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ForeverInBlue

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Perhaps, but I'm not seeing examples of voting machines flipping to Republican, and the like. But feel free to provide current examples of Republican voter malfeasance to balance the evidence.
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Perhaps, but I'm not seeing examples of voting machines flipping to Republican, and the like. 


You wouldn't.  Conservative media wouldn't show it and Liberal media doesn't go out of its way to show an occasional flaw in the voting system.

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Lost_1 - I don't see any substance in your study but for the sake of argument let's assume the assumptions are all true.  These non-citizens have beat us already in the registration process and therefore will beat us again in the voting booth.  Why we're disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters in order to try and catch a few people we'll clearly never catch anyway is beyond me.
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Lost_1 - I don't see any substance in your study but for the sake of argument let's assume the assumptions are all true.  These non-citizens have beat us already in the registration process and therefore will beat us again in the voting booth.  Why we're disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters in order to try and catch a few people we'll clearly never catch anyway is beyond me.



Or you don't want to?  Not my study, CCES is based at that right wing bastion.... Harvard, wait you say Harvard isn't over run with Teabaggers.......


http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/cces/home

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Lost_1 - Here are all the counters to why the study is questionable.  That said, I'm willing to accept it all as factual and then hear your response to my question above.  If they're beating us in registration, these voter ID laws are simply interfering with law abiding voters and won't effect the frauds.
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Perhaps, but I'm not seeing examples of voting machines flipping to Republican, and the like. 


You wouldn't.  Conservative media wouldn't show it and Liberal media doesn't go out of its way to show an occasional flaw in the voting system.


I wouldn't find any because Liberal media wouldnt report suspected voting fraud by republicans??

That's just so absurd as to be hilarious. Hahahha hahhahahaha!!!!


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Lost_1 - Here are all the counters to why the study is questionable.  That said, I'm willing to accept it all as factual and then hear your response to my question above.  If they're beating us in registration, these voter ID laws are simply interfering with law abiding voters and won't effect the frauds.



Yep, Media Matters is on the same plane as Harvard...[rofl]

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Lost_1 - I don't see any substance in your study but for the sake of argument let's assume the assumptions are all true.  These non-citizens have beat us already in the registration process and therefore will beat us again in the voting booth.  Why we're disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters in order to try and catch a few people we'll clearly never catch anyway is beyond me.


Tens of thousands???? Where did you pull that number from?

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He may as well say tens of millions or tens of billions or tens if gazillions, since he's just making it up anyway.

Besides, requiring ID is not disenfranchising anyone. Unless they weren't franchised to begin with.

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At least as important as the number disenfranchised is the real  motive behind the passage of the law.  Assigning motive is a tricky business, but my suspicious perspective of politics leads me to examine which political party passed the law, and which political party will benefit from it when votes are cast, and draw my own conclusions.  Remember the Gerrymander monster?   
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So what's the number of disenfranchised, half the population of Mexico and Central America? Just kidding!

But seriously, how do people function in our society without an ID? And why is it bad for them to get one? In california it is illegal to not have an ID. I'm really curious how many people don't have one, yet are willing and otherwise able to vote.

And what do you guess the motive is for ensuring the integrity of the voting process?

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And why is it bad for them to get one? 


FIB - It's unnecessary.  These voters proved their qualifications when they registered.  It's just another hurdle for reasons I've already stated.  I saw a story yesterday saying many folks took the time to drive in and get their ID only to find out they were out of blank cards.  Told to come back another day.

Lost_1 - The folks who explained the problems with the study were not Media Matters staff.  They were individuals from various sources explaining why this study had serious mistakes and Media Matters added their studies to its website.  Even those who came up with this study admitted some problems.  I can't find the people who provide the countering information to studies like these in Conservative websites.  Sorry.

Secondly, the tens of thousands is the number going around regarding Texans who may be disenfranchised.  Been on several programs. 

Lastly, I told you we can use the facts of your study for argument purposes.  Now explain to me if these non-citizens beat you at registration how are you going to stop them at the voting booth?  Regardless what some of you think, the primary people you are chasing here are those who show up and try to vote under a different name.  It's my belief they're nearly nonexistent.

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You can believe whatever you want but you would be wrong in that belief.
Just because voter fraud does not hurt your candidates does not mean it does not occur.
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spazsdad - I wouldn't use the word "nearly" if I thought there was zero fraud in voting.  With these ID laws, there will still be an insignificant amount of fraud.  It will never be zero.
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You know, a person hears a concern regarding voter ID, in order to fight supposed fraud, and just as they give it deeper thought they hear the phrase low information lemmings who just vote for a free check.  Boom, you're shaken right back to your senses and dismiss the concern entirely.  Same with the concern that Government policies may make poor folks too dependent on Uncle Sam and thus is actually holding them back.  As soon as you give this concern deeper thought you hear the terms moochers and leeches and, once again, you're shaken right back to your senses and dismiss the concern entirely.  Someday, Republicans will learn to recognize this conflict as a significant problem.
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in Blue - Why do I get the funny feeling that "insuring the integrity of the voting process" also benefits one of the two major Parties in power in a specific situation?  It's kind of the same feeling I got when a military invasion was called "Operation Freedom".  I do admit that these "coincidences" could be just that, but my experience with the political process tells me different.  Just sayin !!  
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"So absurd as to be hilarious" - you mean like the Democrats "buying votes" by keeping people on Welfare?  ha, ha, ha.   [wave] 
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Re Dewey's wisdom for Republicans in post 76

^^^^^ Picture the captain of the Titanic as he scolds the iceberg. ^^^^^

Bwhahahaha!!!

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"So absurd as to be hilarious" - you mean like the Democrats "buying votes" by keeping people on Welfare?  ha, ha, ha.   [wave] 


Clearly you are showing ignorance with that statement, stay on the porch Mr. Gump.  I don't understand what's so damn funny, that's part of the washington way.

p.s. ha, ha, ha [wave]

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in Blue - Why do I get the funny feeling that "insuring the integrity of the voting process" also benefits one of the two major Parties in power in a specific situation?  It's kind of the same feeling I got when a military invasion was called "Operation Freedom".  I do admit that these "coincidences" could be just that, but my experience with the political process tells me different.  Just sayin !!  


In theory voting integrity benefits all involved.

Btw, which party benefits from less integrity?

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"So absurd as to be hilarious" - you mean like the Democrats "buying votes" by keeping people on Welfare?  ha, ha, ha.   [wave] 


So you also think the liberal media would cover up, or at least fail to report, Republican voter fraud?

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"So absurd as to be hilarious" - you mean like the Democrats "buying votes" by keeping people on Welfare?  ha, ha, ha.   [wave] 


So you also think the liberal media would cover up, or at least fail to report, Republican voter fraud?


Add: recall this same media swarmed all over Bridgegate, charging Christies office with causing a traffic jam. But they'd ignore it if Christie was cheating at the polls. Yeah, okay.

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Real - "Mr. Gump"???  You are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, running out of nasty names to call others and misreading others' posts.  What does that say about you, that you are not afraid to speak your mind and have the stones to do so????  Ye Gads, young fella !!!!    
You have become a caricature of yourself.  All that said, remember that Momma always said that stupid is as stupid does. She also said something about chocolates and life.  [rofl]   [wave]  
[rofl]

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Thank you Forest. Glad you got that "caracature of yourself" put into play once more this week. You sure are entertaining.

I don't know, why don't you tell me what is says about me. You're the one that said democrats don't buy votes? What does that say about you?

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Real - Now let's get this straight in language that even you will understand correctly.  i never said that Democrats don't steal or buy votes. Somehow you misinterpreted that to your biased advantage.   I have stated specifically that all politicians and every political Party steal and buy votes. Pragmatism is the only philosophy followed. "Gotta get elected before I can do anything".   IT'S THE SYSTEM, MAN !!!  As for "The Washington Way" that you are so fond of repeating, power brokers from big money affect legislation and governmental contracts every day (that's what lobbyists are hired to do).  It is accepted as just part of the system, and neither major Party has clean hands in our federal government.  It's about acquisition of power to control financial distribution. "Follow the money".  By the way, I believe that there are two "r's" in Forrest.
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I didn't know for sure. I went to school with a Forest with 1 r. You're right however, the Forrest that you remind me of has 2. Your other worthless verbiage I already knew
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"So absurd as to be hilarious" - you mean like the Democrats "buying votes" by keeping people on Welfare?  ha, ha, ha.   [wave] 




This is what you wrote. Maybe you don't even understand what you are writing now. So please explain the silliness in your above quote because it sounded like you disagreed and FIB has tried asking you for clarification with no success.

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http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/29/la-raza-promotes-washington-post-guide-on-where-people-can-vote-without-an-id/
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More Dem voter fraud now in North Carolina.

Video to come. Wonder if there will be any prosecution?

I'll bet no. Not with the Democrats we have in office now there won't.

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1)  This videographer is a con man and probably taped dozens of poll workers who said "you can't vote if you're illegal" until he found one or two whose only understanding is if you're registered, you get a ballot.  That's assuming these folks they spoke to are even legit.

2)  Oh yeah, if you're registered, you do get a ballot.

3)  It's also possible these people are all props put there by the people making the video.

4)  NC is a red State with a Republican Governor.  If folks are violating the law there, can't they simply be arrested and prosecuted?  Surely the GOP can enforce laws in a Republican State, can't they?

5)  It's a close race in NC and there is no limit to what the GOP will do to make Democrats look bad.  This video that's running on Fox News and elsewhere these final days before the election is simply another example.

6)  This is the type of activity you get when a Party hates the other Party and election time is here.  Hopefully the readers aren't gullible enough to buy into these attacks.




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