Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 1 of 2      1   2   Next
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #1 
Any of you green lovers like dietcoke feel free to post why you are also against the keystone Pipeline, you're one of the 39% who don't approve.  Here I'll start it off the conversation

[image]

[image]

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #2 
[image]

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #3 
We doing those enviornmental studies on them trains that dewy says we need on that pipeline.  Busted that stupid excuse.

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #4 
Do you see that number above?

Look at the oil spilled in 2013 alone.  Wake up dummassses

[image]


[image]


[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #5 
[image]
[image]
[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #6 
[image]

[image]



__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #7 
[image]

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #8 
Watch one of the libtards try and tell us we need to spend more on 'infrastructure' to repair rails and railroad bridges that 'we' don't own.  Looks like the government isn't doing very well in regulating this very dangerous rail industry.  Where are the wails for government oversight?  Where IS the government oversight?  

They regulate the railways, agriculture, air travel, yada, yada, yada.  They're too big to regulate what they should be regulating and spending too much time with the fluff concerns.  Kind of like, "Hey let's don't tackle the economy, let's promote amnesty".  Yeah kind of like that, they don't have priorities in order, social fluff, social butterflies they are.  

[image]



__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #9 
[image]

[image]

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #10 
[image]

[image]

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #11 
Hey greenie weinies,
Call your opposition to the Keystone Pipeline anything you want to call it, but don't call it concern about the environment.  Rail transportation may not 'spill' as much as pipeline transportation but the areas of this country where rails run, takes the dangers into our cities and across our waterways.  Some of you should go stand on the RR tracks and protest to stop this potential danger to our country.

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
woody

Registered:
Posts: 10,500
Reply with quote  #12 
Then say yes to riding a bike and no to riding any form of transportation with a combustion engine. Walk the walk so to speak.
__________________
Ignorance is forgivable, and correctable with proper study. Stupidity is a way of life.


DietCoke

Registered:
Posts: 2,466
Reply with quote  #13 
Not that anything a "green lover like me" could say that would change your mind, but here are some reasons that some of still oppose the KXL -

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-crude-pipeline-rail-truck-or-boat/

Crude oil is moving around the world, around our country, around pristine wilderness, around our cities and towns. It’s going to keep moving, will undoubtedly increase during our new energy boom, so what is the safest way to move it?

The short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat (Oilprice.com). But that’s only for human death and property destruction. For the normalized amount of oil spilled, it’s truck worse than pipeline worse than rail worse than boat (Congressional Research Service). Different yet again is for environmental impact (dominated by impact to aquatic habitat), where it’s boat worse than pipeline worse than truck worse than rail.

So it depends upon what your definition is for worse. Is it death and destruction? Is it amount of oil released? Is it land area or water volume contaminated? Is it habitat destroyed? Is it CO2 emitted?

In both the United States and Canada, more crude oil, petroleum products, and natural gas are transported in pipelines than by all other modes combined, using the unit of ton-mile which is the number of tons shipped over number of miles (The Fraser Institute).

In the U.S., 70% of crude oil and petroleum products are shipped by pipeline. 23% of oil shipments are on tankers and barges over water. Trucking only accounts for 4% of shipments, and rail for a mere 3%. In Canada, it’s even more lopsided. Almost all (97%) of natural gas and petroleum products are transported by pipelines (Canadian Energy Pipeline Association).

Amid a North American energy boom and a lack of pipeline capacity, crude oil shipping on rail is suddenly increasing. The trains are getting bigger and towing more and more tanker cars. From 1975 to 2012, trains were shorter and spills were rare and small, with about half of those years having no spills above a few gallons (EarthJustice.org). Then came 2013, in which more crude oil was spilled in U.S. rail incidents than was spilled in the previous thirty-seven years.

Crude is a nasty material, very destructive when it spills into the environment, and very toxic when it contacts humans or animals. It’s not even useful for energy, or anything else, until it’s chemically processed, or refined, into suitable products like naphtha, gasoline, heating oil, kerosene, asphaltics, mineral spirits, natural gas liquids, and a host of others.

_______________________________________

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/opinion/kohn-climate-change/

Even if you're a conservative who doesn't believe the vast majority of the world's scientists agree that climate change is both real and man-made, hopefully you still believe in facts. And the facts suggest that the Keystone XL pipeline is a bad deal not just for America's environment but also for our economy.

 

In 2008, in its original application to the State Department seeking pipeline approval, the company TransCanada said the Keystone XL pipeline would involve "a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel." But by 2011, when the pipeline project had become controversial, TransCanada told a House subcommittee the project would create 20,000 jobs. TransCanada and the American Petroleum Institute have also alleged that an additional 119,000 jobs would be directly or indirectly created by the pipeline. Yet an independent academic study found the project would indeed create "no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years" and that, in fact, spills and the cost of damage from the pipeline could kill more jobs than it creates in the long term.

Well, at least the pipeline would help working families in America by lowing gas prices, right? Wrong. According to analysis by both CNN and Bloomberg, the pipeline would actually raise gas prices by creating a way for oil produced in the Midwest to make it to coastal refineries for exporting.

What the Keystone XL pipeline clearly would do is divert investment away from renewable energy — and investments in renewable energy produce more bang for the buck. Every $1 million invested in fossil fuels creates just 5.3 jobs while the same amount invested in clean energy creates 16.7 jobs.

In other words, if America builds the Keystone XL pipeline, not only are we not getting a lot of short-term jobs out of the deal and risking the economic cost of crude spills, but we're failing to put investment into green energy opportunity that will yield far more jobs now and in the future. It's plain to see which choice makes sense not only for our planet but for our economy and working families.

_________________________________________________

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/15/the-pipeline-from-hell-there-s-no-good-reason-to-build-keystone-xl.html

Why, if the project will create a lot of jobs and have little environmental impact, does it continue to be met with opposition? To begin with, it won’t actually create many jobs. According to a George Mason University study, via Bloomberg, the pipeline’s construction could create between 2,500 and 20,000 jobs. More likely (PDF), it’ll be between 2,500 and 4,650, assuming that a huge chunk (as much as 50 percent) of steel production will be outsourced to China, Canada, and India. Moreover, when construction ends, the number of permanent jobs could fall to 20. Yes, 20.

A rosier estimate, from the State Department’s report and Newsweek, puts the number of permanent jobs at 35. A study by Cornell’s Global Labor Institute claims that the project may actually kill more American jobs than it creates due to pipeline spills, additional fuel costs in the Midwest, and other factors. It also claims that 85-90 percent of people hired for the line’s construction will not be from the areas through which the pipeline is running.

So, it won’t create that many jobs. After all, it’s merely taking oil drilled in Canada to pre-existing refineries on the Gulf Coast. But it’s a $7 billion project, and the State Department has said it will have a minimal negative effect on the environment. Plus, it could increase America’s energy independence and strengthen our position in the Middle East and beyond. These are all good reasons to move ahead with the plan, but unfortunately, none of them are actually true.

The pipeline is a $7 billion project, but only $3 billion-$4 billion of that would be headed to the U.S. The rest is going to wherever that steel is getting outsourced. The claim of reduced dependence on foreign oil suppliers is also suspect. China has already invested billions in Canada’s oil sands, and Chinese corporations are upping their stakes all the time. Much of the oil transported by the pipeline will be refined in Port Arthur, Texas, where the main refinery is half-owned by the state-owned oil company of Saudi Arabia (PDF). The Keystone project is not an American one, but a global one, financed and favored by major multinational oil interests. Besides, real domestic oil production—oil drilled and refined in the U.S. by nominally American companies—has already increased 70 percent under the Obama administration.

All of this means that the pipeline’s approval would essentially be a continuation of the status quo, with a few billion dollars kicked the U.S. economy’s way. Except that the project would, in spite of the State Department’s claims, have drastic effects on the environment on both local and global levels. That study published by the State Department was conducted by Environmental Resources Management (ERM), a firm that listed TransCanada, the would-be pipeline builder, as a client in its marketing materials a year before it began the Keystone contract.

Both ERM and TransCanada told the State Department at the time that they had not worked together for at least five years, a term of the contract meant to limit conflict of interest. Of course, any doubts about a conflict of interest evaporated when it emerged that up until the summer of 2013, a division of ERM had been “working alongside TransCanada on the Alaska Pipeline Project.” These are two in a laundry list of troubling connections between the two companies.

Considering, then, that the State Department study was conducted by TransCanada’s business partner, it’s little surprise that it failed to find any environmental consequences for the project. The reality is far different. On a local level, pipeline leaks and spills could have a number of drastic effects. Recent leaks from similar lines have been bad. Really bad. A New York Times article cites a 2010 leak of 840,000 gallons of bitumen into Michigan’s Kalamazoo River. The cleanup has cost $1 billion so far, and continues today.

It also mentions an Arkansas leak that sent 210,000 gallons of bitumen running through the streets of small-town Mayflower and left local residents with respiratory problems, nausea, and headaches. The proposed Keystone route would see it “pass over the Ogallala Aquifer, the lifeblood of Great Plains agriculture,” where the water table is close to the surface. A major leak could poison the water supply of large swaths of the Midwest that add up to one quarter of the nation’s farmland.

The pipeline also has environmental consequences on a larger scale. The pipeline would encourage accelerated extraction of Canada’s tar sands, which have greenhouse gas emissions 81 percent greater than those of conventional oil. By most measures, it is the dirtiest fossil fuel on the planet. James Hansen, formerly of NASA, claimed in a 2012 op-ed that the tar sands contain twice the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by global oil use in our entire history. If true, its exploitation along with our continued use of fossil fuels at present levels would bring carbon concentration in the atmosphere above the 500 parts per million threshold often discussed by climatologists as the point of no return. That would create an irreversible cycle wherein the climate is beyond our control. Hansen describes it as “game over for the environment.”

Even if that’s an alarmist prediction, and Canada will exploit their tar sands with or without the Keystone XL Pipeline, there is no question that its construction will not help with controlling emissions, boosting energy independence, or creating jobs. The only people it will benefit are TransCanada, the Canadian oil companies (many part-owned by Chinese and Mideast interests) working in the tar sands, the multinational oil companies who will refine what it brings to the Gulf Coast, and a few thousand workers. Temporarily.

___________________________________________

Bottom line, most "green lovers like me" want to DECREASE reliance on fossil fuels, not increase it.  We don't want it moved by pipeline OR train, in a perfect scenario.  We want to invest in alternative energies that won't pollute or contaminate the earth we live on.  And we don't want a project that was presented to us coated in lies - remember the promise of 100,000 jobs?  (Or even as many as 465,000 jobs, according to one report - http://www.api.org/news-and-media/news/newsitems/2011/may-2011/api-keystone-xl-pipeline-bill)  Lower gas prices?  Most of it will go to Asia, and the prices will be set by global demand, as it always has been.  The pipeline will benefit Canada, China and politicians who want big oil companies to keep donating to their campaigns.  And one hopeful Senator from Louisiana.


Now to watch the second half of the MS-Bama game.

 

 


__________________
Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.   ---   John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776
 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #14 
I've been waiting on that one.  We don't want to invest what your side wants to invest in.  Your side calls all of us stupid.  Why do you want to waste OUR dollars on green energy plans that siphon money away for green friends who then go in the red and then they turn black and die?  get government out of our lives, not in it.  Don't you understand by now?
__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #15 
Quote:
It also mentions an Arkansas leak that sent 210,000 gallons of bitumen running through the streets of small-town Mayflower and left local residents with respiratory problems, nausea, and headaches. The proposed Keystone route would see it “pass over the Ogallala Aquifer, the lifeblood of Great Plains agriculture,” where the water table is close to the surface. A major leak could poison the water supply of large swaths of the Midwest that add up to one quarter of the nation’s farmland.


Then let the pipeline pay to have it run a different route, maybe above ground instead of through the aquifer, maybe a few miles to the east or to the west.  They did wonders building that pipeline in Alaska and if they need to run above ground for a few miles, someone will take the money those people offer.  It did nothing to the aesthetic beauty of Alaska so what little beauty Nebraska has, they'll get over it when you pay them

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
JoiseyGuy

Registered:
Posts: 24,423
Reply with quote  #16 
Diet Coke - Aside from the mantra "we provide jobs", just who stands to gain monetarily from the pipeline?  Please begin with those most likely to profit big time.  
__________________
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
ForeverInBlue

Registered:
Posts: 10,356
Reply with quote  #17 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
Diet Coke - Aside from the mantra "we provide jobs", just who stands to gain monetarily from the pipeline?  Please begin with those most likely to profit big time.  


Conversely, who profits from no pipeline? Follow the money indeed. Right to Obama's pal Warren Buffet and all the railroads he bought up.

Now how did he know Obama would block the pipeline? Why did he come out in favor of Obama, particularly his highly visible and vocal support for Obama's plan that the rich pay higher taxes? Coincidence? Or follow the money?
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #18 
Joisey you know how I know you're a liberal at heart?

You always say follow the money when it comes to what you think are the capitalists in this country. When it is a government run program like green energy, like obamacare, like the VA hospital system. There's money there also dude but I never see you so concerned for taxpayers money who goes away to rot. Perfect example of your own example of 2 legs good 4 legs bad. You got 2 legged

__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #19 
Quote:
Right to Obama's pal Warren Buffet and all the railroads he bought up. 



__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
JoiseyGuy

Registered:
Posts: 24,423
Reply with quote  #20 
Real - Ho hum, you are wrong again.  I say "follow the money" whether it's to the military, clean up crews like those in Iraq, big business, unions, campaign contributors, welfare, environmentalists' causes, or folks in Texas who are all hat and no cattle.   I am not saying that government doles out its money purely to power groups, only about 80%.  As one Afro American politician so beautifully said, "The color of Politics isn't either black or white; it's green".  [thumb]
__________________
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
mikec

Registered:
Posts: 9,127
Reply with quote  #21 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoiseyGuy
Diet Coke - Aside from the mantra "we provide jobs", just who stands to gain monetarily from the pipeline?  Please begin with those most likely to profit big time.  


Conversely, who stands to gain from "green energy" jobs?

We know the answer to that one - Obama donors, to the tune of half a billion dollar loans that are forgiven by the government.  That means the taxpayers give Obama's friends tons of cash.
DietCoke

Registered:
Posts: 2,466
Reply with quote  #22 
Who stands to profit from KXL?  Here's a few -

Koch Brothers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/20/the-biggest-land-owner-in-canadas-oil-sands-isnt-exxon-mobil-or-conoco-phillips-its-the-koch-brothers/

China (and other countries)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/the-keystone-xl-pipeline-_b_4870103.html

Trans-Canada, refineries/producers

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carlodonnell/2014/11/14/house-passes-keystone-pipeline-bill-but-still-tough-to-pick-winners/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0309/Inside-the-Keystone-pipeline-How-much-would-it-really-help-US-consumers

Mary Landrieu (if she wins runoff) and other Dems who want to distance themselves from Obama




Another safety concern -

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-30/the-real-reason-keystone-xl-might-fail

Even Breitbart admits that killing KXL wouldn't matter in the long run (let Canada run the pipeline across their own land!!) -

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/10/08/Why-Killing-Keystone-XL-Won-t-Matter-in-the-Long-Run


__________________
Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.   ---   John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776
 
ForeverInBlue

Registered:
Posts: 10,356
Reply with quote  #23 
That Koch story is pure BS and had been discredited. Here is a letter from Koch General Counsel to Sen Whitehouse and Rep Waxman

http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Waxman-Whitehouse-Ltr_041014.pdf

There is a link in the letter that directly discredits that WaPo propaganda piece you linked to, and plenty of additional Information that refutes the liberal demagoguery of Koch Industries in this regard.

And here a quick, revealing (and hilarious) article that connects the WaPo article to, well, a who's who of liberal special interest groups.

http://floppingaces.net/2014/03/21/wapo-suffers-self-inflicted-wound-in-the-war-on-the-koch-brothers/


Ya know, it's almost as if liberals dont want anyone to profit from any business endeavor. Refineries and producers will profit on oil business! OMG we better demagogue them, and their profit. Using long- debunked propaganda, no less. Does that work on the portion of America Gruber was right about, the ones who buy into the endless Obama lies? Good luck with that in the real world.
mikec

Registered:
Posts: 9,127
Reply with quote  #24 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverInBlue
Ya know, it's almost as if liberals dont want anyone to profit from any business endeavor.


[obama-you-didnt-build-that] 
Lost_1

Registered:
Posts: 3,328
Reply with quote  #25 
Funny how this gets twisted. gasoline is made out of sweet crude, oil sand won't be used to make gasoline, to high a cost of processing.

I find it amusing that the left links stories that say temporary jobs in the private sector "BAD", but previously quoted stories championing the temporary jobs created by the tax payer funded stimulus that went to the presidents bundlers "GOOD"

__________________
If we are not careful, our colleges will produce a group of close-minded, unscientific, illogical propagandists, consumed with immoral acts. - Dr. Martin Luther King


“Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.” Winston S. Churchill


mikec

Registered:
Posts: 9,127
Reply with quote  #26 
The Democrat party is still controlled by the Steyer dude, as evidenced by the Senate vote this eve to not allow the pipeline to go forward.

Further, Dems are anti-jobs and anti-infrastructure, in spite of their rhetoric.
woody

Registered:
Posts: 10,500
Reply with quote  #27 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost_1
Funny how this gets twisted. gasoline is made out of sweet crude, oil sand won't be used to make gasoline, to high a cost of processing.

I find it amusing that the left links stories that say temporary jobs in the private sector "BAD", but previously quoted stories championing the temporary jobs created by the tax payer funded stimulus that went to the presidents bundlers "GOOD"


Texas and Louisiana have the refineries to handle heavy crude. No other refineries in our nation can do it as I am told. We have been turning heavy Venezuelan crude into plastics, and fuel for quite a while.

PS, the Saudis are ramping up production to try to slow up US production. Their economy, and resulting handouts to it's citizens to quell uprisings is based almost entirely on oil revenue. They have a Central Bank dependent on oil revenue. They have gone into the hole in the past because of oil below $75 a barrel. Look it up. They are a one trick pony. Glad it is them, and not us.

__________________
Ignorance is forgivable, and correctable with proper study. Stupidity is a way of life.


keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #28 

Obama confused again

Hi dingbat

EX:

One of the most important statistics should be rates of injury and death, and on this score pipelines fare very well compared to trains: Overall, State concludes that transporting the Canadian oil by rail would add 49 injuries and 6 fatalities each year as compared to one injury and no deaths if the oil goes through Keystone XL.

In fact, State says that “Annual baseline injuries and fatalities without an increase in transport volume from rail transport or pipeline are projected to be approximately 712 injuries and 94 fatalities compared to three injuries and two fatalities for petroleum pipeline.” This argues not only for using Keystone to transport the new Canadian oil production but also to use it, and other new pipelines, to substitute for current rail transportation of oil.

Seems like a no-brainer when we have those on the left who say they care about lives.  Just not if you die in rail car explosions, gunfire in Chicago, in VA hospitals or by vacuum aspiration.


__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 28,906
Reply with quote  #29 
Not another crude oil train derailment. say is ain't so Illinois. DC how about some pics
__________________
"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
bhblue

Registered:
Posts: 2,188
Reply with quote  #30 
The libtards could ride their bikes except that the majority of their bike is composed of plastic, a petroleum product. Start whittling your bicycle Diet Coke.
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.