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jayrot

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And Washington fans. Sorry for hijacking. Lesson: learn when it's ok to risk a loss in the grand scheme of things. I honestly feel the smartest part of coaching is planning when you can lose (obviously you never want to lose).
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I think that two straight 292-inning seasons would have been no titles for that team. As it was, a dropped popup bailed out the Sooners that year
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And Washington fans. Sorry for hijacking. Lesson: learn when it's ok to risk a loss in the grand scheme of things. I honestly feel the smartest part of coaching is planning when you can lose (obviously you never want to lose).


Agreed. But I, personally, think Tarr could use that advise when choosing to put out her 3rd option at pitcher.

It seems there have been more times than not when I wish she would have put in a reliever for the last inning or 2 when she's stayed with Schreyer.

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Obviously the offense mattered but I still argue dropping from 280 innings as a sophomore to 180 innings as a senior played a major role as well (if not the major role). She threw a 100 less innings in a year she won the championship as opposed to 100 more innings in a year she went 2nQ as a sophomore. Or just looking at simple numbers, she gave up 7 runs in 2 games in 2011 wcws vs 8 runs in 4 games in 2013.


I'd have to agree with you. [biggrin]
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Agreed. But I, personally, think Tarr could use that advise when choosing to put out her 3rd option at pitcher. It seems there have been more times than not when I wish she would have put in a reliever for the last inning or 2 when she's stayed with Schreyer.


Well, the reliever in this case was a true freshman, Sam Manti, who had yet to throw a single college pitch. Tarr did put her in, but only after the damage was done. She gave up a hit, but no runs.

Developing a #3 pitcher is obviously a priority, with Sam Manti a clear candidate, along with redshirt sophomore Kristin Cochran, who sat out last season. It is always a question whether a reliever will bring relief, coming in often with runners on base or in scoring position, with the game in the balance.
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Well, the reliever in this case was a true freshman, Sam Manti, who had yet to throw a single college pitch. Tarr did put her in, but only after the damage was done. She gave up a hit, but no runs.

Developing a #3 pitcher is obviously a priority, with Sam Manti a clear candidate, along with redshirt sophomore Kristin Cochran, who sat out last season. It is always a question whether a reliever will bring relief, coming in often with runners on base or in scoring position, with the game in the balance.


Agreed on Manti. A frosh is an unknown commodity. I was mainly thinking of Cochran who has a little bit of experience at this level.

Obviously, Tarr knows better than I. So it's pure conjecture.

 I was mainly referencing Schreyer/Stengel last year. Obviously Stengel isn't an option this year so I would have hoped we had a viable 3rd option out of the gate.

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I think Schreyer ended up relieving Alvelo (and to some degree Alvelo relieving Schreyer) because Stangel was so "up and down" in that role, although she improved a good deal later in the season. I do think that Tarr believes that Manti and/or Cochran can do the job, or Stangel wouldn't be just focusing on hitting and playing left field.
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I think that two straight 292-inning seasons would have been no titles for that team. As it was, a dropped popup bailed out the Sooners that year


What you talking about Willis? In 2013, OU was by far the best team that year!
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Without the Gibson drop, Sooners lose
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Thought coach Tarr would have had more success pitching by committee last season.
Think the same this season.

Reasoning:

Alvelo is not the physical specimen that Danielle Lawrie was.  If coach Tarr tries to ride Alvelo like she did Lawrie and as it looks at first blush that she might, I think she will wear out much sooner.  Also, the more innings, the more exposure to normal or fatigue related injury.

Madi is strong and has Alabama moments but has never handled diversity real well.  If you can tag her early, your chances are good.  Usually good one time through the order but after that it is anyone's guess.  She has not shown any signs of overcoming that to date.

I still think that they would all be more effective if the opponents did not see enough of any of them to get comfortable.  The more regularly they all pitch, the sharper they would probably all stay. 

Just one opinion and maybe worth what you paid for it.

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Tarr shouldn't have to ride Alvelo like she had to Lawrie - Schreyer is a capable back-up and Manti, from what I've read, is a promising young prospect. She's also got a much better hitting team than in 2010.
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Tarr shouldn't have to ride Alvelo like she had to Lawrie - Schreyer is a capable back-up and Manti, from what I've read, is a promising young prospect. She's also got a much better hitting team than in 2010.


She should not have to... but will she?  Now that is the question.
Much better hitting; absolutely.  Scoring;  that remains to be seen.

I thought last year that this year could be a great year for the huskies.  I still think so.  They have a couple of real impressive wins to start off the season.  Consistency?  It will be interesting to observe.
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Without the Gibson drop, Sooners lose


That's a hypothetical. Sooners came back the very next game and shut out Tennessee. There was no stopping OU that year. I didn't see OU losing a game 3. Realistically OU should've won 3 of the last 5, but SEC umpiring cost us the one in 2012.
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That's a hypothetical. Sooners came back the very next game and shut out Tennessee. There was no stopping OU that year. I didn't see OU losing a game 3. Realistically OU should've won 3 of the last 5, but SEC umpiring cost us the one in 2012.


Found another little 'hypothetical' for ya.

Your ability to whine about the things you feel entitled to will never be matched by another poster. You have your two recent titles and you still want to cry about the one you didn't get? Unbelievable.

P.S. Bama won, OU lost. Pick up the pieces and keep it moving before you drown in your own tears.
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I think Schreyer ended up relieving Alvelo (and to some degree Alvelo relieving Schreyer) because Stangel was so "up and down" in that role, although she improved a good deal later in the season. I do think that Tarr believes that Manti and/or Cochran can do the job, or Stangel wouldn't be just focusing on hitting and playing left field.
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She should not have to... but will she?  Now that is the question.
Much better hitting; absolutely.  Scoring;  that remains to be seen.

I thought last year that this year could be a great year for the huskies.  I still think so.  They have a couple of real impressive wins to start off the season.  Consistency?  It will be interesting to observe.


I think she'd rather have solid #1 and #2 starters, like she had with Inglesby and Walker. Stanchek was the #3/Reliever. Note, however, that it took Walker a couple years to develop. Unfortunately, they didn't have the bats to make a real run at the championship.

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They don't have that pitching depth. Maybe next year. But, Alvelo is a legit 1. Just need to keep her upright this year
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They don't have that pitching depth. Maybe next year. But, Alvelo is a legit 1. Just need to keep her upright this year


I mean maybe it's me but Walker wasn't that solid until her senior year. To me, she was about as average as Shreyer is. I wasn't ever expecting Walker to win the big one but she was good enough to go a game by herself and possibly hold the opponent down long enough for that offense to win. Her senior year she was much like Gas from OU.

I think they have enough depth to limit Alvelo's work. Remember she had that injury late last season (thankfully or Bama would've been dead in the water). I'd be more concerned about that returning than getting a top 8 seed.
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Schreyer got the win (9-1) yesterday at LBSU: 6.1ip, 3h, 1r, 1er, 3k, 3bb. Cochran came in with one out in the ninth (after an HBP by Schreyer) and struck out the next two batters.

Very premature to say that UW has no pitching depth. If that was the case, I doubt that Tarr would have switched Stangel exclusively to LF/DH.

http://www.gohuskies.com/news/2017/2/14/softball-huskies-roll-past-long-beach-state-9-1.aspx

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Let's also remember that in the year they made the Final Four, Inglesby and Walker both started out very slowly and only gained peak form in the last 6 weeks of the season. I'm hoping that kind of progress will happen this year to take the pressure off of Alvelo. I think that Schreyer has natural limitations and it will be up to Tarr to figure out how best to use her. If any other pitcher can step up, it will just be icing on the cake.
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All this about Shreyer, and I wonder if Stanford fans are sitting with their hands folded thinking "we'd love to have her back at Stanford."
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Stanford and UW? Different expectations entirely.
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Stanford was looking pretty good, until getting run-ruled 24-8 by Fresno State. Their starter gave up ten runs over 1.1 innings.

Schreyer stayed loyal, after Kelsey Stevens and Carley Hoover jumped ship. Came back, got injured (back), redshirted. In return, Stanford gave her a release to return home to play for Washington without sitting out.

Don't know if her back injury is a lingering factor (pitch counts?), but I know that last season she had some mechanical issues (a tendency to side-arm or "chicken-wing" her pitches). Good hitters can zero in on a good pitcher in the late innings, especially if one of her pitches isn't working.
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Don't know if her back injury is a lingering factor (pitch counts?),


That'd be why I was asking if she could go a full game.  Logically with Manti there, she shouldn't need to.
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Schreyer was not coming back to Stanford last season, period. Coming home without sitting was just the icing on the cake. Think just a little and you will probably come up with a couple of possible things, other than benevolence, which may have induced them to let her go to Washington without sitting a year.  
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Found another little 'hypothetical' for ya.

Your ability to whine about the things you feel entitled to will never be matched by another poster. You have your two recent titles and you still want to cry about the one you didn't get? Unbelievable.

P.S. Bama won, OU lost. Pick up the pieces and keep it moving before you drown in your own tears.


Tell me moron. Has Georgia won a championship in softball?

I didn't think so. Georgia chokes more on a big stage than any other college. Bwahaha
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Boy oh boy! There's nothing quite like a good, in-depth discussion of UW softball, right here on good old Robocoach. Every day, I can't wait to read what's new about my Huskies - it's worth every penny I pay for it.
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Tell me moron. Has Georgia won a championship in softball? I didn't think so. Georgia chokes more on a big stage than any other college. Bwahaha


But do you see me crying? Tell me: what do you call what Oklahoma did when lil' ole Bama danced in the rain? They sure as hell didn't respond... They threw temper tantrums, Martinez had a meltdown, and... Wait for it... They lost

Have a good one!
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But do you see me crying? Tell me: what do you call what Oklahoma did when lil' ole Bama danced in the rain? They sure as hell didn't respond... They threw temper tantrums, Martinez had a meltdown, and... Wait for it... They lost

Have a good one!


You do realize this is the "Washington 2017" thread, right? How about taking your argument to somewhere more appropriate.
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You do realize this is the "Washington 2017" thread, right? How about taking your argument to somewhere more appropriate.


I'm perfectly aware of where I am, but thanks for the attempt to guide me elsewhere. It's a forum: conversations drift from the original content more than they stay on topic, so you'll just have to excuse me if I continue putting my opinion wherever I see fit. You act like there's a shortage of Washington conversation... Holy hell!
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