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Kurosawa

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2017-18 Signed Recruits:

Noelle Hee 1B/C OC Batbusters, Orange Lutheran HS (Orange, CA)
Morgan Allen C/SS Sundodgers, Monroe HS (WA)
Emma Helm C/1B Washington Majestics, Meadowdale HS (WA)
Nawai Kaupe IF Hawai'i Pearls Maui (Wailuki, HI)
Gabbie Plain P Harrington Park Scorpions (Sydney, Australia), Australian U19 Team


Transfers:

Taryn Atlee, FR, 2B/SS, from Rutgers - 1st Team All-Big Ten as a Freshman. Will step into a starting middle IF spot.

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/6/11/15780354/husky-softball-adds-star-freshman-transfer-infielder-rutgers

It is also rumored that Parker Conrad, a freshman pitcher, who is transferring from Missouri, is interested in Washington. Not sure if UW has scholarships available for both Atlee and Conrad...
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Taryn Atlee 2017 stats: 168ab, 35r, 66h, 7dbl, 4trpl, 1hr, 17rbi, .500slg%, 14bb, 14so, .443ob%, 10-13sb, 13e, .942fld%.
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They lost Aguilar and Stangel... I am guessing that is 1.6 athletic or less

Plain has to be costing a lot (at least .7) to make the long haul worthwhile

And the four freshmen have to combine for .8 to 1.2 scholarships...

Sounds like someone is some selling ice to eskimos up there.... Bravo

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The local freshmen, Allen and Helm, are probably getting next to nothing.  That is the typical Tarr MO.
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Even, if the frosh are getting .5 to .8, point stands
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Even, if the frosh are getting .5 to .8, point stands


Yes, your point is still valid.  Just minor adjustment.  She is known to give local players nothing to cost of books.
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Yes, your point is still valid.  Just minor adjustment.  She is known to give local players nothing to cost of books.
And, THAT is the power of having in-state players on the roster. Those kids usually can get their total scholarship/grant level jacked up through in-state programs and then, a partial remaining amount is much lesser of a load as opposed to the out-of-state number

Again, illustrative of why private institutions are up against the wall regarding making it to OKC
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2017-18 Signed Recruits:

Noelle Hee 1B/C OC Batbusters, Orange Lutheran HS (Orange, CA)
Morgan Allen C/SS Sundodgers, Monroe HS (WA)
Emma Helm C/1B Washington Majestics, Meadowdale HS (WA)
Nawai Kaupe IF Hawai'i Pearls Maui (Wailuki, HI)
Gabbie Plain P Harrington Park Scorpions (Sydney, Australia), Australian U19 Team


Transfers:

Taryn Atlee, FR, 2B/SS, from Rutgers - 1st Team All-Big Ten as a Freshman. Will step into a starting middle IF spot.

http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/6/11/15780354/husky-softball-adds-star-freshman-transfer-infielder-rutgers

It is also rumored that Parker Conrad, a freshman pitcher, who is transferring from Missouri, is interested in Washington. Not sure if UW has scholarships available for both Atlee and Conrad...


I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.

My guess:
Bates -2B
Van Zee - 3B
Flores - C
Kuape - SS
Deponte - DP
Thomas - 1B
Gallagher - RF
Atlee -LF
Burdick -CF

Atlee hit nearly 400 (in an inferior league) so she may move up. Also Deponte can play 1B and may be better defensively than KT, we'll see. As it stands, gallagher, Melhart and Gibson will compete for that 7 spot.
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And, THAT is the power of having in-state players on the roster. Those kids usually can get their total scholarship/grant level jacked up through in-state programs and then, a partial remaining amount is much lesser of a load as opposed to the out-of-state number

Again, illustrative of why private institutions are up against the wall regarding making it to OKC


WA has to squeeze blood from a turnip because they don't offer academic money to anyone. They've done a great job, but are at a significant disadvantage against schools (like OR and pretty much every other PAC school including Stanford) that offer academic money.
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The past four years, Washington averaged six in-state kids per roster (24). Oregon State and Oregon combined averaged less than five (19)

The Oregon schools, with a barren in-state landscape plus no glitter of a big city like Seattle, are at a disadvantage compared with Washington.

And, Eugene's academic scholly offerings are no game-changer, especially when a kid is from out of state and is getting 50 percent or less athletic.

A half athletic scholarship (a decent percentage for a non-pitcher/catcher/game-changing hitter) means a family has to come up with more than 20 grand a year at the out-of-state 44000+ total cost number.

That represents zero margin for error... and the player pool becomes the best players from well-off families, as opposed to the best players period.

Washington, like Utah, Michigan and Minnesota and the northern climes, is in a similar boat as the Oregon schools, but I would not say that they squeeze blood from stones to the degree White and Berg have to.

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The past four years, Washington averaged six in-state kids per roster (24). Oregon State and Oregon combined averaged less than five (19)

The Oregon schools, with a barren in-state landscape plus no glitter of a big city like Seattle, are at a disadvantage compared with Washington.

And, Eugene's academic scholly offerings are no game-changer, especially when a kid is from out of state and is getting 50 percent or less athletic.

A half athletic scholarship (a decent percentage for a non-pitcher/catcher/game-changing hitter) means a family has to come up with more than 20 grand a year at the out-of-state 44000+ total cost number.

That represents zero margin for error... and the player pool becomes the best players from well-off families, as opposed to the best players period.

Washington, like Utah, Michigan and Minnesota and the northern climes, is in a similar boat as the Oregon schools, but I would not say that they squeeze blood from stones to the degree White and Berg have to.



Both Berg and White have academic money. It makes a big difference. OR for instance, gives one of their pitchers full out of state money but only roughly 1/2 comes from athletics. If she were at WA, that would be 1 full scholarship. It is true that WA has gotten some production from in-state kids, but the top performers in the last several years at least have been out of state. That, combined with the administration not kicking in MM for a new stadium makes it tough to compete for top recruits.
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Both Berg and White have academic money. It makes a big difference. OR for instance, gives one of their pitchers full out of state money but only roughly 1/2 comes from athletics. If she were at WA, that would be 1 full scholarship. It is true that WA has gotten some production from in-state kids, but the top performers in the last several years at least have been out of state. That, combined with the administration not kicking in MM for a new stadium makes it tough to compete for top recruits.
UW is one of the top 5 idyllic settings to play softball. And, Jane Sanders was built totally on private donations (non-Nike).

This does link not list athletic scholarships as a disqualifier: https://admit.washington.edu/costs-and-financial-aid/scholarships/purple-and-gold

Similar to this, though admittedly at a somewhat smaller award: https://financialaid.uoregon.edu/summit




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Lisa Peterson, Asst. Athletic Director at Oregon, has control of a full scholarship which is in addition to the 12 athletic scholarships available for softball.

The only stipulations are that it must go to a resident of Oregon or Washington and that it cannot be split.

It was that way at least through the 2016 season.

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How does Oregon circumvent NCAA regs with a 13 scholarship?
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I still can't believe Aguilar and Stangel are gone.

These guys were like Butch and Sundance. Great left-handed intimidators who turned me into Ted Striker every time they came up to bat.

It makes life easier for pitchers, but it furthers my irritation that these players don't have a facsimile continued feasible professional athletic life like the men do.

RE-spect

https://twitter.com/Pac12Network/status/874829763365359618
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How does Oregon circumvent NCAA regs with a 13 scholarship?


It is not, I believe, technically an athletic scholarship.  I think it is endowed by a private party.  I also think it has academic strings; but somehow it got awarded to a softball player. 

All I know for sure is that at exit interview, Mike White told a player that he wanted to take away her athletic scholarship to use the money for others; but that Lisa Peterson had the ability to award a four year full scholarship which was restricted to Oregon or Washington residents and he proposed to have it given to her in lieu of  the athletic scholarship.  She accepted the proposal and continued in school on that scholarship and on the Oregon softball team until she graduated and used up her eligibility at the end of the 2016 season.

I don't know if it is being used by a current softball player, but there is only one on the current roster who meets the residency requirements.

If things like this occur at Oregon,  I would not doubt for a moment that similar situations exist elsewhere also.
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I still can't believe Aguilar and Stangel are gone.

These guys were like Butch and Sundance. Great left-handed intimidators who turned me into Ted Striker every time they came up to bat.

It makes life easier for pitchers, but it furthers my irritation that these players don't have a facsimile continued feasible professional athletic life like the men do.

RE-spect

https://twitter.com/Pac12Network/status/874829763365359618


Well, Ali is going to go play for Team USA and Stangel wants to be a baseball GM. But yeah, it would be nice if there were a little more direct route to a sports career for these women that would actually keep the lights on long term. I like the Japanese model. Maybe someday we'll have that here.
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WA has to squeeze blood from a turnip because they don't offer academic money to anyone. They've done a great job, but are at a significant disadvantage against schools (like OR and pretty much every other PAC school including Stanford) that offer academic money.


Academic money is nearly impossible to get at UCLA. Competition is stiff with the General student body.
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LOL... except every stud player at UCLA is IN-STATE!
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I understand your point. I was just answering CJS's statement regarding "pretty much every other PAC school" offering academic money. It is not part of the equation for most of the "stud players" there.
Perhaps a contributing factor as to why their team is pretty much "IN-STATE"?
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I understand your point. I was just answering CJS's statement regarding "pretty much every other PAC school" offering academic money. It is not part of the equation for most of the "stud players" at UCLA. Perhaps a contributing factor as to why their team is pretty much "IN-STATE"?
Being 'in stiff competition' with the general student body, to me, is not the same as 'not offering academic money to athletes'... which is what cjs posited
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I understand your point. I was just answering CJS's statement regarding "pretty much every other PAC school" offering academic money. It is not part of the equation for most of the "stud players" at UCLA. Perhaps a contributing factor as to why their team is pretty much "IN-STATE"?
I would say not. Why would KIP ever try to go out of state when the same caliber player is available in state?
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Steve, I'm not trying to get in a war of words with you. Just answering that academic money is not an option for them. Period. Have a nice day😊
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The local freshmen, Allen and Helm, are probably getting next to nothing.  That is the typical Tarr MO.


They get admittance to the premiere university in the state, access to the team training table, and academic supports. If they get their books paid, that can be a healthy chunk these days. They also pay in-state tuition and are eligible for academic scholarships, Pell Grants, and other aid. And they get to play softball.

Tarr, by the way, was a walk-on herself.
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They get admittance to the premiere university in the state, access to the team training table, and academic supports. If they get their books paid, that can be a healthy chunk these days. They also pay in-state tuition and are eligible for academic scholarships, Pell Grants, and other aid. And they get to play softball.

Tarr, by the way, was a walk-on herself.


lol A Bridge Too Far buddy.

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Being 'in stiff competition' with the general student body, to me, is not the same as 'not offering academic money to athletes'... which is what cjs posited


What I meant was that there is such strong competition from the general population at uw that at least in the last 4 years, not a single softball player has received a dime of academic money from uw. Test scores, grades, prospective majors and, from what I hear, black magic goes into the scholarship selection process and only the very few, cream of the crop students get money (and not a lot of money at that). Coaches tell the players not to expect any money so, practically speaking, I'd say there is no reliable money.

I know at OR at least 3 players have received significant money in the last few years. I know some at OSU, AZ, ASU and Stanford have received money as well. I don't know, but I would expect utah has money for softball athletes as well. I could imagine ucla and cal having issues with competion with the general population like uw, but as pointed out, they are in the talent hotbed of the country so oos tuition isn't much of a problem.

I don't know specifics of these programs or if athletes receive preferential consideration, but I do know that they actually give considerable academic money to softball players and UW does not.
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How does all that square with Title 9 considerations. 
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They get admittance to the premiere university in the state, access to the team training table, and academic supports. If they get their books paid, that can be a healthy chunk these days. They also pay in-state tuition and are eligible for academic scholarships, Pell Grants, and other aid. And they get to play softball.

Tarr, by the way, was a walk-on herself.
According to cjs, none of that academic money is on the table for those kids as you wax poetic

 

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What I meant was that there is such strong competition from the general population at uw that at least in the last 4 years, not a single softball player has received a dime of academic money from uw. Test scores, grades, prospective majors and, from what I hear, black magic goes into the scholarship selection process and only the very few, cream of the crop students get money (and not a lot of money at that). Coaches tell the players not to expect any money so, practically speaking, I'd say there is no reliable money. I know at OR at least 3 players have received significant money in the last few years. I know some at OSU, AZ, ASU and Stanford have received money as well. I don't know, but I would expect utah has money for softball athletes as well. I could imagine ucla and cal having issues with competion with the general population like uw, but as pointed out, they are in the talent hotbed of the country so oos tuition isn't much of a problem. I don't know specifics of these programs or if athletes receive preferential consideration, but I do know that they actually give considerable academic money to softball players and UW does not.
It hits the nose and does not smell like a rose. WAYYYY too much out-of-state talent going up there for it to be out of the sheer kindness of their hearts and the mere privilege to wear purple and gold.

Y'all make it sound like this is a hub of academia, like Stanford or Michigan and UCLA (among schools who can play WCWS softball). It is 54 in the latest USNews rankings. Ahead of Oregon, for sure, but well behind the schools (No. 27 in Ann Arbor and 24 in Westwood) that truly are difficult to get academic money out of.

And, I am not sure what you KNOW about Oregon either. Does not jibe what I think I know. LOL. But sometimes, what I think I know, I don't. So stipulated.

What is this nebulous term 'significant money'?

I mean, I would give you that 18 percent is not....nothing. But, usually, that is getting barely anyone to 100


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I doubt they take Conrad from what I've heard. I've also heard they are likely to ask Atlee to move to the outfield because they really like Kaupe.


Tarr: "Nawai (Kaupe) is a tooled shortstop from Maui, with a plus arm. She has the potential to compete right away in our middle infield. She does the things the great middle infielders can do, she makes plays that are difficult to teach."
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