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JoiseyGuy

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Dewey - It doesn't take "hate" though that can certainly be a byproduct as we have seen here on UCS.  It is simply a pragmatic exercise in at attempt to get individual or bloc votes or to get financial endorsements from big business.  That's how people get elected.  After they are elected, they are "influenced". An idealist with whom I was friendly ran for and won a Senate seat.  He told me, "I was so shocked at what people I had to 'go to bed with' in order to win an election - so many low life types".  Then he went to Washington, DC and was destroyed by the system that scoffed at his idealism.  The title "Dirty Tricks" didn't come about because everyone plays nice in the political sand box.  Also the fervent in each Party are "gullible" enough to believe they are right and have all the answers.  The general voting public (I state a generalization that is untrue in specific) is very gullible and highly subject to emotional responses.  Just tell them that "we" are going to put a dollar into their pocket, and the other Party" is going to take it away.  Find out what they want and promise it to them.  So it goes.  
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Spin all you want boys.

Hey JG, since you have it all figured out, how many dollars did Obama put in your pocket?
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I think Mr. Gump doesn't understand the difference in "emotional" and "passionate".  He is neither, I understand.  Sometimes getting borderline emotional while chastising keepinitreal however.

 I see him write about so many who are "emotional" but NEVER see him describe someone as "passionate".  I think passion about ANYTHING fades away as you age.  I know many, many, many elderly in my life and that is what I have observed, Mr. Gump just reinforces it with his lack of passion.

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Is using a government agency to influence elections considered voter fraud? Or corruption?

Because isn't this curious? Is this what desperation looks like?

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/fbi-announces-investigation-of-gop-senate-candidate-days-before-election/
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Have you ever known a couple where one of the two constantly harps on the other?  I mean like it never ends.  You're drinking too much, you're talking too much, you're putting me down, you're not listening to me, are we going to talk about this, etc.  That's pretty much what this forum reminds me of these days.  Don't do this, don't do that, I can't believe what you're doing now, why are you doing that?  On and on and on.  I can understand why politicians do this as they're trying to fool millions with what often is nothing but misleading information and accusations.  I can understand why TV and radio hosts do this as they try to rile up one particular political side in order to build a huge angry audience to make a buck.  However, for the life of me, I can't understand why the everyday John and Jane Does choose to go down this road in such a public way for such a long time.  Got to give some of you credit for endurance when it comes to harping.  In any event, just look at me as one of those people who can't help but come to the defense of the individual, friend or President, who's constantly ragged upon.  I feel compelled to support rather than to abandon.  What can I say?
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Is using a government agency to influence elections considered voter fraud? Or corruption?

Because isn't this curious? Is this what desperation looks like?

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/fbi-announces-investigation-of-gop-senate-candidate-days-before-election/


It occurred to me, it might even be racketeering. RICO statue, anyone?
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1)  This videographer is a con man and probably taped dozens of poll workers who said "you can't vote if you're illegal" until he found one or two whose only understanding is if you're registered, you get a ballot.  That's assuming these folks they spoke to are even legit.

2)  Oh yeah, if you're registered, you do get a ballot.

3)  It's also possible these people are all props put there by the people making the video.

4)  NC is a red State with a Republican Governor.  If folks are violating the law there, can't they simply be arrested and prosecuted?  Surely the GOP can enforce laws in a Republican State, can't they?

5)  It's a close race in NC and there is no limit to what the GOP will do to make Democrats look bad.  This video that's running on Fox News and elsewhere these final days before the election is simply another example.

6)  This is the type of activity you get when a Party hates the other Party and election time is here.  Hopefully the readers aren't gullible enough to buy into these attacks.





Dewey, the motor voter registration act signed into law by Clinton mandated that every person of voting age be given a voter registration application when applying for a drivers license. Do you think this is an isolated incident?  





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woody - I'm not sure what you're asking but I have my doubts whether this video is even legit. That said, if your question is should one be approved for voter registration if they can't prove citizenship, then my answer is no.  Contrary to what you hear on talk radio or read here, Democrats don't want non-citizens voting.
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Bill Smith Dewey. Illegal aliens are the next Dem voter base. Why do you think Obama is going to give executive amnesty to all of them after the election? Dems do want all the votes they can get, legal, illegal, dead, or absentee. 
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The latest on LaFaro -

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/10/maricopa_county_gop_chairman_sued_for_defamation_over_voter-fraud_allegatio.php

Voter fraud - yeah, right, Mr. Chairman.

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Democrats don't want non-citizens voting.

That is your take. Are you the spokesman for the DNC. I believe otherwise as it has been shown to be true on numerous occasions.

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Let's just put an end to any notion that the number of illegal votes is so insignificant that they don't really matter and / or that non-citizen voting doesn't impact outcomes.

Note: the video up above shows a Democrat advising a non-citizen voter.


STUDY: VOTING BY NON-CITIZENS TIPS BALANCE FOR DEMOCRATS

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/10/26/Study-Voting-by-Non-Citizens-Tips-Balance-for-Democrats
ForeverInBlue

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Non-citizens are voting

http://m.nationalreview.com/article/391474/non-citizens-are-voting-john-fund
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1)  Hispanics voted for Obama at 67 and 71% rates.  This study decided to simply use 80% as the number of non-citizens who would vote Democrat.  Totally bogus and pure speculation.

2)  Voters who register with false ID's will not be stopped by ID laws.  They would already be prepared.  ID laws are an intrusion on the rest of US citizens and are primarily aimed at suppressing the vote of poor people.

3)  If significant numbers of non-citizens were voting, you can bet your last dollar GOP leaders in red States would prosecute some in order to show the entire Country fraud is a problem.  They don't because it isn't.

4)  Take the Registration rolls and go door to door validating those registered and removing those who don't belong.  Democrats would support such a decision.  Leave law abiding citizens alone with all these crazy laws.

5)  The people in the video may be props put there in order to make Democrats look bad in hopes a misleading video can win some votes for the GOP.  The news for the day is please don't fall for everything a partisan hack puts together in a manufactured video and please don't eat any unwrapped Halloween candy.
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1)  Hispanics voted for Obama at 67 and 71% rates.  This study decided to simply use 80% as the number of non-citizens who would vote Democrat.  Totally bogus and pure speculation.

2)  Voters who register with false ID's will not be stopped by ID laws.  They would already be prepared.  ID laws are an intrusion on the rest of US citizens and are primarily aimed at suppressing the vote of poor people.

3)  If significant numbers of non-citizens were voting, you can bet your last dollar GOP leaders in red States would prosecute some in order to show the entire Country fraud is a problem.  They don't because it isn't.

4)  Take the Registration rolls and go door to door validating those registered and removing those who don't belong.  Democrats would support such a decision.  Leave law abiding citizens alone with all these crazy laws.

5)  The people in the video may be props put there in order to make Democrats look bad in hopes a misleading video can win some votes for the GOP.  The news for the day is please don't fall for everything a partisan hack puts together in a manufactured video and please don't eat any unwrapped Halloween candy.




Like you wouldn't hear from the MSM if it were an actor instead of the candidates dad? Seriously, I know it is early out on the left coast, but dude plug in your brain before you type please.

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Democrats would support such a decision.  Leave law abiding citizens alone with all these crazy laws.<.

Funny how the libs don't think like this regarding laws they want passed. Gun control comes to mind along with numerous others in the name of "public safety" or "for the children"
The hypocrisy is palpable

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spazsdad - Actually, I used that phrase deliberately to point out the inconsistency from many on the Right.  Imagine if the solution to folks selling their guns to felons, gang members, etc., were to require everyone to attend, and pass, a class on gun laws prior to purchasing a gun.  Of course this would be a foolish solution as it would do absolutely nothing to stop gun owners, who wanted to sell their inventory to whomever they wish, from doing so.  Same with voting ID's as both examples do nothing  more than interfere with law abiding citizens.  Now background check laws are a necessity to help deter felons and mentally ill folks from purchasing guns.  It's a quite different situation.
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It is amazing to me to what degree  many posters are made absolute and narrow by their political Party bias.  Check out the system and realize that both major parties do what they deem necessary to win elections and command or retain power seats in government. Some of what they do is illegal, and some is outright unethical and immoral. Most of the rest is the puff of flag waving and resorting to button pushing words and phrases and media propaganda in an attempt to "purchase" an emotional investment deep enough to create a voting bloc.  
                                                                                                                              I chuckle at the one sided barbs cast by one group that apply so easily to the other group upon which they are cast.  Perhaps an old pitching adage is in keeping - "If ya aint cheaten, ya aint trying".  Once again, it's the system in which Parties seek loopholes, and dirty tricks, and whatever to get votes from individuals and voting blocs while making the other Party people look bad.  Think about it.  To achieve power over financial decisions (and government contracts), they do have to get elected.  After being elected, they are heavily influenced by and privy to influence peddlers, and respond (most do, especially within their voting blocs)) or not (a very few idealists).  It is "Our System", and in DC they call it "The Washington Way" and no one Party holds complete sway over it as they often  share methods.  So it goes in the world of political reality and pragmatism.  
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JG - I agree with you completely.  The elephant in the room though is that Obama's entire candidacy rested on the premise that he was different, he was a uniter, he was going to deliver hope and change.  It was all horse hockey.

Since he took office, this country has become more polarized.  And Dewey, don't give us your BS about how it's all because of the vitriol against Obama.  Obama is the one who talked about people clinging to their guns and religion.  Obama is the one who embraced the 1% argument even as the 1% have accelerated their wealth during his admin.  Obama is the one who called the Princeton police department stupid in the midst of yet another racial problem.  Obama is the one who told business owners they didn't build their own businesses.

There are two reasons and two reasons only, in my opinion, that Obama got elected.  The first was the over-the-top hatred of George Bush by those on the left.  And the second was Obama's ability to read speeches.  That is it, in my opinion.  He had no executive experience, no foreign policy experience, no experience with the economy and a number of very questionable relationships with radicals and terrorists.  The media ignored it all, so eager to elect anybody but Bush or McCain or Romney.

The country thought electing an African-American would unite and help to put racial divisions behind us.  Obama and Holder have exacerbated the racial problem by focusing their energies on those instances where the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made their millions.
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Since he took office, this country has become more polarized.  And Dewey, don't give us your BS about how it's all because of the vitriol against Obama. 


pabar - The vitriol happened the first day, the first week, the first month.  How do you explain that?  It happened during the campaign...foreigner, runs with terrorists, church hates this Country, etc.  Maybe he thought a nice guy with a nice family could avoid the worst.  He was wrong.  Nonetheless, he was re-elected.  Kudos to the voters of the US for mostly ignoring the personal attacks.
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From his pastor of 20 years (about which he lied): "God Damn America!"  
From his wife: "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud to be an American."

The voters ignored the personal attacks because they thought they were getting free money and phones.

You're right it's personal.
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Pabar - I have been partially duped by two campaign promises.  The one was "Compassionate Conservatism" which I voted for and received anything but, light weight conservatives with compassion toward only the wealthy and government-military contracts.  Then I voted for "Hope and Change".  What I received was Obamacare (I do favor universal health care) which I applaud as a beginning toward something good, and no change in DC with the way business is conducted there.  I abhor government in which Party means more to our representatives than nation, but that's what we have. Remember the Broadway show "Promises, Promises"??   I recognize the problem but honestly don't have any answers. You young people sure do have a heavy duty job ahead of you.  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Senator Mary Landrieu said Thursday she thinks one of the reasons she is losing her campaign for re-election is that the state that voted her into office is sexist. Landrieu also said that President Obama is unpopular in her state because of his race.

Speaking with NBC’s Chuck Todd, Landrieu said, “I’ll be very, very honest with you. The South has not always been the friendliest place for African-Americans.”

Pointing to herself Landrieu continued, “It’s not always been a good place for women to present ourselves. It’s more of a conservative place.”

Landrieu oddly didn’t mention that her low approval might stem from the fact she was the deciding vote for Obamacare. The senator also didn’t note in the interview that President Obama’s approval ratings are dismal in northern states as well as southern.


Nothing personal in this interview, I guess all those racist sexist voters in Louisiana trusting her speaks volumes to her character don't you think?


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Pabar - I have been partially duped by two campaign promises.  The one was "Compassionate Conservatism" which I voted for and received anything but, light weight conservatives with compassion toward only the wealthy and government-military contracts.  Then I voted for "Hope and Change".  What I received was Obamacare (I do favor universal health care) which I applaud as a beginning toward something good, and no change in DC with the way business is conducted there.  I abhor government in which Party means more to our representatives than nation, but that's what we have. Remember the Broadway show "Promises, Promises"??   I recognize the problem but honestly don't have any answers. You young people sure do have a heavy duty job ahead of you.  


Some might say that Bush delivered on his compassion conservatism promise by helping to explode the debt.  Granted, some of that was war-driven but he certainly did nothing to reduce entitlements and he more than delivered when it came to providing funding to fight AIDS in Africa.

Are you saying that Obama has not had compassion for the wealthy?  If so, he has a funny way of demonstrating it.

My more general point is that liberals always like to paint themselves as so compassionate and caring and not stirring the pot.  Then you have Mary Landrieu as Lost just pointed out.
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Pabar - In my lifetime, and for whatever reason or reasons, I have not experienced the constant vitriol toward a President (there is always a few zingers here and there for every President, but nothing like this) that has occurred almost from the day Barack Obama was sworn in. Personally, and without any proof, I think part of it is racial, part political Party demonizing, and part opposition to government administration practices, especially in the area of use of tax dollars.  Even Nixon didn't experience this much.                                    

What bothers me personally is the interworkings of government, blocking of the Executive branch by Congress, and unwillingness of the Executive Branch to compromise with Congress, almost always along Party lines. I think that Parties have become exactly what the Founding Fathers did not want them to become, as they didn't even plan for them initially.   I've already posted my feelings about current Party politics - follow the money !!!   I do believe that our economic system of Capitalism and its attendant values, micro and macro, has literally become our government.  

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My more general point is that liberals always like to paint themselves as so compassionate and caring and not stirring the pot. 


If you're talking about UCS Liberals, at least we stayed out of politics during the last Administration.


Accusing Democrats of not caring about children being raped, veterans dying, an Ambassador being killed, poor folk trapped in poverty, black children being shot, and folks being able to defend themselves are horrible comments that should be stopped sooner rather than later.  Telling Southerners they don't care about women or black folks is also horrible and should cease as well.

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I chuckle when liberals respond to evidence of Democrat voter fraud by alledging that both side do it but then admit they have no proof, or even allegations, because their liberal media doesn't report Republican voting fraud. It's like they don't realize how stupid that sounds.

Even more so considering this same liberal media devotes countless hours to every little spat in the Palin family. Lol.

Keep trying guys, and keep laughing, after all it's election time and Americans support of Obama has never been higher, ensuring huge gains for the Democrats. We'll be here laughing right along with you. [smile]
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^^^^ yes we will
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My more general point is that liberals always like to paint themselves as so compassionate and caring and not stirring the pot. 


If you're talking about UCS Liberals, at least we stayed out of politics during the last Administration.


Accusing Democrats of not caring about children being raped, veterans dying, an Ambassador being killed, poor folk trapped in poverty, black children being shot, and folks being able to defend themselves are horrible comments that should be stopped sooner rather than later.  Telling Southerners they don't care about women or black folks is also horrible and should cease as well.



NOBODY WAS HERE DURING THE LAST ADMINISTRATION!

Save your lecture for the liberals who accused Bush of not responding to Hurricane Katrina fast enough because he wanted blacks to die.  And, telling Southerners that Republicans are racist and don't care about women, as Mary Landrieu just did, is also horrible and should cease.
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 And, telling Southerners that Republicans are racist and don't care about women, as Mary Landrieu just did, is also horrible and should cease.


pabar - Yeah, I just said that.  On this we'll agree.  The Senator does herself harm making assumptions of this kind.  By the way, there were thousands of us here during the Bush Administration.  We just happened to have Liberals who chose to comment on softball as opposed to criticizing President Bush.  My guess is the membership liked those days much better.
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