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3leftturns

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So now we are down to praising one coach in the conference? I’ll give in and say White might be one of the best at developing pitchers in the country. Doesn’t equate to a whole conference, and doesn’t account for why they falter down the stretch.
falter down the stretch? You mean in the wcws? When 288 other teams are sitting at home?

Tell me more about this faltering.

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Agreed on developing. Disagree on supporting. There is no question that the SEC better supports its players in terms of putting money into the program and support staff on the whole. The worst stadium in the conference would still be ahead of the stadiums at Strawberry Canyon, Rita H, Palo Alto, and Westwood - then again that’s an opinion based on having been to all of those stadiums.


Stadiums are one thing. How exactly do those "support" the athletes? They perhaps create an excitement factor and are good for attracting new potential donors (and 7th grade athletes) but the athletes see none of that money directly, and little indirectly. I've talked to athletes that have been in both the sec and the pac and they universally have told me that the actual support from the schools related to nutrition, sports medicine, tutoring, mentoring etc are superior in the pac schools although I'm sure that is dependent on the particular schools and situation. They also said the facilities they used (locker rooms, practice fields etc) tended to be nicer in the sec but that the training programs etc were certainly no less effective in the pac and in some cases were more so.
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So now we are down to praising one coach in the conference? I’ll give in and say White might be one of the best at developing pitchers in the country. Doesn’t equate to a whole conference, and doesn’t account for why they falter down the stretch.
no... but you wrote that you wouldn't tell us how you felt counter to cjs' contention solely because I know them.

Who else here thinks that kleist or elish haven't improved vastly since freshman year?
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I have offered no suggestions as to where she’ll end up, because as i have previously posted, the recruiting process belongs to her at this point. If she has questions, I’ll answer them. Beyond that, I’ll find out when everyone else does. I can confirm that she has taken visits to South Carolina, Alabama, and Georgia. She told me some of her thoughts, but they are her thoughts and not mine to share. She still has visits to Arkansas and Oklahoma. Other schools have called. I have advised her to talk with everyone and visit everywhere. If she takes visits beyond those, i think it’s great. Not because i don’t hope she’ll end up at one of the places she’s already seen, but because i want her to know what her choices are. She has told me that she will decide on July 5. That’s all i know. I’m minding my own business otherwise.
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Sounds good, coach.

Of that group, the Sooners have the best pitching coach, IMHO. Missy Lombardi is a proven developer of pitching talent and a great in-game pitch caller.

OU also probably with the best lineup to put on the field with her, and has some need in the circle with graduations of Parker and Lowary. Just opinions.

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falter down the stretch? You mean in the wcws? When 288 other teams are sitting at home?

Tell me more about this faltering.



I don't need to ... ask LSU's DD Breaux.  All those in season awards and stats are great until you can't get over the hump.  Yes he's done great to get that talent to Eugene and had to do a lot more than some schools, but the talent hasn't resulted in that championship.
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She’s going to Arkansas, are ya happy now? 😜


You’re a cruel tease lol

While that would make me happy, I’m keeping my hopes in check. 🙂
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I have offered no suggestions as to where she’ll end up, because as i have previously posted, the recruiting process belongs to her at this point. If she has questions, I’ll answer them. Beyond that, I’ll find out when everyone else does. I can confirm that she has taken visits to South Carolina, Alabama, and Georgia. She told me some of her thoughts, but they are her thoughts and not mine to share. She still has visits to Arkansas and Oklahoma. Other schools have called. I have advised her to talk with everyone and visit everywhere. If she takes visits beyond those, i think it’s great. Not because i don’t hope she’ll end up at one of the places she’s already seen, but because i want her to know what her choices are. She has told me that she will decide on July 5. That’s all i know. I’m minding my own business otherwise.


Thanks for the information! She’s fortunate to have your guidance.
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You’re a cruel tease lol

While that would make me happy, I’m keeping my hopes in check. 🙂


I honestly think that is where she ends up, especially if Oregon doesn't jump on CD.
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I’m not sure Deifel would go to Oregon. I think if she eventually heads back west, it will be to succeed Ninemire at Cal, her alma mater. Seems like it would be easier to do that from Fayetteville than from Eugene.
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I’m not sure Deifel would go to Oregon. I think if she eventually heads back west, it will be to succeed Ninemire at Cal, her alma mater. Seems like it would be easier to do that from Fayetteville than from Eugene.


Do agree but if i were UO Id make a hard push bw her and Lawson.
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Man I hope Ninemire retires soon!
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You’re a cruel tease lol

While that would make me happy, I’m keeping my hopes in check. 🙂


Well, technically, he’s not wrong. She IS going to Arkansas ... on a visit. As for enrollment...

Rah, i really like Lombardi as well. One of my transfers from last year went to OU this year and I’ve heard nothing but great things from her.
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Well, technically, he’s not wrong. She IS going to Arkansas ... on a visit. As for enrollment...

Rah, i really like Lombardi as well. One of my transfers from last year went to OU this year and I’ve heard nothing but great things from her.


Right ... sounds like she’ll have some excellent options on her plate.
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Year after year it seems like Gasso signs large recruiting classes at OU; yet, somehow she always has 'ships left for transfers during the offseason.
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LOL at that list of pitchers.  King isn't any better this year as she has been in the past.  Thus why Hanson (a transfer) carried that FSU team during the regular season.  Alvelo who has been injured almost her entire career and hasn't necessarily "improved" over the years.  Plain carried that team as FR.  Garcia who is the same pitcher she came in as.  I'll leave the other Oregon pitchers alone as they are 3LTs pets, and I like him enough to not address them.


Alvelo has been injured twice in her 3 year career. Once as a FR (sprained ankle) where she was out for 1 series and the rib injury this year where she was out for about 3 weeks but could have come back if needed before then. Her ERA was 3.16 as a FR (154ip), 2.07(254ip) as a so, 1.30(188ip) as a jr. She developed her change and curve extensively in college and can also now effectively throw an occasional drop. Her rise velocity has increased 2-3 mph. That looks like improvement to me. Plain certainly had some important innings but she did not "carry the team".

Garcia - if she was the same pitcher as last year why did her conference era drop more than 1 point (and her overall era more than .5 pt)? She was not the same pitcher. She developed the drop and curve more to complement her rise, and was a lot more confident throwing her offspeed. Ask the pac-12 hitters that faced her, including those still playing when all the sec teams were at home.

King- yes Hanson was a good addition but King had the ball when it counted most. In the wcws, she was throwing 3-4 mph harder than when I saw her in 2017. She had her curve moving really well and was hitting her spots way more consistently.

Juarez - her conference era went from 4.44 to 1.12 after what she claims was intense work with Trish Ford.

And then you have Elish and Kleist as well. Not to mention the work that OK has done, particularly with Lowary who was basically ruined by an sec team.


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Wow Saile to Arkansas would be very dangerous for the rest of the nation with the pitching staff they already have. That would be very fun to watch. Haff/Saile/Storms. 3 kids that came to college with tools and time on the clock. They are so young. Arkansas would be a contender for a while with those 3.
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July 5th is the date.....The date when Shannon Saile decides where she is going....Florida will be closing I-4, I-95 and the Florida turnpike for 10 minutes when she makes the announcement.....No traffic shall pass...Shannon will then declare the roadways open and then Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness is on.....
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Wow Saile to Arkansas would be very dangerous for the rest of the nation with the pitching staff they already have. That would be very fun to watch. Haff/Saile/Storms. 3 kids that came to college with tools and time on the clock. They are so young. Arkansas would be a contender for a while with those 3.


And they still have McEwen, Green, Greene, and Cesena at the plate. Along with Diaz and Warrick for next year. Then they add in Braxton Burnside who is a powerful player. This team looks like it will be strong in the coming years with or without Saile (although her addition to our team would be tremendous). We do add in a transfer pitcher from maryland and a freshman, so we will see how they do this year.
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And they still have McEwen, Green, Greene, and Cesena at the plate. Along with Diaz and Warrick for next year. Then they add in Braxton Burnside who is a powerful player. This team looks like it will be strong in the coming years with or without Saile (although her addition to our team would be tremendous). We do add in a transfer pitcher from maryland and a freshman, so we will see how they do this year.


Agreed!! I’m not sure anyone expected to be speaking about Arkansas like this. Its remarkable what Deifel and staff have done.
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And they still have McEwen, Green, Greene, and Cesena at the plate. Along with Diaz and Warrick for next year. Then they add in Braxton Burnside who is a powerful player. This team looks like it will be strong in the coming years with or without Saile (although her addition to our team would be tremendous). We do add in a transfer pitcher from maryland and a freshman, so we will see how they do this year.


There is apparently some question about Robertson. There are rumors — and only that — that she has decided not to play softball in college. Her twitter bio no longer identifies her as a Razorback commit, and I believe it used to. No inside info - just repeating a rumor, so that might be irresponsible.
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Man I hope Ninemire retires soon!


Can’t happen soon enough.

And I’m even madder because she stole the best GT commit so she can go waste away at Berkeley.
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I wonder if Mike White will try making a late move on Saile
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I wonder if Mike White will try making a late move on Saile


I don't know how much money they have left but it wouldn't surprise me if they can afford it. I don't think SaIle would be enough to turn their fortunes this year, so don't know if I would go if I were her.
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He went from 16-34 to supers, supers, T5 with the first three years of Jess Moore.

Saile would be enough to get Sweet 16 for him this year.

Plus, look at how a line of pitchers (some lightly recruited as she was) who have developed into AAs with him.
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Holy cow is Arkansas got Saile, how good and deep would that staff be? They would be an immediate contender both in the SEC and nationally.
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It will be interesting to see what she does. Her options are drastically different..

South Carolina - I can’t imagine they are truly In the race.

Alabama - kind of a boring choice in my opinion. Lots of questions marks there. Not sure how their pitching will hold up.

Arkansas - An up and coming option. No one would ever guess they would be here. Can they keep the magic going? The major hang up with them is that on paper they are set to be very good but they don’t have the history that the next two do.

Georgia - consistent track record or no depth in the circle and falling short. Lu can pick one pitcher and falls short every choice after that. With no one else coming in they may have another season like 2 years ago if they don’t get Saile. They have been in the top 3 offensively for years and not been able to do it because they don’t have depth in the circle. They hit like crazy but to make it to the series and win it takes 2+ pitchers in the circle. Saile would be the only proven arm for them. Saile is a bandaid and keeps them afloat.

Oklahoma - the history speaks for itself. They will obvious compete and live in the top ten. They also have a lot of questions marks in the circle. Maria Lopez is the seasoned returner that hasn’t been able to fool the top tier teams. You have to look at NCAA.com to get stats. She’s just been ok... nothing close to the Paiges. BUT... they’re Oklahoma. The history is there she could just slide in and blend in to the success there.
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I’m pretty disappointed she didn’t even look at AU. We badly need a second pitcher and the fact that we didn’t make an effort to at least get her on campuse concerns me.


Mickey Dean needs a transfer in a BIG way!  Martin was not as sharp last season as I thought she was as a sophomore and Swindle reminds me of Kylie Bass at UGA, she does well coming in as a change of pace behind a flame thrower, but gets hammered as a starting pitcher trying to go through a line-up multiple times in one game.
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.... Swindle reminds me of Kylie Bass at UGA, she does well coming in as a change of pace behind a flame thrower, but gets hammered as a starting pitcher trying to go through a line-up multiple times in one game.


Dean could use a couple transfers. Swindle is just a better Marcy Harper or Jenna Abbott for Auburn. They need a true #1 or 1a.
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LOL at that list of pitchers.  King isn't any better this year as she has been in the past.  Thus why Hanson (a transfer) carried that FSU team during the regular season.  Alvelo who has been injured almost her entire career and hasn't necessarily "improved" over the years.  Plain carried that team as FR.  Garcia who is the same pitcher she came in as.  I'll leave the other Oregon pitchers alone as they are 3LTs pets, and I like him enough to not address them.


Calling BS on the King comment
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