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bluedog

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Here is what those like Fresh and EmptyNesty don't get............

Using human logic has got us where we are............And, they still believe human logic is the right way............

For the last eight years, the Democratic-thinking folk believed they were-in-control...........Right now, the Republican-thinking folk believe they're-in-control..........All the while, our Government is a mess - either way..........

Human nature doesn't change - the sides of human nature just change..........


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One of the few posters on here who I truly believe gets this stuff is Mike...........

I know he gets really frustrated with the views posted on here by all of us...........

I do know Mike trusts the Bible as the written Word of the Creator and the Truth..........I know this by the way he handles himself on here and by his comments...........

Even though I pick at him sometimes, I do respect his opinions - because I know where his opinions are grounded............And, it's not in human nature............[smile]

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Blue, I am nothing like you, thank God, he he he , you like that ? Thank God lol. Conservative right wingers are just as bad. Sorry to disappoint , but I am certainly not Fresh. Fresh is a liberal and liberalism is a disease.
It's all about blame and how somehow, someone is owed something for nothing. I would know, my father was a liberal. He spent most his time unemployed and drinking while blaming others for his woes. Today, it's all about how you are owed something because you may be different and Obama was the liberal champion. He divided this country and pulled them all in hook line and sinker. Bernie was the next role model. Get rich on the government while convincing the poor that they are owed something by the government. Contrary to your belief  , ( btw that's what makes this country great of course is that you and freshy can continue your tirades ), is that you can be conservative and have a belief in God but realize it is bound by how you use it. You can be against abortion but realize everyone has a right and while needing to be responsible, things happen beyond the control of others and it is that persons right to control themselves. You can be for gun rights and not own a gun ( btw I previously did and most my friends do , but I no longer have any ) realizing that guns do not commit  murder or crime.
You can be conservative and believe that gay working couples most certainly deserve just as many rights as unemployed bum/welfare heterosexual couples. Children ? To think that a drug or alcoholic  or abusive heterosexual couple is better than a gay loving couple ? Children need love only. All the other stuff is taught unfortunately be those that hate or think their way is the right way. The best news ? That's what Trump is. Contrary to those that are on the left , he took away nothing more than the fact that you yourself control your own destiny and make yourself who you are. On the right, he just gave back what this country is all about , that you are not entitled to anything more than anyone else because of your race or sexual orientation. He just wants a level playing field for all Americans which is all anyone deserves. He is as close to what the founding fathers wanted and wrote on that big piece of paper. If we can only get everyone from both sides to see the bigger picture. Sorry Blue and Fresh, there are more people like me and that's the reason Don's in the big house today.

They did not happen to call your dad Freshy did they?

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Emptynester

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Lol, great point.
No my father passed years ago complaining till the end.God rest his soul, I'll ask Blue to pray for him. Sounds like he would have been good friends with freshy though.
Sitting around the house or the bar drinking away telling anyone who would listen that he never got his shot, the other guy got all the breaks, the rich have all the money and were all born rich.
Good stuff like that. 
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FWIW, once you die on earth, you've already been judged and your fate is sealed.............This is Biblical..........

The only prayer I have concerning others is that they pick-up the Bible and read and study..............Once you die - it's too late...........




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Lol, great point.
No my father passed years ago complaining till the end.God rest his soul, I'll ask Blue to pray for him. Sounds like he would have been good friends with freshy though.
Sitting around the house or the bar drinking away telling anyone who would listen that he never got his shot, the other guy got all the breaks, the rich have all the money and were all born rich.
Good stuff like that. 

A massively failed life philosophy.  Fun to watch it fail for others here as well. 

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Fresh

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The Bible tells followers to follow the laws of our Government - unless those laws go against the Creator's Law.............



Now, conservatism and liberalism are not Biblical principles - they're man-made human principles.........Both claim a superiority over the other........

Christianity is not a Biblical principle - it's a product of the religious doctrine of Catholicism and Protestantism, both man-made human principles............And, both claim a superiority over the other............

And, you got your atheists.........

Most fit in somewhere in one of these groups.........A few don't.........


I get it.......... 




Which bible and how do you know you are reading a correctly translated version. 

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Originally Posted by bluedog
One of the few posters on here who I truly believe gets this stuff is Mike...........

I know he gets really frustrated with the views posted on here by all of us...........

I do know Mike trusts the Bible as the written Word of the Creator and the Truth..........I know this by the way he handles himself on here and by his comments...........

Even though I pick at him sometimes, I do respect his opinions - because I know where his opinions are grounded............And, it's not in human nature............[smile]



Pick away.  I don't read the Bible as much as you - a New Year's Resolution to do it more.

BTW- your post No. 62 was one of your best.
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Blue, I am nothing like you, thank God, he he he , you like that ? Thank God lol. Conservative right wingers are just as bad. Sorry to disappoint , but I am certainly not Fresh. Fresh is a liberal and liberalism is a disease.
It's all about blame and how somehow, someone is owed something for nothing. I would know, my father was a liberal. He spent most his time unemployed and drinking while blaming others for his woes. Today, it's all about how you are owed something because you may be different and Obama was the liberal champion. He divided this country and pulled them all in hook line and sinker. Bernie was the next role model. Get rich on the government while convincing the poor that they are owed something by the government. Contrary to your belief  , ( btw that's what makes this country great of course is that you and freshy can continue your tirades ), is that you can be conservative and have a belief in God but realize it is bound by how you use it. You can be against abortion but realize everyone has a right and while needing to be responsible, things happen beyond the control of others and it is that persons right to control themselves. You can be for gun rights and not own a gun ( btw I previously did and most my friends do , but I no longer have any ) realizing that guns do not commit  murder or crime.
You can be conservative and believe that gay working couples most certainly deserve just as many rights as unemployed bum/welfare heterosexual couples. Children ? To think that a drug or alcoholic  or abusive heterosexual couple is better than a gay loving couple ? Children need love only. All the other stuff is taught unfortunately be those that hate or think their way is the right way. The best news ? That's what Trump is. Contrary to those that are on the left , he took away nothing more than the fact that you yourself control your own destiny and make yourself who you are. On the right, he just gave back what this country is all about , that you are not entitled to anything more than anyone else because of your race or sexual orientation. He just wants a level playing field for all Americans which is all anyone deserves. He is as close to what the founding fathers wanted and wrote on that big piece of paper. If we can only get everyone from both sides to see the bigger picture. Sorry Blue and Fresh, there are more people like me and that's the reason Don's in the big house today.


This is sort of funny, actually.

Conservatives believe in the Constitution.  Show me where, in the Constitution, abortion and gay marriage are enumerated?

I don't know how you "believe in the Bible" while condoning murder and normalizing abhorrent behaviors, but that's a whole other topic than being Conservative.

What you described is nouveau "conservatism" - you know, the kind that actually stands for nothing.

You are correct - that is the same crowd that elected trump.  The do it cause it feels good crowd.  You're right there with all the sell-out fakers on tv and radio.


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James 4:6. "...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble." I best change my judgement of others... no matter how wrong they are. Oops.
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Hey, it's just nice to know someone is as nutty as Blue. Maybe you, blue, freshy and diet cola can start a band or something ?  " The Extremes " has a nice ring to it .
Please show me in the constitution where it talks about God ? Oh that's right it doesn't. Maybe you and band can do some reading together and see why that is and why it was done purposely ?
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Hey, it's just nice to know someone is as nutty as Blue. Maybe you, blue, freshy and diet cola can start a band or something ?  " The Extremes " has a nice ring to it .
Please show me in the constitution where it talks about God ? Oh that's right it doesn't. Maybe you and band can do some reading together and see why that is and why it was done purposely ?


As I said, God and the Constitution are separate items.

Maybe our definitions are different.  I always thought Conservatism was about the Constitution.  Maybe you think it's about Bible belief.

Anyways - I didn't mean for my last post to sound like it was trashing you in particular - probably shouldn't have quoted you.

In that case, you happened to be a stand-in for the trump "conservatives" - people who aren't actually conservatives, but proudly proclaim themselves as such because they voted for trump.

it's not personal - it's just politics.
uwApoligist

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Constitution does not say we have to hate gays.   That is whack.
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Blue has said his interpretation of the bible he uses trumps(pun intended) the constitution. He doesn't even know how accurate the translation is. Not much of a premise to set standards everyone else. Curious.
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That's the problem, people like you and blue talking in absolutes. A philosophy that your way is the right way. That becomes the irony , to constantly act as though your opinion matters more than others.
Once again the reason religion has caused more death on this Earth. Very sad indeed.
Conservatism is just a word nothing more. Maybe as you and blue hold true that it can only be about religion or politics. I believe what Rush said :
"Conservatism is not the problem. Conservatism is the founding of this country, essentially. Conservatism isn't even really an ideology. Conservatism is just what is right, proper, decent, and moral. That's all it is. "
People like blue constantly stating that only they " know the bible" or only you and blue are " true conservatives ". Funny stuff.  


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Constitution does not say we have to hate gays.   That is whack.


Right on cue.  The Coastie nouveau conservative to lecture on social matters.

Twisting yourself into a pretzel as a SCOTUS justice to create "rights" that never existed before is whack.

Marriage is not a right.
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That's the problem, people like you and blue talking in absolutes. A philosophy that your way is the right way. That becomes the irony , to constantly act as though your opinion matters more than others.
Once again the reason religion has caused more death on this Earth. Very sad indeed.
Conservatism is just a word nothing more. Maybe as you and blue hold true that it can only be about religion or politics. I believe what Rush said :
"Conservatism is not the problem. Conservatism is the founding of this country, essentially. Conservatism isn't even really an ideology. Conservatism is just what is right, proper, decent, and moral. That's all it is. "
People like blue constantly stating that only they " know the bible" or only you and blue are " true conservatives ". Funny stuff.  




You're way off the reservation there Mr. Looney Tunes.

Your beloved Mr. Rush is talking morals and values, and I was talking Constitution.

Then, you throw your God-hating it.  Makes more sense now.

"I listened to Rushfraud once, and I voted for trump.  That makes me a gosh-dang conservative".


Emptynester

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It's Ok Mike, you and blue keep thinking you have all the answers. I'll see you at the reelection party then the rapture. 
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It's Ok Mike, you and blue keep thinking you have all the answers. I'll see you at the reelection party then the rapture. 


your whole manifesto describes Libertarian as your political philosophy.  Embrace it - it's ok, it's a valid position to hold.

Many people, including some here who fancy themselves as conservatives, confuse the two.

Really, it's ok.

BTW - I don't proclaim myself as holy.  However, I do know murder when I see it, even if it's named in a non-threatening way, like Assisted Suicide or Abortion.  Don't have to be a preacher to understand that.

And, BTW, marriage of any kind to anyone is not a right in the Constitution. 
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Right on cue.  The Coastie nouveau conservative to lecture on social matters.

Twisting yourself into a pretzel as a SCOTUS justice to create "rights" that never existed before is whack.

Marriage is not a right.

Wrong again.  Was never really for, nor against gay marriage.  Not really sure if it is a right or not a right.  Smarter people been arguing that for a very long time. 

Once the supreme court passed, it is not even a question for me anymore.  Hell even before the lib soctus's twisted their knots (agreeing with you), the country was largely adopting gay marriage.  It was like down to Kentucky and Missouri as the lone state holdouts.

The reality was the religious right lost their way drastically.  Going off in a corner and stomping their feet tirelessly.  Never seeming to realize that the Dems had in mass used the Federal Department of Education to weaponize the schools into SJW indoctrination camps.  All the while they had Bush off wandering in the desert, tanking the economy.  That is how the gay marriage fight was lost. 

It started with incrementalism from gay communities in the late 60's.  They just kept pushing the reasonable bar up and taking their wins when and where they could. 

The religous right meanwhile was twisting in the win about 'bad rock and roll', ozzy ossbourne or some devils music.  Been going that way ever since. 

Me I am fine with either side winning that fight.  Tend to be more conservative than not.  Would not value losing elections over either.   I will leave the losing and whining non-stop to you.

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Really, it's ok.

Thanks for that.  Not really sure I needed your sign off.  According to the constitution I am allowed to have my own opinion.

And, BTW, marriage of any kind to anyone is not a right in the Constitution. 
Unfortunately the supreme court ruled otherwise.  Done deal.  

That of course can be changed.  But being disagreeable, losing elections and whining a lot is not going to change it anytime soon.

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It's Ok Mike, you and blue keep thinking you have all the answers. I'll see you at the reelection party then the rapture. 


Nailed It! You are what mikec and bluedog say you are, nothing more, nothing less.
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I will go further on marriage.  Heterosexuals largely fouled that institution beyond belief.  51% divorce rate.  Studies show pretty consistently that of the 49% remaining intact marriages about half are unhappy.   That is like nearly a 75% failure rate.

My question to the gays was 'why would ever want marriage as an institution'.   They always answered screaming with "It is my right REEEEEEEE",  never really understanding the point.

Anyway sounds like you and them and should get together and have a big argument about it, maybe even a fist fight.  Let me know who wins.

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I will go further on marriage.  Heterosexuals largely fouled that institution beyond belief.  51% divorce rate.  Studies show pretty consistently that of the 49% remaining intact marriages about half are unhappy.   That is like nearly a 75% failure rate.

My question to the gays was 'why would ever want marriage as an institution'.   They always answered screaming with "It is my right REEEEEEEE",  never really understanding the point.

Anyway sounds like you and them and should get together and have a big argument about it, maybe even a fist fight.  Let me know who wins.


It is a financial issue as much as anything else. To be eligible for insurance and tax reductions, it helps to be married. Legal matters are also simplified for transfer of wealth in case of death.

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Then why not have a financial "union", instead of imposing your gay lifestyle and the demand of acceptance of gay marriage upon everyone else in America? You just couldn't accept equality by way of law could you? You just had to ram your idea of gay lifestyle down everyone's throat didn't you? You see how a backlash against the very thing you desired originates? Nobody had a problem with people living their lives and leaving their estates to their loved ones Nobody cared about insurance beneficiaries. But no, you just couldn't let it go at that, you couldn't just be equal under the law of the land, you just had to stick your finger into the eye of society, and not only demand they just turn a blind eye to your lifestyle, but that they must embrace it, and accept it's dysfunctional outcomes. That's what's really F'd up. You had victory in the courts, and then cried for more and pushed it. Then cry about the push back. WTF are you people thinking? Just accept the fact that you are treated equally in the USA, and are accepted, and aren't being thrown off of buildings and stoned to death in a modern society in the lands ruled by the people of Allah that you love to support, and STFU.
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Right on cue.  The Coastie nouveau conservative to lecture on social matters.



"Coastie nouveau" is kinda gay.

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"Coastie nouveau" is kinda gay.


I reckon you'd know.
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I will go further on marriage.  Heterosexuals largely fouled that institution beyond belief.  51% divorce rate.  Studies show pretty consistently that of the 49% remaining intact marriages about half are unhappy.   That is like nearly a 75% failure rate.

My question to the gays was 'why would ever want marriage as an institution'.   They always answered screaming with "It is my right REEEEEEEE",  never really understanding the point.

Anyway sounds like you and them and should get together and have a big argument about it, maybe even a fist fight.  Let me know who wins.


I will see Woody's response, and raise it thusly.  We've talked about this before you showed up, BTW.

I believe marriage is ordained by God.  It therefore must occur in a church, and be administered by a pastor.

Now, like Woody, I don't who does what to whom.  There should be a civil union contract that covers that.  Even folks who are married have a civil union contract that is government-based.

In my view, even hetero couples that are married by justice o' peace are not married.


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As long as government calls it marriage, it should be available to all. If the government wants to go to civil union contract and  people should only be married in a church.......no problem. I think it complicates things to not allow them all the civil priveleges of being married. Your church should feel free to marry whomever they wish. 
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Re-defining marriage is the issue...........Doing so supports a lifestyle which is a willful sin against the Creator............


Here's the deal.........

What does a Government set their marriage standard by?...........Polygamy isn't legal and marrying an animal isn't legal.........So, where is the precedent for a same-sex marriage?..........

When America was founded, marriage was defined as a union between two members of the opposite sex...........Now, what warranted the change from that?..........If you wanna say equal-rights for queers, then, what separates their equal-rights from those who wanna marry more than one person, or, an animal?

Fresh or anyone?
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