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uwApoligist

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If Americans listen to Alan Dershowitz and other contrary opinions, like the individual writing the Huffington post article questioning Mueller's role in innocent men being left in prison, along with NY Times articles saying quite the opposite, then one can't complain about a lack of due diligence.  Americans would be doing their job.  However, I would point out to them while some do say there are "serious questions out there regarding Mueller", the Right generally twists this "opinion or possibility" into a factual claim "Mueller left innocent men in prison".  It's akin to the Right saying millions of illegals voted instead of saying some out there question if millions of illegals may be voting.  A huge distinction and a deliberate attempt to mislead.

Edit:  For example, when the Right says Mueller's team asked to release jurors addresses when it was actually seven news organizations filing the motion, is that a mistake or a deliberate fabrication?  Too often it appears to be the latter.

Your link is to an opinion piece.   Albano has no reason to lie.  He is a very liberal Democrat and claims to this day that he saw a letter from Mueller and is prepared to take a polygraph to prove it.  The fact that the FBI no longer has that incriminating letter in the FBI's file should be of little surprise to anyone.

People are free to read both sides and decide for themselves.

"Albano, a liberal Democrat who served as mayor of Springfield, is prepared to submit an affidavit or take a polygraph test swearing to the existence of that letter, along with the letters of other Boston prosecutors, urging denial of parole.  Further investigation seems warranted, since absence of evidence is not conclusive evidence of absence, especially in government files."

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No one believes your claim that the news organizations that asked for the names to be released are not in direct collusion with the DNC.  Everyone saw the wikileaks letters for DNC officials sending the press marching orders, and saw the press executing on those marching orders. 


Pretending that did not happen is why you two are easily laughed off.

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Dui, this is going to be a fun game.
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23)  News organizations are in direct collusion with the DNC - A case of angry right leaning people, who believe the press is biased against them, making fabricated claims that can't be proven.  The Right has failed to make enough traction convincing Americans the press is biased so they make false claims instead. 

Here's the flow of thinking by some on the Right.  The prosecutors against Manafort are leftists, this makes them equivalent to the press, and no doubt makes them equivalent to Rachel Maddow.  With that logic, the Right could claim Rachel Maddow filed the motion to release the jurors addresses in the Manafort trial.  Again, Americans must put claims made by the Right to the truth test.  The prosecutors did not file the motion and the wild connection that everyone is the same doesn't hold water.

Original post updated to include the above.

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uwApoligist

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Altough i have little concern of anyone serious following your incoherent rambling statement, it is easy enough to address. 

I think the American people are smart enough to see someone pushing for the release of the jurors name and addresses.  They are smart enough to understand the motivation for the release of those names is so that the jurors can be threatened and harassed by the left.  An obvious attempt to pressure the jurors to do the political bidding of the left.  

The request coming from Maddow, Mueller or others on the left, all of which have colluded together, does not really matter to the overall disgust with the blatant attempt to pressure and threaten a jury.

Spinny spinny on that.

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Maybe run it on by the cliffy claven parsing club.  They yuck it up over there on your twisty declarations.  
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The whole purpose of this thread is to emphasize just how truth "does matter", how often it is the American people are denied the truth, and how important it is Americans once again demand its return.  It would have been easy to just be truthful and say news organizations filed a motion to release jurors addresses and criticize them accordingly.  A false story saying the prosecutors were aholes for asking for the release of jurors addresses was a deliberate fabrication meant to divide and hopefully gain political points.  The days where facts and truth don't matter, as long as someone is growing our economy, need to end as soon as possible.  
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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Your link is to an opinion piece.   Albano has no reason to lie.  He is a very liberal Democrat and claims to this day that he saw a letter from Mueller and is prepared to take a polygraph to prove it.  The fact that the FBI no longer has that incriminating letter in the FBI's file should be of little surprise to anyone.

People are free to read both sides and decide for themselves.

"Albano, a liberal Democrat who served as mayor of Springfield, is prepared to submit an affidavit or take a polygraph test swearing to the existence of that letter, along with the letters of other Boston prosecutors, urging denial of parole.  Further investigation seems warranted, since absence of evidence is not conclusive evidence of absence, especially in government files."


Then why didn't he? This is just the crap you guys hang your conspiratorial hats on. Mounds of evidence to the contrary, but 1 individual, supposedly said something. It's not in the file for 1 very good reason.......it doesn't exist. You will literally believe anything that supports your twisted views.

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The economy doing well is the single thing that will keep gop majorities in both houses and keep President Trump in office.

The days of looking for moral leadership in the White House ended when Monica hit her knees.
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This thread is about the dangers of false information being fed to the American people, not about sex in the WH.  If right-leaning individuals can successfully convince Americans their elections can't be trusted, the press feeds them nothing but lies, our enemies aren't really attempting to bring us harm, and individuals violating our tax laws should be given a pass, the last thing we'll need to worry about is who our leaders are having sex with.
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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The press being obviously 1 sided shills for the DNC has already convinced the American people that they are willing to lie, distort and shill.  Republicans had little to do with that.
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Your Snopes article proved nothing about collusion between the DNC and MSM. How do you draw these conclusions?
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The hard right is certainly passionate and emotional about their causes. But in the end, devoid of factual evidence, they are, as President Obama so wisely and succinctly put it, just saying stuff. 
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23)  News organizations are in direct collusion with the DNC - A case of angry right leaning people, who believe the press is biased against them, making fabricated claims that can't be proven.  The Right has failed to make enough traction convincing Americans the press is biased so they make false claims instead. 

24)  The truth is not the truth - Hopefully very few on the Right believe this to be an accurate statement.

25)  - The Left wants open borders - If by Left they mean the left in general, this is yet another false claim made by the Right.  The Left wants a secure border and they want those established illegals, who meet certain qualifications,  to be given legal status to remain.  We call it immigration reform.  Since most Americans support immigration reform, the Right hates the phrase.  They can't get traction criticizing the Left for favoring immigration reform.  Therefore, the switch to a false claim that the Left favors open borders in hopes they can dupe Americans into believing this to be a fact. 

Original post updated to include the above.

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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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CNN was in collusion with the Hillary Campaign - this is a fact.

34% of dems favor open borders - this is a fact.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Final_HHP_Jan2018-Refield_RegisteredVoters_XTab.pdf
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uwApoligist

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Comey says one thing, Trump another.  Both are true right now.  It will take evidence to prove otherwise.  Not hard to understand unless you live in spinny spinny land.

Left has sanctuary cities and directly violate the stated and agreed law of the land by stopping proper enforcement of the laws that are on the books.  Zero argument on that.  

Illegal immigration continues to erode our health services our education system and our social services which are funded and intended for American citizens.  That is wrong.  

Trump has made the case and American are free to decide for themselves.  The press runs a solid leftist globalist agenda.  America is seeing through that and voting appropriately. 

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None of those are facts.  People who tell pollsters they favor an open border, if this is even true, mean they favor workers coming on work visas, family members of US citizens applying for legal entry, and a right to seek asylum.  I doubt any American would tell our leaders, or pollsters, they're for allowing anyone who wants into this Country to just come across without any application or questions asked.  I understand why the Right wants to convey it in that manner which is why it's on the list.
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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You have to be half way intelligent.  Did you open the doc?  Read it.  He gave you the page number.

"IM7 Do you think we should have basically open borders or do you think we need secure borders?"

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Your argument is with Gallop, not with me.

Donna Brazille, who worked for CNN at the time, gave the Clinton campaign debate questions ahead of time.

I understand facts are tough for the untruthful left, and I am sure you are arming up a response as to why these aren't true.  The American people spoke and they decided they want the GOP to handle border security and they are tired of the media deciding our elections.
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None of those are facts.  People who tell pollsters they favor an open border, if this is even true, mean they favor workers coming on work visas, family members of US citizens applying for legal entry, and a right to seek asylum.  I doubt any American would tell our leaders, or pollsters, they're for allowing anyone who wants into this Country to just come across without any application or questions asked.  I understand why the Right wants to convey it in that manner which is why it's on the list.


If the Right believes 1/3 of Democrats want our borders to go unchecked, no application, no identification, no questions asked, and everyone free to enter, they're wrong and I might add that to the list in my original post.  I defined what people who favor an open border think it means.

As for Donna, if she donated to the Hillary campaign is that equivalent to CNN donating to Hillary?  Of course not.

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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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The right cites a Harvard poll that clearly states democrats are 34% for open borders.
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I defined what people who favor an open border think it means.

As for Donna, if she donated to the Hillary campaign is that equivalent to CNN donating to Hillary?  Of course not.


As usual, your hubris knows no bounds.  You have no way of knowing what those 34% want.  Unless you looked into the heart of the pollsters and know what they meant.

Ms. Brazille was a senior political correspondent and employee of CNN.  She gave a debate question to one campaign ahead of time and not another.

Have you ever been on a jury?  I bet a guilty person would love to have you sitting in that box.
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It's alleged Mr. Cohen tried to sell access to the President.  Using your logic, it would be OK to assume the President was behind this improper activity since Mr. Cohen was in the employ of Donald Trump.

Since you're bringing up juries, I'll give you another question you may refuse to answer.  Do you want Manafort to be acquitted and do you think he is not guilty of any financial crimes?

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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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More false narratives from the left. 




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Another great article that has a whole list of 'smears' from the leftist press that have blown up in their face.  These are concerning Kavaunagh as as a nominee. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/20/medias-biggest-kavanaugh-misses-aspiring-hit-pieces-on-supreme-court-pick-draw-mockery.html

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Hit pieces on a SC nominee.  A supposed mischaracterization of a Google employee's memo.  A story failing to meet journalistic standards on CBS for which they apologized.  Why is this so hard?  Can you just number and list some examples like I have and say this is an example of a left leaning claim that is not substantiated or is false.  I tried not to use opinion pieces in my list.  I hope I picked out claims by the Right that are fabricated, unsubstantiated, or downright false.  I also tried to list claims where the Right has succeeded in duping many Americans into believing.  If I wanted to use hit pieces on Obama and Democrats, my list would take a whole page and then some.  Your examples are partisans writing commentary.  Give us a MSM or left-leaning claim that shouldn't be out there because it can't be substantiated. 
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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I will continue to call out your obvious and intentional falsehoods, but I will refuse to answer any questions until you address why you post under two different names after fraudulently accusing me of doing the same thing.
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Contrary to what some on the Right keep saying, Trump supporters do not object and call out specific lies made by this Administration.  I should add this to the list as well since, from all I can gather, it is false.  They believe if one says all Presidents lie, including Republicans, that should cover it.  Not even close to calling out a President.
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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I've said multiple times this President lies, just as Obama did
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Proof of the point I'm making.  Trump supporters will rarely identify and call out specific lies by Trump.  They'll only say, in a generic way, all Presidents lie.  However, when it comes to a Democrat President, they'll be more specific.  There's a reason for this and it's to avoid interference with the goal of keeping Americans believing whatever this President, and the Right, tells them.
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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Again, if you simply address why you have changed names you are posting under I will be happy to cite the many instances Donald J. Trump, has in fact, lied.
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