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PUHHHHHLEASE....Michigan played Penn freaking State


YES 😂
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She has been a revelation in Tempe
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How does Dandola of Hofstra stack up against the rest of the freshmen pitchers?


I beleive she is still battling Payton Buresch from JMU in who is the best Freshman in the CAA... both are great looking pitchers! Payton has a little Better ERA and more strikouts, Sophie has a better BA Against... gonna be interesting when those teams meet in late April!

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        And the Backs play St. Louis tomorrow in a double dip


And i won’t likely come here to tell everyone that she had a much better day than someone else who threw against a fairly highly ranked team no matter how she does.
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And i won’t likely come here to tell everyone that she had a much better day than someone else who threw against a fairly highly ranked team no matter how she does.



And u won't  likely come here and tell everyone if you still    have the 1995 World Series ring right?
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And u won't  likely come here and tell everyone if you still    have the 1995 World Series ring right?


You are late to that conversation, newbie. If you’re just reeeeeaaaalllly itching to know my answer to all that, you can scroll through my archived responses to the last wildcat fan (as it a bitterly popular topic with you guys) who asked about this. I won’t entertain it every time a brand new wildcat rookie thinks he’s pushing buttons.
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Wasn't it supposed to be MUTEPINO after last weekend's a**-kicking?
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Wasn't it supposed to be MUTEPINO after last weekend's a**-kicking?


Decipher this
KMA to your face any day

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

Minus a 'b', here you are:

[coldWaterLargemouth] 

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Come on. Put your face where your mouth is
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Yes, tough guy. We all heard you the first 50 times
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Yes, tough guy. We all heard you the first 50 times[/QUOTE

Come on Mr. spineless. Be brave and jump in It only hurts once.
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What hurts....is deciphering your typed swill
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yeah, yeah, yeah.

Minus a 'b', here you are:

[coldWaterLargemouth] 



nice catch
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Thanks for everyone who mentioned other possible candidates for FOY.
Here are the 13 players that have been mentioned so far - with their stats up to date through Monday, April 9th.

8 non-pitchers have been mentioned so far. I will list them by their OPS.

Jocelyn Alo (DH/LF) Oklahoma 34-2 (B12)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
36   36  100  46   6    0   17    23  103   1   27  10    1    0    3    1       1    38    45   .460   .574    1.030   1.604

Katie Prebble (1B) Gardner-Webb 22-18 (Big South)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
39   38  105  44   7    2   18    27  109   4  22   15    2    1    4    1       0    35    55   .419   .526    1.038   1.564

Aaliyah Jordan (LF) UCLA 34-3 (PAC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
37   37  109  53  12    2    7    21   90   1   17    4    3    1     4    1      2    38    51    .486   .546     .826    1.372

Danielle Gibson (1B) Arizona State 33-5 (PAC)
G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
36  36  104  43  10    0   11   21   86    0   16   9    0    4     0   0       0     22   31    .413   .492     .827     1.319


Mia Davidson (C) Mississippi State 29-11 (SEC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
40   40  127  52  12    2  13    27  107   9    7   16   2    0     2    1      0     38   34    .409   .469     .843    1.312

Sydney Sherrill (3B) Florida State 33-7 (ACC)
G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
40  40  126  54  22    1    8    31  102   2    8   13    1    0   10    0     0     30   41    .429   .467     .810     1.277


Bryanna Novegil (2B) Stephen F. Austin 21-16 (Southland)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
36   36  106  45    4    5    0     9    59   9   17   14   0    3    0    0       0     26   16   .425   .538     .557    1.095

Delaney Smith (CF) Memphis 29-11 (ACC)
 G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
40   40  110  41    3    2    1     6    51   1   17  17    1    4   26    1     0     35    12    .373   .457     .464     .921



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7 pitchers have been mentioned so far. I will list them by their ERA (except for the two CAA pitchers who I have listed together for an easier comparison).


Gabbie Plain (P) Washington 39-2 (PAC)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
17   14  80.1   9    8    0.70   12-1  0   39   1    0    2     3    46   3   21  100    6    0    0   280    8.71   2.09    0.26   .139  .207  .164  .371

Meghan Beabien (P) Michigan 22-6 (B10)
AP   GS     IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
31   21  135.1   17  16   0.83   23-2  1  58   6    0    4    10   76   17  28  169    8    1    8   459    8.74   2.33    0.52   .126  .204  .166  .370

Mary Haff (P) Arkansas 29-8 (SEC)
AP   GS     IP     R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
26   19  122.2  25   19   1.08  17-3   2   57   8   0   10    18   95  10  15  159    4    0    5   425    9.07   1.43   1.03    .134  .182  .224  .406

Payton Buresch (P) James Madison 27-8 (CAA)
AP   GS    IP      R   ER   ERA    W-L  Sv    H  2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
25   16  109.0   38  15   0.96   13-4  2   88  12    2   4    18   116  10  35    65    5    1   10  411    4.17   2.89    1.16   .214  .291  .282  .573

Sophie Dandola (P) Hofstra 25-8 (CAA)
AP   GS   IP     R   ER   ERA    W-L  Sv    H  2B  3B  HR  EBH  TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
20   10  89.0   18  14   1.10   10-3  4    58   6    0    3      9   73    4   15   48    4    0    3   316    3.78   1.49    0.71   .184  .230  .231  .461



Maddy Dwyer (P) Stanford 21-16 (PAC)
AP   GS    IP      R  ER   ERA    W-L  Sv   H  2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
26   18  112.0  44  34   2.12   11-7  3   90   9    4   10    23  137  14  34    74    2    0   11  408    4.62   3.00   1.44    .221  .303  .336  .639

Caroline Bowman (P) San Jose State 19-9 (MWC)
AP   GS   IP      R   ER   ERA   W-L  Sv    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB  HB  BB   SO  WP  SF  SH   AB    SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS
22   14  87.0   51  39   3.14   12-1   1  100  11   2   10    23  145   0   25    41    5    2    6   355    3.30    2.01   1.85   .282  .327  .408  .735

HenryLouisAaron

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As of today... I would take Alo over Jordan in a close decision as rookie player of the year.

I would take Haff as rookie pitcher of the year in a close call over Beabien.
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As of today... I would take Alo over Jordan in a close decision as rookie player of the year.

I would take Haff as rookie pitcher of the year in a close call over Beabien.


Speaking only about the pitchers, I have a ”hawg” in the fight here. But even so, beubien’s numbers are a bit better than Haff’s. I know that they can’t afford to, but i really wish they would let Haff hit because the kid can swing it, too. That might have tipped the scales. The three questions I have are:

1- How does strength of schedule compare (and is that relevant to the people who will decide)?
2- is the amount of impact on a program relevant?
3- How will the second half of season go for both of them? The last two SEC teams Haff has faced have clearly gone to school on her and are prepared specifically for her when they faced Arkansas. I’m not expecting anything less from Alabama this weekend. Will she still continue to be as successful in the last half of season under those circumstances?
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SoS has zero relevancy to the weekly awards, the watch list/finalists and All-Americans and postseason awards
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<< SoS has zero relevancy to the weekly awards, the watch list/finalists and All-Americans and postseason awards. >> (3LT)

Are you saying the people who vote on ROY do not take SoS into account when they vote?
Do you believe they would be much more likely to give the award to Haff rather than Beabien (or to Jordan rather than Alo)... 
if both players had identical stats..?   Because I do.
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<< Speaking only about the pitchers, I have a ”hawg” in the fight here. But even so, Beubien’s numbers are a bit better than Haff’s. >> (CoachZ)

Yes, Beabien's stat line is "better" than Haff's... 
but the level of competition that Haff has faced is higher than what Beabien has faced -
and that more than makes up for the difference in their stat lines - for me.

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<< 1- How does strength of schedule compare (and is that relevant to the people who will decide)? 
2- is the amount of impact on a program relevant? 
3- How will the second half of season go for both of them? >> (CoachZ)

1. The difference in the level of competition they face - does matter... to me.
I think it would matter to many of the people who do the actual voting... but who knows - I could be wrong.

2. How the rookie player impacts their program - is of little consequence - to me.
I see this as an individual player award - not a team award.
If I had two players that seemed basically identical otherwise... then how they effected their team's record might be a tie breaker for me.
I have no idea if #2 would effect any of the people who actually vote.

3. That is the 64 million dollar question. How will they do - the rest of the way.
We will just have to wait and see... 
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Just give it to Alo now. Its over.
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<< Speaking only about the pitchers, I have a ”hawg” in the fight here. But even so, Beubien’s numbers are a bit better than Haff’s. >> (CoachZ)

Yes, Beabien's stat line is "better" than Haff's... 
but the level of competition that Haff has faced is higher than what Beabien has faced -
and that more than makes up for the difference in their stat lines - for me.

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<< 1- How does strength of schedule compare (and is that relevant to the people who will decide)? 
2- is the amount of impact on a program relevant? 
3- How will the second half of season go for both of them? >> (CoachZ)

1. The difference in the level of competition they face - does matter... to me.
I think it would matter to many of the people who do the actual voting... but who knows - I could be wrong.

2. How the rookie player impacts their program - is of little consequence - to me.
I see this as an individual player award - not a team award.
If I had two players that seemed basically identical otherwise... then how they effected their team's record might be a tie breaker for me.
I have no idea if #2 would effect any of the people who actually vote.

3. That is the 64 million dollar question. How will they do - the rest of the way.
We will just have to wait and see... 


Agree with most of what you posted except #2 above.

Out of over 200 D1 schools, somewhere down the line is most likely a Freshman Pitcher dominating her schedule/conference. Stat line off the hook good with jacked up Stats. And flip side, maybe some hitter with outrageous stats against a bunch of weak teams. Find it curious the impact on that player's program wouldn't factor into your analysis?? Especially since I find so much of what you post filled with well thought out conclusions. 

Reminds me of Carmello Anthony in the NBA...scores a bunch but nothing to show for it. Not a winner.
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In terms of player impact, what i mean is:
Would Oklahoma still be Oklahoma without Alo? She is impressive, but OU would still be dominating with or without her.
Would Arkansas be where they are without Haff? This is the first time they’ve been a ranked team in how long???
I was always told that in a “most valuable player” situation, that has to be considered. I’m not saying that i know how they’ll consider it or IF they’ll consider it. I ASKED whether or not it would be a factor. Thank you for your thoughtful answers, Hank!
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I'm a big discounter of 'impact on program' in MVP discussions.... the players' numbers are earned through outcomes, every bit of them.

Put Alo at UF and that offense is saved and they are the No. 1 team in the country.

Put Haff on Oklahoma and she is a spectator this season.

So, impact on program means nothing to me.

The performance is the performance, with proper accounting for the competition the outcomes are earned against.

I will always lean toward the more difficult accomplishment.

While Haff and Beaubien are having AWESOME seasons, you can find like seasons dotted across the freshman landscape through the years.

Alo? 1.600 OPS?

Oklahoma's SoS has floated upward to 26, so it isn't a joke.

And Alo has come through in tight moments, and she is going to hit 25 freaking HRs.

As my DD said.... "That wouldn't be easy off a tee!"

As long as Oklahoma has paid its dues check.... even the NFCA couldn't screw this one up.

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<< SoS has zero relevancy to the weekly awards, the watch list/finalists and All-Americans and postseason awards. >> (3LT)

Are you saying the people who vote on ROY do not take SoS into account when they vote?
Do you believe they would be much more likely to give the award to Haff rather than Beabien (or to Jordan rather than Alo)... 
if both players had identical stats..?   Because I do.

What sort of mealy-mouthed slop is 'identical stats'?

Interesting though, to do a deeper dive into Beaubien-Haff.

The inclination is to say, well, Haff has gone up against better competition.

What is correct is that she WILL have gone up against better competition as of May 13.

But not really the case now.

Beaubien: 135.33 IP, 0.83 ERA, 0.753 WHIP, 169 K, 23-2
10 best RPI opponents with starts against: 7. Florida, 8. FSU, 15. Baylor, 33. Texas, 36. Notre Dame, 39. South Florida, 57. Iowa, 58. Georgia State, 90. Illinois State, 105. FAU


Haff: 129.67 IP, 1.03 ERA, 0.656 WHIP, 172 K, 18-3
10 best RPI opponents: 5. Georgia, 9. South Carolina, 19. Mississippi State, 23. Missouri, 23. Missouri, 29. Wichita State, 59. Iowa State, 103. Texas-Arlington, 110. St. Francis, 115. Fordham

In her past three SEC series, Haff has gotten touched up in that second outing. To be expected from a frosh, but noteworthy nonetheless.

Haff has Alabama, Auburn, LSU and Ole Miss coming up. Beaubien has Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana and Ohio State.

If Haff has a 1.03 ERA on May 13 with big innings, my vote would go to her.

Right now, though, I would go with Beaubien.

That said, if the Razorback has a 1.00 ERA on May 13 and the Wolverine is at 0.80 or below, I am sure they will go with Beaubien.

 

 

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The infamous SoS narrative is as overused as a roll of one-ply toilet paper. And that applies equally to POY discussions, RPI and seeding teams for the postseason.

There are several players who would deserve consideration for a freshman player of the year award. But, please, folks, don't bring SoS into the discussion. It's not relevant.
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Bullsh*t. How many mid-major players get drafted by the NFL? How many from the P5?

You think that is because the NFL likes the SEC's uniform colors?

C'mon, you are REALLY much better than that

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I mean, how many kids in the Pac OR SEC have better numbers in conference that out of conference?
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I mean, how many kids in the Pac OR SEC have better numbers in conference that out of conference?


So, why not just limit POY candidates to the SEC and Pac. 12?
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IF, if, part of your job is to determine these honors, then it is incumbent to have to spend just a little bit of time to boil these down. Spend the time. Yes, the best players should be honored. The best are the ones who can beat the best.

I would say that the somewhat lighter numbers of the ULL kids in the Pac sort of makes the point.

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