to play and what Jordan has to play. >> (3LT)

Like you - I also think Alo has a very good chance to win the award.
But... my question is which player would YOU vote for? (and why?)

I went with Huff as the most deserving player - when I wrote that update three days ago.
I had Jordan second, Alo third.
I also had Beabien ahead of Plain among the pitchers.
Which of those choices did you see differently than me (based on your own vote) when this was first written?
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<< Like nicklaus being in the clubhouse with 18 majors that the once-inevitable tiger couldn't catch.... a lot can happen. >> (3LT)

I will be surprised if Alo gets to 30 HR as a freshman this year (as Chamberlain did in her freshman year).
And I will be even more surprised if Alo manages to hit 60 HR through her first two seasons (as Chamberlain did).
But I do think Jocelyn has a realistic shot at getting to 95 career HR... and could become the first player to break the 100 mark.

But, like you said, a LOT can happen between now and the end of Alo's college career.
Staying healthy and injury free is far from a sure thing - for any player.
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I will update these freshman player stats after this weekend's games. 
Let me know if you have any other candidate that you would like me to include in the discussion.
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Haff is going to win. She has an outstanding ERA and outstanding W-L record and SO numbers compared to walks. She has really proved herself, and was not on the radar in the beginning of the season. Sure arkansas plays nobody in the preseason, but even against Georgia, Haff came out and I think went 9 inning one game giving up one run to the at the time best batting team in the nation. She shut down MS State and Mizzou, and this next series @ USC will be a series for her to prove herself.
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Haff? Not happening
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The question is, does the award consider who has been the most impactful. Alo and Jordan ARE spectacular, but both of their teams were at the WCWS last year. While those two are fun to watch, they haven’t changed their team’s situation greatly. If amount of impact plays any part in addition to pure numbers, Davidson and Haff stand out the most.
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The question is, does the award consider who has been the most impactful. Alo and Jordan ARE spectacular, but both of their teams were at the WCWS last year. While those two are fun to watch, they haven’t changed their team’s situation greatly. If amount of impact plays any part in addition to pure numbers, Davidson and Haff stand out the most.


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Where would these Freshman's team be without them? 
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Haff has a long way to go. She has done well so far but let’s see what happens when they get to the meat of their schedule.
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Haff has a long way to go. She has done well so far but let’s see what happens when they get to the meat of their schedule.

There is A LOT of season left. But UGA is Top in the SEC, no? She shut them out one game for 8 innings and lost 1-0 in the ninth. She also closed the next game against UGA and gave up no hits/runs. Mississippi State hasn’t been bad this year either. I agree that this weekend against South Carolina will be telling, but they haven’t been playing all nobodies.
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Haff? Not happening


Tell me why you think this? Haff is great, she has a shot. Shut down UGA's offense, shut down MSU's offense, shut down MU's offense, what else does she need to do?
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Where the heck did all the offensive recruiting go in the SEC?

Some really thin lineups
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