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sbmom1812

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Thought this might be an interesting question with Obama now going on his second term.  Here's what O'Reilly thinks.

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I give.  I can't follow the link.
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I give.  I can't follow the link.


Here you go. Enjoy


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Thank you Gi2.6.
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Here are excerpts from an article out of New York that partially agrees with what O'Reilly had to say though the thrust is different. The article is entitled, "Barack Obama Reelection Signals Rise of New America". Neither Limbaugh's nor O'Reilly's uber conservative perception of a "Santa Claus Syndrome" is included in this article. However, demographics and ethnic influences in elections are included. The perception of a change in what was the "traditional" voting majority, I personally believe to be real and a major impact on politics today.

"President Barack Obama did not just win reelection tonight. His victory signaled the irreversible triumph of a new 21st Century America: multiracial, multi-ethnic, global in outlook, and moving beyond centuries of racial, sexual, marital, and religious tradition."

"The Republican Party, by contrast, has been reduced to a rump parliament of Caucasian traditionalism: white, married, church-going - to oversimplify only slightly. 'It's a catastrophe,' said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt. 'This is, this will have to be, the last time that The Republican Party tries to win this way'."

"US Census numbers tell the story. In the first decade of the new millennium, the Asian-American population rose 43.3 percent, the African-American population 12.3 percent, the Latino community 43 percent - and the white population just 5.7 percent. "

"To be sure, the President won because of his stand on the issues - health care reform, Wall Street regulation, the auto industry bailout, among others. But his victory is something more: a sense that we are all in this together as a society, no matter who we are or how we live our lives."

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Four years from now should give us somewhat of an answer to whether this "New America" is a successful one. That is if our federal government can find a way to work together for our nation's good rather than against each other for the good of The Party. It will be interesting to watch developments in Washington and beyond.
Frank



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Susan,

I watched that video live with O'Reilly last night.  After I watched it, that's when 'I knew'.  'I knew' and my gut hurt, because I fear my country may fail.  I went to bed when I saw O'Reilly say that 50% of America wants 'stuff'.  If you can give them 'stuff', then they will vote for you.  The democrat party gives them 'stuff' and they like 'stuff'.  Thanks for posting GI2.6, O'Reilly was dead on

I hope this president pulls his head out of his backside, I really do.  After 4 years, let's hope he has CHANGED!!  I am officially, ready for some change.  First let's change the fact they don't tell the truth.


10er, I hope we don't have another foreign relations disaster such as Benghazi.  People have been saying "wait until the investigation".  Well I hope they will televise that investigation on C-Span.  I won't miss that one, must see TV for sure.

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There will be no investigation into Benghazi....There's a reason why Romney dropped all referrences to Benghazi and did not pursue it...
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"To be sure, the President won because of his stand on the issues - health care reform, Wall Street regulation, the auto industry bailout, among others. But his victory is something more: a sense that we are all in this together as a society, no matter who we are or how we live our lives." _______________ Four years from now should give us somewhat of an answer to whether this "New America" is a successful one. That is if our federal government can find a way to work together for our nation's good rather than against each other for the good of The Party. It will be interesting to watch developments in Washington and beyond. Frank "


Joisey,
The President also won because of Latinos.  The numbers are staggering

Yes, in 4 years we will know for sure, because obama won't be able to 'blame bush' for another 4 years.

Yes, it will be interesting watching "developments in Washington".  Starting with Benghazi investigation and looming Taxmaggedon.

Really don't want this president to fall on his face in a 2nd term also.  I am sure a 2nd term failure could cost some of us potentially thousands of dollars. [medical insurance costs, fuel, grocery prices, increase in taxes and 'fees']  Keep a sharp eye on companies leaving the U.S.  Let's see that abnormally high stock market start 'correcting' itself.

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There will be no investigation into Benghazi....There's a reason why Romney dropped all referrences to Benghazi and did not pursue it...


well dewey told me there would be an investigation

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Real - Please note that in the article the writer pointed out that there has been a 43% growth in the population of Latinos.  I have read that by 2050 Latinos will be the largest percentage population in the USA.  I shall be checking it all out from my paradise after earthen Florida.  That brings me to an interesting question.  What do you think of statehood for Puerto Rico?  My friends from Puerto Rico tell me that PR needs either statehood or a Socialist dictator like Hugo Chavez as PR has lost its identity.  The recent vote in PR for statehood was confusing but seemed to favor statehood, but without the leading campaigner for statehood who was defeated in election.  PR is in turmoil, it seems.  They complain of a loss of ethnic identity (pride in values and morals) to the "bling" and "greed is good" mentality of "los gringos" (colonials).  Gee, sound familiar !!  What is your take?     Frank
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Bluedog and Real - There will be an investigation if our federal government decides that such an investigation will show well for the current government (Iran-Contra) (money support for Saddam Hussein) (Granada) (Iraq invasion) or if the political scene is such that the outcome won't make a difference politically.  I favor the latter scenario.  Obama won the 2012 election and is entitled to four more years and retirement so the likelihood of an investigation should grow with a vindication spin.     Frank
PS - Hillary Clinton has been a consummate politician since Benghazi.  She appropriately "disappeared" so as not to affect the Obama campaign negatively over Benghazi.  She probably knows more about international politics than anyone (well Condi Rice was also excellent) on the planet.  How many times "W" called to Condi Rice to bail him out !!!   "Gotta know when to hold em, and know when to fold em". These women are experts, phenomenal players in the national and international political game.  Obviously I admire them both.

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Neither the Republicans or the Democrats want the investigation....It will be squashed by the power in both parties....There is a video which implicates Romney and the Repubs in a bad way about Benghazi....
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Bluedog - Assuming truth in your declaration of a video, now that truly would be American politics at its normal. To understand that is to understand "The System".    Frank
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I just read Rush Limbaugh's tirade (his usual inane speech crowned by an hyperbolic "we lost America" (I wonder who his "we" is) - he and Chris Matthews should play scrabble) concerning the election, and because I am old and see an historic perspective I see a strong connection between him and Joseph Goebbels who was the prime propagandist for the Nazi regime in Germany. Goebbels did well for a few years.  Is Rush from Georgia??  I ask to find out if he is "Dixie born and bred".  Goebbels believed in "The big lie" theory - repeat it often enough and loud enough and people will believe it.  I see Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity as following his lead.  I do hope that their influence dissipates in the years after this election.  (These people have made millions from their writings and speeches that pander on Faux News Editorials to a particular segment of our society ).  I see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton from a similar periscope.   Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, to a lesser degree O'Reilly, are right wing and defeated in the last federal election. Some few of the defeated  will try to explain because of some unfairness how their opponents won the election, or worse will attempt to paint their opponents as less than worthy by pointing out some foibles of the previous administration.  So it goes, and the beat goes on.  

I know it's human nature to be aggravated by a defeat, but rising above all that in favor of a national perspective takes graciousness, a certain kind of courage, taking three deep breaths, and trying to understand what really just happened.    My favorite person in this regard (using the system and playing the people as Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity - and to a lesser degree O'Reilly - has done) is Sarah Palin and her family.  This person has played the system to the hilt and taught her daughter to do the same.  Though I don't think that this is the only way to achieve "the American Dream", I do respect the intellect and ingenuity used by the Palins to be financialy where they are while using "the system" to get there.   Frank

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You know JG, I often find your posts insightful, but that one is shameful. How can you call out the Fox News crew without also calling out the MSNBC crowd?

And Goebbels? Are you kidding me? Rush is a blow hard, but is not trying to orchestrate the mass murder of millions of people.

All I can say is wow.
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..There is a video which implicates Romney and the Repubs in a bad way about Benghazi....


Is this pure speculation to make a point, or do have something the rest of us don't know about?
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Mike - I do believe that I called out Chris Matthews unless the "scrabble" comment was too much of a stretch for you.  As for Goebbels, his primary mission was to turn the mind of the German population away from Communism and into the "Jew hating scapegoat" mindset of the Nazi Party. He was effective through "the big lie".  Your interpretation of my writing leaves a bit to be desired, but from your perspective I can truly understand your remarks, and they are accepted as such although I regard "shameful" as a bit much.  Yes, Rush is a "blowhard", but a dangerous one who influences ignorant people daily while making millions from his "efforts". I once had a woman in Albuquerque tell me that she and Rush Limbaugh know everything that is going on in the United States. She votes, just like you and me. She also told me that if I didn't believe what Rush said, then I must be a "fornicator".  I leave it to you to make that connection.     Frank
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Mike - I would never run for the office of President of our USA,  The negative impact of the campaign would be too much for me and my family.  Then, today, soon after election, the Obama administration must face a decision concerning  spending cuts and tax increases that have the potential of plunging our nation into recession.  Tomorrow I have to water my plants and then do the same at my daughter's house.  That is my biggest worry.  Then the next day my wife and I are having dinner with 8 of our closest friends.  President Obama and his lovely wife will die, and so will my wife and me. Tomorrow my wife's biggest burden is to decide whether to cook her stuffed zuccini for the dinner-get together.  I often think how noble it must be for someone like Mitt Romney or Barack Obama to use the precious element of time to run for our Office of President so that I can live the wonderful life that my wife and I do. Then they must perform daily on a national and international stage.  Bless them and all like them.      Frank.
PS - I know it's too early for such talk, but for 2016, I nominate Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey for the presidency.  He reminds me of Harry Truman, and that's enough for me.  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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I got these 3 statements from different republican media this morning (as we on the right look for

Conservatives are misinformed. But WHY are conservatives so misinformed? Because vast profits are made by misinforming them. Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Weiner-Savage, Coulter, etc. make a huge amount of money catering to a crowd that wants a daily dose of outrage. It's business, pure and simple. The conservative media makes money by manufacturing anger and indignation. To do that in a complex world, they have to omit many facts, ignore other perspectives and often just invent things. The interests of the voters (and audience) are almost irrelevant. People seem to get addicted to the ego-rush that comes from feeling superior to "those damn unpatriotic liberals", and they get addicted to being angry and over-stimulated. This is a crowd that wants certainty, wants to feel important and affirmed, and likes to imagine it is powerful and dominant and has "inside knowledge". And that's what right-wing media delivers, no matter the actual reality. Because the profits are huge.

David Frum was right when he said that the conservative movement is now led by Fox and Limbaugh. Trouble is, they've led their audience off the cliff.

The Republican Party is now centered in a media universe that thrives on outrage and self-induced hysteria. You don't get ratings by emphasizing restraint and nuance. You get ratings by creating an "us vs them" world where the other side isn't merely wrong but evil. There's no self-correction mechanism here.

From me-- Before the election I saw 40% right, 40% left, and 20% middle. Of the 40% right you have 30% conservative. Of the 40% left you have 30% liberal. This leaves 10% of right as moderate, 10% of left as moderate, and the middle as neither right nor left and definately not liberal nor conservative. So 40% of american don't care what ,Msnbc, fox news, rush, o'reilly, hannity, michael moore, rachel maddows, or anyone getting paid to stroke their audience. 40% do not vote based on outrage they hear by slanted media. It didn't work with outrage against bush for his re-election in 2004 and it did not work in 2012.  

I saw Mitt romney winning because he wasn't conservative nor far right. .....which meant he would get the republican vote because they aren't voting democrat and he would have an even chance at the middle 20% getting 12% of it to Obama's 8% and winning a close election. But the conservative media merely fired up it's own voting base instead of reaching out to attract new voters. Latino voters didn't swing the electoral vote--texas, california, and arizona are tops in latino voters followed by florida and new york. Texas and arizona are true red. California is true blue. New york is blue and florida this year didn't factor in on election night but latino vote went blue bigtime. Both candidates won the states they were supposed to but obama won the battleground states. Get new voters. 2% more latinos voted obama this election. More blacks voted obam than in 2008. More youth and more women. Obama had more gays, atheists, elderly. He lost with white middle aged christian men. You can't insult 40-50% f the voters--you need their votes. That is alot of people.
The university of mississippi st5udent body president for first time ever is a black female. How so? She didn't just fire up her voting base. She didnt make it us vs them. She went out and appealed to all students of all groups. clickes, races and made them all feel she would represent them. Don't insult people you need to vote for you...all that does is fire up people already voting for you anyways. She won by being inclusive and not divisive.

2016 I see Paul Ryan , Rubio and others making a run and according to sarahpac she is considering it still. Ryan has a bright future.
Divisive politics fires up your supporters and base but it does not appeal to the middle....and you cannot win without the middle. Bush proved that when the left said he sucked and slammed him for 4 years...and Obama proved that after 4 years of sucking and being slammed for 4 years. They both won re-election after 4 years of being slammed by the opposing media. Instead of saying why kerry was better people just said "anyone is better than Bush". The middle doesn't buy that.

Some conservatives said today that we have to have a congress that works together...suck it up and do our jobs....changes to financial structure of enttitlement programs and curb special loopholes from top. Top and bottom cleaned up and real changes and compromise. Americans want both parties working together. Political pinheads with radio and tv shows do not. If our polititians work together as they eluded to today and compromise instead of combat america will get it's economy moving again. Lawmakers must unite.


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fhoenix - Who the hell are you?  You are much too intelligent and informed to be on a thread with me and other less intelligent and  informed folks.  In any case, I applaud your posts and wish that I had written them. Your last post is terrific and gives a perspective that many right leaning folks don't realize.      Frank
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I just read Rush Limbaugh's tirade (his usual inane speech crowned by an hyperbolic "we lost America" (I wonder who his "we" is) - he and Chris Matthews should play scrabble) concerning the election, and because I am old and see an historic perspective I see a strong connection between him and Joseph Goebbels who was the prime propagandist for the Nazi regime in Germany. Goebbels did well for a few years.  Is Rush from Georgia??  I ask to find out if he is "Dixie born and bred".  Goebbels believed in "The big lie" theory - repeat it often enough and loud enough and people will believe it.  I see Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity as following his lead.  I do hope that their influence dissipates in the years after this election.  (These people have made millions from their writings and speeches that pander on Faux News Editorials to a particular segment of our society ).  I see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton from a similar periscope.   Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, to a lesser degree O'Reilly, are right wing and defeated in the last federal election. Some few of the defeated  will try to explain because of some unfairness how their opponents won the election, or worse will attempt to paint their opponents as less than worthy by pointing out some foibles of the previous administration.  So it goes, and the beat goes on.  

I know it's human nature to be aggravated by a defeat, but rising above all that in favor of a national perspective takes graciousness, a certain kind of courage, taking three deep breaths, and trying to understand what really just happened.    My favorite person in this regard (using the system and playing the people as Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity - and to a lesser degree O'Reilly - has done) is Sarah Palin and her family.  This person has played the system to the hilt and taught her daughter to do the same.  Though I don't think that this is the only way to achieve "the American Dream", I do respect the intellect and ingenuity used by the Palins to be financialy where they are while using "the system" to get there.   Frank


JG, this election was done when blue states selected the candidate that they would be voting against on election day. This is my one big problem with the primaries. Why should states that are left leaning, select the GOP nominee? Tradition? Control of those pesky red states to the South? I firmly believe, that had the Primary votes been collected in a one week period, the GOP candidate would have not been a Romney, or McCain, or Dole. These non conservative, "selected" candidates were "inserted" into the Red states backsides, by a GOP hierarchy, that has lost three Presidential elections, by clinging to a RINO platform. In trying to be moderate, and look like the Dems, and not pointing out the obvious distinctions in platforms, they seal the party's fate each election cycle. Time for the Red states to tell the country club, blue blood Republicans to hold a one week primary, and let the Red states select a candidate. If the experiment fails, then so be it. I do not see the Dems allowing Red states to pick their Presidential candidates. 

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Thanks JoiseyGuy. Most people here from sbmom1812, woody, coach, yourself, dewey, etc. are very intelligent well-meaning americans who defend their side, party and country. But there is so much misinformation out there that if someone doesn't listen to both sides it is hard to debate an issue with totally accurate info. I try to sift thru the mudlslinging news and see both sides. The political pinheads are paid to go on radio or tv and outrage you and finger point at the other side so they aren't much help. To understand both parties and even independents I practice Switch-side debating. Where you are told to attack an issue then later you have to defend it. You have to learn both points of view on an issue from the views of those who truly believe in it or hate it. Why believe in it or hate it? In a debate--What is your point/theory, what backs it up, and why is your point relevant or important. You ARE NOT trying to convince your own side---NOR the other side. You are there to convince the neutral people. That is how the election went in 2012. Campaign and Debate the other side while convicing those in the middle to vote for you. Democrats did that and won.  They kept their blue states while winning all the purple states. A win.

You (joiseyGuy),Dewey and the others on the left here stood your ground, took the heat and your party won. Doesn't mean you were right but it does validate that your opinions were shared by at least more than half of americans. You weren't the exception, ignorant, naive, nor the extreme of voters. I still support the republican party but want less "Obama is a kenya born socialist muslim" and more "This is what Paul Ryan can do for america". Less jumping on the flavor of the month with unqualified people who do nothing more than energize the party yet are only cheerleaders (like sarah palin and herman cain). Less attention paid to political pinheads who do nothing more than divide and outrage and do more harm to the party instead of attracting new voters and win battleground states. Who cares if everyone in mississippi agree with rush and hannity--those states are voting republican anyways. Attract people who don't already agree with you. Win people over with positivity not with "we are the lesser of two evils". Win the neutrals over not just fire-up voters who already agree with you.

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I agree with woody about the primaries. They are manipulated by the opposing party because some states allow anyone to vote in them. We are lucky that harry potter as a write in didn't win a state.

On a good note for 2016--
The Republican Party changed a series of rules to  make it harder for insurgent presidential candidates to compete in future elections. After Ron Paul used the convention process to win the most delegates in some of the states where he lost the popular vote, the Republican convention rules committee passed a measure to ensure that a candidate who wins a statewide caucus or primary ultimately controls its delegation. This  move will mean less consequential state conventions — lower-profile events that typically follow the popular vote caucuses and primaries. The rule change likely forces states like Iowa to adjust their caucus process to ensure that whoever wins on caucus night is ultimately awarded the most delegates.

Looking to avoid another protracted nominating contest, the body also voted that any state can award delegates winner-take-all. Going into 2012, the rule was changed so that states with elections before April 1 had to proportionally award their delegates. The practical effect of this rules change was that it took much longer for Romney to secure the nomination. And as we here at UCS know the longer it takes to nominate the longer the eventual winner is slammed by his own party and the more time the other side has to campagin and prepare.

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Dinger lets just say we agree to disagree.  Dems have succeeded in pushing the center to the left for a while now.  Lots of people choose not to vote cause they feel whats the difference, they both are big govt.  You have to be blind to know that the electorate is not changing.  Conservatives know that.  Latinos for the most part want what conservatives want.  Repubs are just worse with communicating and buying votes.  It is difficult to communicate the great things when you are in the mushy middle.  I think Romney would have been better than the mushy middle but he did not communicate well.  For people to say Romney was extreme just shows how far left they are. I dont care how you package it.  Ever increasing govt size and power and entitlements are never good and history has shown that, but you guys are living with your heads in the sand cause you like those christmas gifts.  

Conservatives have to learn how to communicate better to the masses.  otherwise we will end up in bankruptcy annd those people you say need those handouts will be crushed.  

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I don't think people said Romney was extreme Susan. I read that, in order for him to get the nomination, he had to convince the party base that he was a viable candidate. In doing that, he had to flip flop on some of the issues, which opened him up to looking like a liar. I think Dinger is saying that IF Romney was not forced, by the republican base to change his stance on some of the issues more to the right, he would have received more of the middle vote and potentially won the election.
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Whether the country "needs" more extreme conservatives is moot.  What is not moot is that the Republican Party cannot depend on ultra conservative votes only to win a national election.  Hopefully those currently elected are smart enough and possess enough integrity  to separate the wheat from the chaff in conservative thought and use that which would benefit the nation.  Once we accept that Our Party (whichever one) do not have ALL the answers, we can then use power after being elected  to implement that which makes sense and that which helps to correct problems, no matter who proposes the ideas, if they are viable. Congress must understand this instead of continuing to create a political battleground based on Party which stymies good thought and progress of a positive sort if we are to have a better America.     Frank
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Off on a tangent - "All powers not specifically given to the federal government are retained by the states".  Man, has that Constitutional relationship been blurred. "The law say the gardeners is the sun".  "The law, say the judges, well it's the law".  Does Mississippi, or even Georgia or South Carolina have to abide by the results of the federal election just held?  What if their laws meant to protect a way of living and thinking are at loggerheads with federal laws?  
Should the method of national elections be changed?   Should Puerto Rico become our 51st state?  And those are just internal problems to discuss.         Frank                              

PS - And what is the best way to manage government on the federal level while reducing the enormous federal debt incurred in the last 12 years?  I do think that the credit card financial mentality of the "W" Bush administration, despite cries of "Blame Bush for everything" is highly responsible for the financial state of the union after 8 years of that administration. Also, the compounded debt during the first four years of the Obama administration in an attempt to avert a major financial crisis internally added to the debt and brought us to where we are as a nation.  What do we do about it?  My youngest grandchild who is seven wants to know.                                           Just food for thought !!!!!

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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"Is this pure speculation to make a point,....."

Google, Romney exposed, and watch the video...The Benghazi part is towards the end of it....
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JG nice to know you swallowed the liberal mantra.  I blame the debt on both parties!  We've benn over this before but I will repeat. The repubs tried to do something about the housing debacle but the libs in congress wouldnt go there.  The libs really ran up alot of the debt when they too over congress after Bush's first six yrs but that is convenient to forget.  Either way I blame both parties but I think everybody knows the libs are big govt and big spenders not the repubs.  Lets be serious!

 This is part of that communication that I was talking about. If you cant put it in a 30 second sound bite its hard to get your message out.  Plus selective listening.  Plus alot people say it wont happen in my lifetime so I'm gonna take my goodies while I can get them.  Repubs have some ground to make up on educating and communicating and I think easily a majority of America would vote that way, be it Mexican, Asian, Female whatever.  Repubs have been portrayed for alot of things that they arent and thats where a better job needs to be done.  Obama has won not just buying votes but he has spoken more conservatively than his actions have been as well as the media fronting for him.

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Susan - In a Parody of "Animal Farm" - "Dems Baaaaaaaaaad" - "Repubs Gooooood".  There is no need to go any farther than that with your perspective of reality.  I guess we, if we want to be on UCS Misc will have to live with that.  Be healthy and happy and try to see some good outside "The Party".  I do think that you are a passionate good person with some very good ideas.    Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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