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Kurosawa

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So, only kids receiving athletic money are ineligible for academic money?


If you're a walk-on or on a partial scholie, just like any regular student, you can get as much academic aid as you're eligible for, as long as the total received does not exceed what a full scholarship would pay.

Both Washington and Oregon have tuition waiver programs which allow residents in "border" counties to pay in-state tuition in the adjacent state. Oregon players on Washington's roster and vice versa is not unusual. Kristin Cochran and Kelly Burdick on UW's roster are from Oregon; April Utecht on UO's roster is from Washington.

Washington does have a larger population than Oregon and, thus, a larger pool of recruits. Oregon, for instance, has no in-state players on their roster, while UW has six on their roster. Getting into UW is a bigger plum than getting into UO or OSU.

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Getting into UW is a bigger plum than getting into UO or OSU.

Academically? Marginally

Again, stop acting like it is Michigan or UCLA
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Academically? Marginally

Again, stop acting like it is Michigan or UCLA


UW is considerably more difficult to get into than UO or OSU:

Admission Rate / Average SAT:

UW 53% / 1825
UO 74% / 1658
OSU 78% / 1636

That's a bit more than just "marginal".

http://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/University-of-Washington-admission-requirements
http://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/University-of-Oregon-admission-requirements
http://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Oregon-State-University-admission-requirements

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It hits the nose and does not smell like a rose. WAYYYY too much out-of-state talent going up there for it to be out of the sheer kindness of their hearts and the mere privilege to wear purple and gold.

Y'all make it sound like this is a hub of academia, like Stanford or Michigan and UCLA (among schools who can play WCWS softball). It is 54 in the latest USNews rankings. Ahead of Oregon, for sure, but well behind the schools (No. 27 in Ann Arbor and 24 in Westwood) that truly are difficult to get academic money out of.

And, I am not sure what you KNOW about Oregon either. Does not jibe what I think I know. LOL. But sometimes, what I think I know, I don't. So stipulated.

What is this nebulous term 'significant money'?

I mean, I would give you that 18 percent is not....nothing. But, usually, that is getting barely anyone to 100



I know/have known players at OR and the other schools I mentioned personally that are receiving/have received enough money to make the difference between being able to attend and not. I can't go into further detail than that.

You can say what you want about UWs academics but they get extremely gifted applicants in specific fields which are generally not accounted for in the canned formulas used by USNews etc. which focus on acceptance rates, overall student body characteristics, research grants etc. If you look at the Purple and Gold scholars they are nearly all from CS, engineering etc., majors that I've never heard of a UW softball player taking, and in the case of CS, majors where there are only a few schools in the world that would be rated higher. At any rate, the coaches are trying to get expanded academic money but until they do, the players simply don't get extra money from the school. 

Of course, like any student anywhere, softball players can apply for grants and outside aide if they qualify (up to the maximum). That's very different than the school just paying up.

Sure, Seattle is a bigger city than Eugene or Corvalis (or Tucson, tempe, berkely etc.), and they do take more in-state kids for somewhat less money. What I'm saying is it's more complex than that, and you need to take into account that, practically speaking, other schools have more money to give their players than WA before you crown White, Berg or whomever the king of recruiting.

Actually, on 2nd thought, crown whomever you want, whatever you want. I don't care [smile]
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Way too much out-of state talent in Seattle to not have significant monies available past the 12.

It's coming from somewhere.

Regarding academic rep, maybe more than a marginal difference. But again, let's not confuse Washington with being a nationally renowned academic hub.

Good school. 1658 is mediocre. 1825 is... decent.
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I know/have known players at OR and the other schools I mentioned personally that are receiving/have received enough money to make the difference between being able to attend and not. I can't go into further detail than that.

Lot of gray area in your phrasing there... obviously, every kid attending is getting enough money 'to attend'

Some families need 0 percent. Some need 98.

Of course, need is one verb. Want is another.
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Way too much out-of state talent in Seattle to not have significant monies available past the 12.

It's coming from somewhere.

Regarding academic rep, maybe more than a marginal difference. But again, let's not confuse Washington with being a nationally renowned academic hub.

Good school. 1658 is mediocre. 1825 is... decent.


Believe what you want. They get the 12, that's it. As I said, the average SAT and all that doesn't make any difference. Those people are not the ones getting the school academic money.
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Lot of gray area in your phrasing there... obviously, every kid attending is getting enough money 'to attend'

Some families need 0 percent. Some need 98.

Of course, need is one verb. Want is another.


I'm talking about academic money. I personally know people who's athletic scholarship alone would have forced them to choose a different school. The schools were able to make up the difference with academic money. WA does have limited academic money but the kids who get that are 34+ ACT, > 4.0 gpa, hardcore major kids, not softball players, at least not in the last several years. They can work with the kids on private scholarships, grants etc. but that's it.
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I know there are a couple volleyball players who'll be walking on at UW, even though they could probably get full scholies elsewhere - their parents can afford to pay their way. Just getting admitted as a preferred walk-on at UW is a benefit, plus you get access to all the perks scholarship players have. And they've got a chance to earn a scholarship, Kelli Suguro, for instance. If you want to stay in-state, UW is the top academic school within a at least a five state area (WA, OR, ID, AK, MT).

Tarr being able to get quality local walk-on recruits is a plus - having more money to offer out-of-state recruits helps counter the distance factor (UW is a northern school and way up in the "Far Corner").
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The whole idea of this conversation is that in-state kids are important to allow for a greater percentage of athletic scholarship per player to be allotted to out-of-state athletes.

That said, I am trying to think of who on Washington would be a walkon who... hasn't played like one.
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The whole idea of this conversation is that in-state kids are important to allow for a greater percentage of athletic scholarship per player to be allotted to out-of-state athletes.

That said, I am trying to think of who on Washington would be a walkon who... hasn't played like one.


Well, UW does have more local recruits primarily because there is more talent here, especially in the Puget Sound Basin. How much scholarship money you are offered is likely due to your projected role on the team. Top recruits projected to start from day one (Aguilar, Van Zee, Alvelo, Flores, Bates?) are probably on full scholies from day one.

Whether Oregon non-scholarship athletes have more private or institutional monies available to them, I don't know. All of the players on their current roster are from out of state.

I'd guess that Melhart and Burdick were likely preferred walk-ons, paying in-state tuition (the latter due to the Washington-Oregon "border" tuition waiver), but, as starters, almost certainly have scholarship money now.


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The biggest thing UW will be missing next season is 25 home runs (Aguilar 14 .665slg% and Stangel 11 .579slg%). Returning "power" hitters for UW:

Flores 13hr .645slg%
Thomas 8hr .500slg%
Van Zee 7hr .570slg%
DePonte 7hr .423slg%

Total: 35hr

While we could see some increase in HRs from returning players, we will need to rely next season more on situational hitting, speed, defense, and pitching, than on power.
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I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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Have you seen Atlee play? She is a gamer...Your in for a treat..Her numbers at Washington will probably go up with a supporting cast

I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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Thanks dad.
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2017-18 Signed Recruits:

Noelle Hee 1B/C OC Batbusters, Orange Lutheran HS (Orange, CA)
Morgan Allen C/SS Sundodgers, Monroe HS (WA)
Emma Helm C/1B Washington Majestics, Meadowdale HS (WA)
Nawai Kaupe IF Hawai'i Pearls Maui (Wailuki, HI)
Gabbie Plain P Harrington Park Scorpions (Sydney, Australia), Australian U19 Team


Transfers:

Taryn Atlee, FR, 2B/SS, from Rutgers - 1st Team All-Big Ten as a Freshman. Will step into a starting middle IF spot.

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/6/11/15780354/husky-softball-adds-star-freshman-transfer-infielder-rutgers

It is also rumored that Parker Conrad, a freshman pitcher, who is transferring from Missouri, is interested in Washington. Not sure if UW has scholarships available for both Atlee and Conrad...
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You haven't seen Atlee play...

I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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Have you seen Atlee play? She is a gamer...Your in for a treat..Her numbers at Washington will probably go up with a supporting cast

I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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Have you seen Atlee play? She is a gamer...Your in for a treat..Her numbers at Washington will probably go up with a supporting cast


I've seen her in a couple of games. I'd be very surprised if she hits more than .400 given the schedule UW plays, but I hope you're right!
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The biggest thing UW will be missing next season is 25 home runs (Aguilar 14 .665slg% and Stangel 11 .579slg%). Returning "power" hitters for UW:

Flores 13hr .645slg%
Thomas 8hr .500slg%
Van Zee 7hr .570slg%
DePonte 7hr .423slg%

Total: 35hr

While we could see some increase in HRs from returning players, we will need to rely next season more on situational hitting, speed, defense, and pitching, than on power.


Kaupe looks like she may have some power. We'll see how productive she is. I'd expect Deponte to hit a little better overall since she won't be injured. I've also heard a rumor that another transfer, a power hitting lefty, may be coming in. You're probably right though, that UW will have to scratch out runs more than they're used to.
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Another thing that likely drew Tarr to Kuape - they both played Little League baseball.
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Jocelyn Cater on ESPN pitching for Canada vs Team USA in the WCS. Jenn Salling and Victoria Hayward are also playing for Canada, Ali Aguilar for Team USA.
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Morganne Flores and Taran Alvelo are playing for Puerto Rico.
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And of course, Sis Bates is a starter for the Junior team. New transfer Taryn Atlee is supposed to be playing for The Philippines, although I haven't seen her yet.
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