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..........good for the crooked labs, the crooked politicians as long as the crack whores aren't getting it.


The Democrats are signing up people for welfare....The Republicans are providing the above for solutions......America's going down the drain!

Real, we need to channel the outrage against he politicians across the board....The Republicans are no better than the Democrats.....They are stealing in the name of reform.....

Romney knew, and said, he couldn't get the votes of the 47%......The system is well understood by those who participate in it....The only way to change it is to denounce it and all the politicians in it......We must stop just keep putting these same thieves in office...They are as bad as those who cheat the welfare system....They are not gonna change a system they flourish in while the rest of us wither on the vine....The answer isn't in a cover-up party name like the tea party....They are merely wolves dressed like sheep....Term limits, salaries and benefits for Congress to match regular working people is a good start....
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If you were a millionaire, would you help your brother out if he was living in poor conditions or your aunt if she was living in Gov housing or your uncle if he was working for minimum wage & living in halfway house? Just wondering ?
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Are you asking me?

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I'm asking anyone? Just wondering if you had millions would you help them.

Senator Warren said today she doesn't want to see cuts in Social Security & gave an example of her brother who couldn't afford it because his sole income is $13K from it. I thought that she is entitled to her opine, but it was kind of a funny example.....Warren herself is a multi-millionaire & her brother is going to have trouble getting by if his cost of living increase is cut.
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B10, I could not have millions, so I'm not a good one to answer....

I will say that a good way to start helping reform our inept, and corrupted, welfare system is to stop paying people to have babies....I feel it must begin with this...

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“This bill makes sure state resources are not used to support drug habits, while ensuring children continue receiving benefits in a safe environment,” said Sen. Jane Nelson, the author of Senate Bill 11, which now goes to the House.


The above quote is a lie.....Yet, this state senator proudly states it to be the truth....It's way past time to rid ourselves of these parasite politicians who merely feed on the system......
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America on Welfare

The Great Society needs to be replaced by the Free Society.

Living the good life on welfare. Even the Europeans recognize that they pay a high price for creating an increasingly dependent society. 

Denmark has been transfixed by the revelation of a 36-year-old single mother who collects more in benefits than many Danes earn at work, and has done so for two decades. Worried Karen Haekkerup, Minister of Social Affairs and Integration, people “think of these benefits as their rights. The rights have just expanded and expanded.”

But it’s really not that much different in the U.S., the nominal home of the free. Nearly two decades ago welfare reform briefly captured political attention and won bipartisan support. The effort was a great success. But most welfare programs remained untouched and the gains have been steadily eroded. 

Today nearly 48 million people, almost one out of every six Americans, receive Food Stamps. Outlays on this program alone have quadrupled in just a decade. Indeed, the government actively promotes the program, encouraging people to sign up. Other welfare programs also are growing in reach and cost. The Congressional Budget Office recently pointed to “increases in the number of people participating in those programs and increases in spending per participant.” The U.S. isn’t that far behind Europe.

Indeed, America, like Europe, has a veritable welfare industry. A forthcoming report from the Carleson Center for Public Policy, named after Reagan administration welfare chief Robert Carleson, charges that “The federal government has spawned a vast array of redundant, overlapping and poorly targeted assistance programs.” Authors Susan Carleson and John Mashburn count 157 means-tested programs intended to alleviate poverty. There were more than two score housing programs, more than a score of nutrition programs, almost as many employment/training and health programs, and lesser numbers of cash assistance, community development, and disability programs. More expansive definitions count even more programs — 185 total, according to Peter Ferrara.

No surprise, the welfare industry is expensive. Social Security is the single most costly program, but more goes collectively to welfare. Today government at all levels spends around $1 trillion a year on means tested anti-poverty programs. And that amount is just going up and up. 

Total federal and state welfare spending rose from $431 billion in 2000 to $927 billion in 2011. Both parties are responsible, but President Obama bears particular responsibility. Last year, explained my Cato Institute colleague Michael Tanner: “Welfare spending increased significantly under President George W. Bush and has exploded under President Barack Obama. In fact, since President Obama took office, federal welfare spending has increased by 41 percent, more than $193 billion per year.”

And this is just the start. From 2009 to 2018, figured Heritage Foundation scholars Robert Rector, Katherine Bradley, and Rachel Sheffield, at current rates the federal government will spend $7.5 trillion and states will spend $2.8 trillion on welfare, for a total of $10.3 trillion.

Washington can ill afford such expenditures. Uncle Sam ran more than $5 trillion in deficits over the past four years and is expected to run up a deficit of $845 billion this year. The Congressional Budget Office recently warned that while deficits are expected to decline over the next two years, they then will start rising again to $1 trillion annually. Over the next decade, assuming unrealistically that Congress doesn’t add any new programs or increase outlays for any old ones, the accumulated red ink will be $7.0 trillion.

Alas, this is merely the brief break before the tsunami of entitlement outlays hits. The total unfunded liability for Social Security and Medicare exceeds $100 trillion. To that must be added a long list of contingent, likely, and potential liabilities. Even the Post Office is broke and needs a bail-out! Economist Laurence Kotlikoff estimated total federal indebtedness at an astonishing $222 trillion.

Despite facing financial doom, government provides welfare to “a growing number of people who increasingly are not ‘needy’ by any rational definition,” write Carleson and Mashburn. Wasteful duplication isn’t limited to welfare, of course. Yet abuse of programs supposedly directed at human needs seems especially odious. There are people in need. In their name government is taxing away people’s earnings and wasting the proceeds.

It’s important not to focus solely on money. If the programs worked the amount being spent might not seem so excessive. However, observed Tanner, last year the nearly $1 trillion spent on welfare amounted “to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.” With that kind of spending, no one should still be poor.

Yet when testifying before Congress in 2011, Patricia Dalton of the General Accountability Office refused to “hazard a guess” as to what percentage of federal welfare programs achieved their objectives. She admitted that it “would be good to have a number of how many programs there are, what exactly are we spending, and what are we getting for that money.” Yes, that would be good.

Unfortunately, over the years it became increasingly evident that welfare did much to discourage marriage and work, and destroy family and community. That is, behavioral poverty accompanied material poverty. The result, complained the Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector and Jennifer Marshall, “has been the disintegration of the work ethic, family structure, and social fabric of large segments of the American population, which has in turn created a new dependency class.” This directly threatens the American vision of self-government by independent citizens. 

Yet the system is tenaciously defended by all of the usual interest groups which benefit from extensive federal wealth transfers. President Reagan argued that “The war on poverty created a great new upper-middle class of bureaucrats that found they had a fine career as long as they could keep enough needy people there to justify their existence.” Officials may not exactly scheme to prevent the poor from leaving welfare. But welfare gives many people an interest in preserving existing programs.

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In the area of white collar Welfare, why is Congress pushing the spending of huge tax moneys on the Abrams Tank (made in Ohio)  which the Military says it doesn't want???  Corrupt politics???  
Waste must be controlled in both blue and white collar Welfare, and corruption in both areas must be addressed.  The problem is simply widespread in Washington and is regarded as doing business or another day at the office. Our tax dollars are being misused to fill the wrong pockets.

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The manufacturing of parts for a tank is now white collar welfare? While I agree the upgrades for the tank should be scrapped, I've always considered manufacturing / assembly line type work to be blue collar.

The downside of ending production will be thousands of additional families on welfare, many of them in Ohio, and nobody wants to piss off the voters in Ohio so we get a tank we don't need. Lol.

The logical thing to do would be to build them and then sell them to another country. Not rocket science.
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The logical thing to do would be to build them and then sell them to another country. Not rocket science.


Maybe not rocket science but it appears an unfounded assumption.  We have 2,000 on the sales lot already.

  Letter from Congress says, "The outlook for selling Abrams tanks to other nations appears "stronger than prior years."   But those sales would be "inadequate to sustain the industrial base and in some cases uncertain.



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Well there's always Islamist terrorists. Or as Obama calls them, "allies in the region."

But like I said, if its me we would end production. Not just on the tanks but on the F-35 as well. If you have to be unemployed, now is the time.
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The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

“The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.

The state has handed over more than 500 documents to the 11-member House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, which today met for the first time and plans to call in officials from the Department of Transitional Assistance to testify.

I can assure members of the public that this committee will actively review every single piece of information we can find because clearly the public has a substantial right to know what benefits, if any, this family or individuals accused of some horrific crimes were receiving,” said state Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick), the committee’s chairman.

Linsky’s committee has requested documents from the DTA, the state’s Medicaid director and Health and Human Services Secretary John Polanowicz. But so far the committee has not released the records publicly, citing a privilege the DTA is asserting under state law.

Transitional assistance officials also told the Herald tonight that the agency was conducting its own investigation into whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s family ever notified the DTA about his extended trip to Russia, and has since expanded its probe to include a full history of the benefits received by the entire Tsarnaev family.


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The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

“The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.



This may finally be the straw that broke the camel's back.  Plans are underway to cut $30 billion in give aways over the next 10 years.  Many say here this is no big deal, we must get the corporate welfare crowd and try and convince us that this $100,000 is just not much to worry about.  Why can't we reform both and be better stewards of OUR tax dollars?  No we must throw money at the 'needy' [who are not] so that the democrats can buy their votes and arm those who would kill our citizens.  Great plan by the bleeding hearts

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http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/food-stamp.gif
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It doesnt pay to work.  Just what Obama wants and why he took the work requirement out of welfare.  Why incentivize independence.  That doesnt guarantee an auto voter base.  He has so expanded what was already bad but had gotten better with changes in 1996.


http://www.drudge.tw/1bSy7yX


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Would it be too much to ask?  Be more diligent in selecting those in desperate need (I know one young person who is afflicted with OCD who has tried and failed at seven jobs because she cannot work with her deficit - yet refused to apply for disability; she could use government help) from the free loaders. How about government work programs like the old CCC and WPA programs?   Offer a hand up wherever possible instead of a hand out.  Be humane but not stupid.  Arbitrarily cutting funds hurts the truly needy as much as the free loaders.  Keep an eagle eye of oversight on those receiving assistance and make sure there is an attempt to get off that assistance, or terminate it if the person is able bodied.  Then our government should address corruption in white collar welfare.  Reduction in corruption in general should lead to smaller government and cuts in taxes for Joe Sixpack and the middle class. Under capitalism, the wealthy can take care of themselves quite well.     Frank

PS - If, as our conservative friends here insist, the assistance system is nothing more than a vehicle for buying votes, then the loyal opposition should be investigating it at every step and looking for political means to level the playing field.  The same can be said about white collar assistance and the loyal opposition to that as a political mover and shaker for both conservative and liberal political causes. Then again, one must ask, "Should either type of corruption exist in a government paid for by taxes from citizens in a Republic?".

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JG why do you think we keep screaming for smaller govt. Govt can not provide oversight.  It has been proven over history.  YES, both side buy votes and have corruptness but relatively speaking the right better represents smaller govt at this time.  But, the electorate needs to keep pushing to right to decrease govt so that people can keep more of their money and your friend that needs help can truly get the help she needs on a more local level where fraud can be minimized compared to the federal govt.
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Susan - Your points are well taken. I guess the only disagreement between you and me is just how far right the electorate need push. Moderate strikes me as a good place.     Frank
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A look at welfare today.


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Dewey many points in your article have already been pointed out as flat out lies.  And remember your dear Obama removed all work requirements unilaterally and illegally from Clintons welfare reform and has expanded welfare qualifications to increase the welfare rolls.  Once again nice propaganda piece!
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 And remember your dear Obama removed all work requirements unilaterally and illegally from Clintons welfare reform...


I think you are wrong again.

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Yea dewey, I am wrong.  Thats why we have video proof etc... of people not working, not having plans to work, living off welfare.  You truly are in lala land!
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JG - how far right do you think it is to return to living by our constitution?  To me, that is moderate.
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It doesnt pay to work.  Just what Obama wants and why he took the work requirement out of welfare.  Why incentivize independence.  That doesnt guarantee an auto voter base.  He has so expanded what was already bad but had gotten better with changes in 1996.


http://www.drudge.tw/1bSy7yX



Missouri has tightened their food stamp rules.  Between the ages of 18-50 you must have a job or looking for a job to receive 'food stamps' from your fellow citizens.  I appreciate Missouri for doing their part in watching the food welfare subsidies that they receive from the federal government. 

A big THANK YOU to Mizzou for being fiscally responsible!!

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Go to work America

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/missouri-seeks-to-tighten-food-stamp-eligibility/

In counties with unemployment rates lower than 10 percent, adults currently getting benefits would have three months to either find a job working at least 20 hours a week or enroll in a federally approved job training program.

Adults who lose their jobs after the rule change would be eligible for food stamps for only three months out of every three years.


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EBT America

Walmart’s food-stamp shoppers and Washington’s big spenders have so much in common.

“Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher,” Justice Louis Brandeis famously pointed out in his Olmstead dissent. “For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example.”

When the government acts like a banana republic, the people will behave as though they live in one. Juxtaposing the chaotic footage of EBT cardholders conducting a legal looting at a Louisiana Walmart this past weekend with the constant cable-news loop of lawmakers conducting a legal looting of future generations affirms this. Both demonstrate the perils of letting one set of people spend another set of people’s money. 

“I saw people drag out eight to ten grocery carts,” Springhill police chief Will Lynd told ABC News. “It was definitely worse than Black Friday. It was worse than anything we had ever seen in this town.” The catalyst for the food riot was an EBT computer shutdown in 17 states. Rather than shut off EBT purchases, the Walmart allowed EBT purchases without reference to account limits. The store, rather than the government or the EBT cardholders, will now make up the difference between the amounts on the cards and the amounts at the cash register.

The police chief observed one customer leave with $700 in groceries and most others simply abandon overflowing carts once informed that the government’s computer system had come back online. The devastation left in the food frenzy’s wake evoked the visual of Mad Max set in a Stop & Shop. “There was no food left on any of the shelves, and no more meat,” Chief Lynd explained. “The grocery part of Walmart was totally decimated.”

The post-apocalyptic supermarket scene in Springhill, Louisiana, resembles the surreal scene in D.C. these past weeks. Sure, the folks in Walmart may have sported more tattoos and spoken coarser language than the folks in Washington. But the crowd in the box store and the crowd in the capital share a basic outlook: easy come, easy go. Neither works for the funds. So, neither shows restraint in spending it — think Senator Mitch McConnell’s $2 billion dam (the account he spent from was overdrawn, too).

When you aren’t responsible for earning the money you spend, you’re irresponsible in spending the money another has earned. The principle of relative scarcity, prompting most to value the money in their pockets, doesn’t mean anything to people whose money comes cheap. Whether it’s Paris Hilton embarking on a shopping spree with daddy’s credit card or Senator McConnell putting a dam on the national credit card, “frugality” strikes the ears as a foreign word.

The problem for EBT holders in the other sixteen states where the computer glitch occurred was that storeowners forbade purchases when left without the ability to check card balances. At a store in Chelsea, Massachusetts, where 75 percent of customers pay with EBT, the Boston Herald’s Howie Carr reports that the proprietor simply closed up shop. Welfarians everywhere but Walmart inveighed against the injustice. Washington similarly imagines its problems stemming from a lack of unchecked spending authority. It never occurs to them, despite a $17 trillion debt ticking constantly upward, that their unchecked profligacy is the problem.

Americans appear to the rest of the world the way the Walmart shoppers touting one EBT card and seven carriages look to the rest of America. The world has turned so far upside down that when Communist China lectures free-market America on its fiscal imprudence, honest Americans can’t help but admit that they have a point. In downgrading U.S. credit from “A” to “A-,” Dongong, China’s version of Moody’s or Standard and Poor’s, explained their assessment: “The fundamental situation that the debt growth rate significantly outpaces that of fiscal income and gross domestic product remains unchanged.”

Attention Walmart shoppers: It is later than you think.


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My hard working & I'll say hard headed oldest Grandson lost his job in energy with Baker-hughes[ cut back], unless he wanted to move to Valley. Looked for 6-8 weeks,found job with a school district & fighting to keep their head above water.
I am going to see him next week. He could have made more if he would have drawn UE & food stamps...what do you tell him? I say he is grandpas boy & i am proud of him working instead. like he tells me," it is a struggle pop,but I feel better about myself'.
he's looking for a second job & his wife is going to school,but will be a couple years before she gets out.


Comparing those with a conscience to those without

 

Couple in U.S. lived on yacht, collected welfare: prosecutor

Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:47pm EDT


 

(Reuters) - A couple who collected food stamps and other public assistance from Minnesota while living on a yacht in Florida were being sought on fraud charges, prosecutors said on Friday.

Colin Chisholm III and his wife, Andrea Chisholm, accepted more than $165,000 in public assistance between 2005 and 2012 before benefits were terminated, according to prosecutor Mike Freeman in Hennepin County, Minnesota.

Charges against Colin Chisholm were filed in February but they were kept sealed while police searched for the couple, Chuck Laszewski, a spokesman for Freeman, said on Friday. "They know by now we are looking for them."

The Chisholms are each charged with a felony count of wrongfully obtaining public assistance in excess of $35,000, the highest threshold under Minnesota law. Andrea Chisholm was charged on Thursday.

They bought a $1.2 million yacht, The Andrea Aras, in 2005 shortly after applying for welfare benefits in Minnesota, according to complaints against them. They have been accused of living on the yacht in the area of Palm Beach, Florida, for 28 months while lying about living in Minnesota.

Colin Chisholm was the chief executive officer of a satellite television and broadband services company, his wife bred and sold championship dogs, and over a seven-year period the couple deposited more than $2.6 million in bank accounts they did not report on applications for welfare benefits, according to the complaint.

They have lived in luxury homes in suburban Minneapolis, driven a $30,000 Lexus and also collected welfare benefits in Florida, the complaint said.

(Reporting By Kevin Murphy; Editing by Sharon Bernstein)


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I work on the seedy side of our downtown area. Needed a few items from a grocery store and didn't want to stop or go out of the way to stop at store on way home, so went to a small grocery store on the seedy side of town. I have been in there before, but never on the first day of the month. Watched a guy in the line beside me with 2 heaping carts, I counted 6 12 packs of pop on the bottom of the cart, pull out his EBT card and pay. The 50yr old gentleman in front of me spent just under $200 and pulled out his EBT card, the clerk asked for $3.94 to pay for something not covered and he pulled out a roll of cash that would choke a horse, granted it looked like a Kansas City roll ($20 dollar bills wrapped around a stack of ones). It was 11:30 on a work day and the shelves were dang near empty.
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You see the same here.  Here there is a sign the stores/bodegas put in their windows.  It says "We Accept EBT".  Friend that worked with homeless told me that means they will sell Alcohol, and anything they have in their store on EBT.   Notice line out the door and around the corner on the 1st from those stores. 
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