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Dewey

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USA Softball roster, schedule revealed for XVI Pan American Games

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I am amazed that Ken Eriksen can do such an outstanding job of coaching his U of South Florida team, yet find time to do an excellent job of head coach with our national team.  Unusual talent and effort !!!    Congratulations to Coach Eriksen's Assistant Coaches, both at USF and with the National Team, and the players who were chosen to represent our nation in the Pan Am Games in 2011.    
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In their tune up for the Pan Am games, USA beat Houston 8-0 last night in an exhibition game. Val Arioto went 2 for 2 with a grandslam and 2 run homerun.
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Joisey, You always sing the praises of Coach Ken Eriksen. Question. Where has Coach Eriksen coached a team where he developed and trained them to be champions?

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Dakota, if Frank says coach Eriksen is good, then he is good.
Frank is the most knowledgeable of fans.

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Dakota - That is a "when did you stop beating your wife" type question, but actually USF has won championships (3 years in a row)  in the ACC under his tutelage, but more important is that his technical knowledge as well as his approach in teaching (I've observed this), in my opinion, are excellent.  Hence, I say that he is an excellent coach.  I am not the only "softball person" who thinks that Coach Eriksen does a great job with the talent he has.  His teams have always been competitive in both Conference USA and The Big East.  He has achieved success as both an assistant coach (to Mike Candria) and as a Head Coach at the International level.                                   

During my tenure watching Coach Eriksen's teams, they have always been well coached, and I might add that the assistants both at USF and on the international team also do an excellent job of teaching and creating program (I have also seen them in action first hand).   They always produce  a competitive product.  By the way, I wouldn't judge a successful coach only by championships won. 

I don't think that there is any college or international coach who starts at "scratch" and develops a championship team.  The talent comes from somewhere and has been taught and is experienced before arriving.  Effective college and international coaches enhance what talent has been gathered.  Some do this better than others and create a synergy.  Still, my friends who coach on the college level say that success is in "recruit, recruit, and then recruit". 

By the way, Coach Eriksen told me that he has three teams to juggle - USF, USA, and DAD, and that his wife and children are the real heroes in the mix.  That is an aspect of international coaching  especially that many fans miss but  I have had the opportunity to admire. In my opinion he does a great job of all three.  No, we aren't related !!!  I'm just a fan of the way he does things.   

PS - Thanks for the question.  I do agree that championship  "success" breeds "success", especially in recruiting.  Some collegiate coaches are in situations in which they decide which superior players they want to pluck from the national travel ball teams, especially pitchers.  They usually win the championships nationally or vie for them at the WCWS at least. Others scramble for the second or third best recruit.   I agree with you that well coached teams, all things being relatively equal,  should be vying for the championship of their respective conferences.  Would it be a non sequitur if I told you what is true of most educators, that most of their students don't get "As" or make the "Honor Roll" , but still they can be regarded as excellent teachers??   

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Are any of the Pan Am games on television?  Anybody know?  I know that some events are being televised, but don't know about softball.    Frank
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Nope no softball games on television. You can follow the USA games on Gametracker. USA won 10-0 is 4 innings this evening over Venzuela. Jordan Taylor pitched a 1 walk no hitter!

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Arioto is getting the Veronica Nelson treatment so far... 5 At Bats and she has 4 walks and a HBP
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Gametracker links.

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This doesn't have anything to do with USA softball but sounds like the Canada/Cuba game got a little heated last night! Here is Victoria Hayward's version of events!
http://victoria-hayward.blogspot.com/2011/10/but-i-thought-everyone-loved-canada.html

Would love to see these games! So far there have been some goods ones including a come from behind win by Venezuela over Cuba in the 7th inning a little bit ago! Also 2 close games for USA today!
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USA 10  Ven 0

USA 10  Dom Reb 0

USA 7   Mex 0

USA 3   Cuba 0

USA 4   Puerto Rico 1
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With scores like this, softball will never make it back into the Olympics.... 
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With scores like this, softball will never make it back into the Olympics.... 

GY - 3-0 and 4-1 are very competitive games. Look at the glass as half full. The 7-0 game was close for several innings. I see a lot of progress.

 

 The Brewers were still a very good team after losing to St Louis 15-6.


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The Pan American Games will have very little effect on the future of International/Olympic Softball.

Development in the European Federation is key!

And what happens later this month in Oklahoma City is HUGE! 

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Lack of competition for USA was put to rest as Canada scored 5 runs in top 1 to lead USA by that score going into top 2.  However, USA put together 13 hits and 12 runs in the next four innings to run rule Canada in the game and remain undefeated in the Pan Am Games.  USA faces Argentina tomorrow.  
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Phew NINE walks later and no hits Val goes 3 for 4 with the walk-off single tonight. I can sleep good now. Great games From Johnson, May-Johnson, and Moultrie as well!
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That was a weird game between Canada and the USA. I don't understand why the Canadian team continues to use Jenna Caira in relief pitching. First off their other pitchers aren't strong enough to keep them in the game and two Caira doesn't work well as a relief pitcher. Offense was hot but watching the big lead they had put up disappear in one inning just sucked the life out of the whole team I think(obviously I don't know for sure as I couldn't watch it). Bottom line they needed Caira to step it up and take care of business and she just didn't.

On the other side don't know what the deal was with Canion but Canada jumped on her early and often. Ricketts gave up some hits but did a great job keeping runners from scoring. The offense did a great job taking advantage of a bad pitching performance! Overall after a rough first inning it was a nice game for the whole team!!

I think that's the kind of game that really boost your confidence if you win and breaks your heart if you lose it! I still think that will be your gold medal game. The only other team that I think could get close would be Cuba. But they fell last night to Venezuela so who really knows lol. I don't think the Pan Am games will have much influence on the Olympics. There is much better competition in countries who don't play in the Pan Am games, then there is in the Pan Am games.
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Leles with 10 RBIs.

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May Johnson seems to be on fire.

Re: Canada -- it seems Jen Yee is still awesome at hitting USA pitchers.  what a hitter.

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"On the other side don't know what the deal was with Canion but Canada jumped on her early and often. Ricketts gave up some hits but did a great job keeping runners from scoring"

Huh?  I think Canion and Ricketts were more or less equally rocked the first inning. 

Canion:  Out, HR, 2b, IBB, PULLED. 
Ricketts: BB, SO, HBP, 1b, SO:  

Looks similar to me. 

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"On the other side don't know what the deal was with Canion but Canada jumped on her early and often. Ricketts gave up some hits but did a great job keeping runners from scoring"

Huh?  I think Canion and Ricketts were more or less equally rocked the first inning. 

Canion:  Out, HR, 2b, IBB, PULLED. 
Ricketts: BB, SO, HBP, 1b, SO:  

Looks similar to me. 


It was  rough 1st inning for both pitchers but Ricketts was able to get out it. She came in with a mess already made and did a nice job of handling it in my opinion. It wasn't perfect by any means but it could have been alot worse. Before it was all said and done the five runs they gave up the 1st inning didn't matter anyway and Ricketts kept them from scoring again.

Jen Yee is s strong hitter no matter the pitcher I think lol. Canada has a strong offense and a strong defense. But they just don't have the pitching. I think baring a miracle this is an easy gold for the USA. But who knows it all has to be played out on the field lol!
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JoiseyGuy, You truly are a fanatic.
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Dakota - Fastpitch softball has been a big part of my adult life and my interest continues.  If that's a fanatic, I plead guilty.      Frank
PS - I ran softball schools for women in New Jersey for 25 years during and after my own pitching career in men's major fastpitch.  Some of my "students" and fellow instructors are still involved in the game as coaches on all levels.  At my current age (79) it provides a good hobby albeit as a spectator.  I currently live in retirement 30 minutes from USF's Softball Stadium (University of South Florida's Bulls) and see most softball games there as well as some in Clearwater, Florida which is an hour and 15 minutes away from my home.                                                                                            

As for my relationship with the coaching staff at USF, I must admit that I am biased (though I do try to be objective about them as coaches) because they were so kind to me when I was going through a battle with life threatening advanced cancer for three plus years.  I shall not ever forget their kindness and their concern.  I like them as people and respect them as coaches and expect to do so as long as I'm vertical to the planet.     

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USA dominance at PAN AM games does not hurt the chances of softball returning to olympics in 2020 but it didn't help either. Make no mistake--the dlegates are there and taking notes for what they can use to help softball be seen as a world competitive sport---and europe is the key (as stated by coach before).

 

What the PAN AM games do show is  the USA was, is, and will always be dominant as a softball country. The olympians aren't playing yet the USA wins and in several games they dominat totally. Same as before. The names change but the scores and outcomes are the same. USA does not have to throw out it's best players to dominate. Our USA futures team of mostly college kids can  smack any other team around except japan...the team that can al;ways put together a good game and beat the usa (like they did in the gold medal game of the last olympics and at world cup of softball).

 

Someone will do something to even the playing field more so we will have softball at olympics by at least 2024. Even if it took former usa olympians going to other countries and bolstering the sport. Of course title 9 helped us and many of the top players outside of the usa went to college in the usa.

We will get there. Hopefully sooner than later.


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USA and Canada playing for the gold medal right now! Should be a good game I think!

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jane - USA defeated Cuba 13-1 in five to get to the gold medal game.  Who is pitching for Canada and for the USA???  
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jane - USA defeated Cuba 13-1 in five to get to the gold medal game.  Who is pitching for Canada and for the USA???  

Jordan Taylor for USA and Jenn Caira for Canada. Tied 1-1 top of the 2nd 2 on and 1 out for Canada.

They took out Jordan Taylor now and brought in Ricketts.
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USA wins 11-1 in 4. Jenna gave it all she had but they need someone to help her out and thats all there is to it. Sloppy game defensive wise for Canada with 3 errors. Big congrats to the Eagles on their gold medal! They played their hearts out the whole tournament and dominated pretty much everyone they played!! Big congrats to Canada and Cuba as well. Certianly not the way Canada wanted to end things but they played great yesterday and today to earn that silver! Cuba played great ball as well! Very interesting to learn about these teams you don't normally hear much about!

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mindajane - Thanks for the update !  USA adds another Gold, and this "new" group of players and coaches represented the USA very well. Congratulations to all.  Job well done.  A great team showing with several individual outstanding performances.     Frank
PS - That gives Ken Eriksen a Pan Am Silver as a USA player (catcher) and then a Gold as a coach.   Karen (Sanchelli) Johns is the only other international coach for USA who has done that I believe (not positive about that), although hers, Gold Medals in both tournaments, if I remember correctly were in international women's fastpitch tournaments first as a USA player (catcher) and then as a USA coach.  

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