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Foreverinblue nice thought but not a chance with Harry Reid at the helm of the Senate.  Plus the repubs dont have the moxy in an election yr with media in tank for Obama.  Even outside of election yr they tend to be wimps.    Our repub leaders need to wake up.  When Obama has dinner with MB in Whitehouse and the MB is infiltrating our govt more and more everyday, our leadership, both sides and the electorate need to wake up.  I feel for Mr Stephens and his family as well as the other 3 and their families.   The admin will do something to mmake it look better just like Clinton did, but not to get any resolve or let them know we are the US and we mean business.
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This isn't about Romney.
But that seems to be all you have in defense of Obama - divert, obfuscate, and regurgitate - you're like rats following the pied piper. Congratulations on yet another failure.
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This isn't about Romney. But that seems to be all you have in defense of Obama - divert, obfuscate, and regurgitate - you're like rats following the pied piper. Congratulations on yet another failure.


They can't make it about Bush so it must be about Romney.  Not one of them have suggested what they would do or what their president should do, they just sit around and wait for more Americans to be killed and strongly DENOUNCE the murders.  obama is a failure on all fronts

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Dietcoke, you mean th e same ones clinton did nothing about, just like clinton didnt go after osama when he had the chance.  Just like Obama didnt want to but the third time around was all but forced to.
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My bad, I saw the a thread titled U.S. Ambassador to Libya killed and I thought some discussion might be about this death but a great amount of discussion would celebrate his life and service to America. Then  I remembered where I am and kicked myself for expecting more out of posters on this board.

You guys would draw the line in a sand on a toothpaste and make it political. I don't even know why you start new threads it seems to come down to finger pointing and kicking the other guy, and pumping your guy.

Carry On, but if anybody would like to read more about Chris Stevens there is an article below

Ambassador Chris Stevens: The American Who Loved Libya (1960-2012)

Courageous and optimistic, he knew the country he was assigned to like no other diplomat. His tragic death leaves an enormous hole in the American foreign service—and in Washington’s fitful dealings with the Arab world
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image: U.S. envoy Chris Stevens attends meetings at the Tibesty Hotel where an African Union delegation was meeting with opposition leaders in Benghazi, Libya, April 11, 2011.
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U.S. envoy Chris Stevens attends meetings at the Tibesty Hotel where an African Union delegation was meeting with opposition leaders in Benghazi, Libya, April 11, 2011.

“Salaam alaikum. My name is Chris Stevens, and I’m the new U.S. ambassador to Libya.” With those words Christopher Stevens—the 52-year-old diplomat who was killed along with three other Americans in a September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya—began an online video introducing himself to the people of Libya. Though he only took up his position in May, he wasn’t new to the region. An Arabic and French speaker, Stevens had been a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco, and after working in international trade law in Washington, served in Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia during his 21 years with the State Department.

But it was in Libya—where he also served as the number two U.S. diplomat from 2007 to 2009—where Stevens made his mark. His experience and credibility in a country that had long been off-limits proved invaluable during the chaotic Libyan revolution, and his work helped convince the Obama Administration to provide conclusive support to the besieged rebels. That made Stevens’s death all the more ironic—as President Barack Obama said after the attacks “it is especially tragic that he died in Benghazi because it is a city he helped to save at the height of a revolution.”

(MORE: Slaying Highlights Libya’s Post-Gaddafi Struggles)

It’s telling that less than three hours after Stevens’ death in Benghazi, Libyans had started an Arabic-language Facebook tribute page for him. On it they shared photos of the ambassador, for example, slouching down with Libyans eating local food with his hand. They also posted pictures of themselves holding candles lit in his memory.

By all accounts, Stevens wasn’t one to sit at a desk. He preferred being out of Washington and preferably out in the field. An avid hiker who grew up in California, he would often escape the embassy to roam Libya’s Roman ruins. “We served together in Syria,” says principal deputy Secretary of State Liz Dibble, “and I remember him describing a trip he took to Saladin’s castle. This was way off the beaten path in a country that was way off the beaten path.”

But if those discoveries were solitary – or done with an ever-changing lady friend – Stevens was known for his gregariousness. “He could be a party boy from time to time,” says Janet Sanderson, who first served with him in Cairo in the 1990s. “He was extremely popular and very personable. He was a lot of fun to be with. He loved sitting around talking politics until 2 a.m. and drinking endless cups of coffee and tea.”

He used his people skills to set the stage at meetings or in speeches, drawing people in. “He could hold his audience in the palm of his hand,” recalls Sanderson. “He could hold his audience on the Hill. He was great at explaining complex political environments. And he had the answers to the questions lawmakers asked, even before they asked them. Like on Libya: who were the rebels? Could they be unified? He knew all the factions, the whole landscape.”

Stevens’ knowledge of the Hill perhaps came from serving as a Pearson fellow, a yearlong exchange program for Foreign Service officers on the Hill, in Senator Richard Lugar’s office. Lugar was the top Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee.

In Cairo, Stevens made a name for himself as a tennis player. “He was this tall, blond guy,” says Sanderson. “He cut quite a figure in Cairo. It was only his second tour but he was the go-to tennis player when the ambassador wanted to impress visitors and play tennis.”

(MORE: Egypt, Libya: Fundamentalisms Unleash Havoc)

Stevens was ambitious without being cutthroat. “Type A with California laid over it,” says Dibble. He was the first in his Foreign Service class to make chief of mission. And he was fearless. As the U.S. was evacuating its embassy staff from Tripoli during the height of last year’s revolution, Stevens was negotiating to get dropped off by barge in Benghazi so he could work with the opposition leaders to help form a new government. He knew Benghazi perhaps better than any U.S. diplomat. “Oh, we had to go through all sorts of machinations to get him to Benghazi,” recalls Sanderson, who recently left her post as deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs. “But he took to it like a duck to water. He became so integral on the ground.”

He was known particularly for his calm under fire. “Even when things were sort of crazy and we’d be talking on the phone he could make me laugh,” says Sanderson. Adds Dibble, “he never ran, never rushed. I never saw him flap or get fussed.”

Stevens was also known for mentoring younger Foreign Service officers. “From our perspective as we’re coming up the ranks when folks get to be ambassadors, they become very very serious and sometimes lose a little bit of the vitality and idealism and optimism that they had when they were younger,” says Aaron Snipe, a spokesman for the Bureau for Near Eastern Affairs who was friends with Stevens. “Chris had that optimism and he took that with him.”

Echoed Dibble, “He felt that he could make a difference, without being Pollyanna ish about it. He did it one step at a time. I think he’d probably be embarrassed by what people are saying about him. I think he’d probably say he was just being himself, doing his job. His outlook in life was ‘the glass is half full’ in any situation, no matter how tough. And he has served in some of the toughest places that we have.”

The American diplomatic community will mourn Stevens, who became the first U.S. envoy to be killed in the line of duty since 1979. But the world may miss him more. Libya and the other nations remade by the Arab Spring are in the midst of historic change. He had a dream of making a difference in Libya and I think he was,” says Dibble. “I think he had a lot of hope for Libya, for this tremendous transition it’s going through.” The new democracies of the region need to rebuild free societies out of the ashes of autocracy, while shunning the temptation of religious extremism. Stevens could have helped that process along. As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton put it: “The world needs more Chris Stevenses.” And it needs them now more than ever.


Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/09/12/ambassador-chris-stevens-the-american-who-loved-libya-1960-2012/#ixzz26MQEJsUM

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I guess the libs on here like to forget the fact that Obama was criticizing Bush and McCain every time there was an attack or a roadside bombing in Iraq or Afghanistan. I heard plenty of audio of that this morning on Beck.
So you libs can stop with the feigned outrage over the fact that Romney actually sticks up for our country while Obummer is apologizing for it.

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My bad, I saw the a thread titled U.S. Ambassador to Libya killed and I thought some discussion might be about this death but a great amount of discussion would celebrate his life and service to America. Then  I remembered where I am and kicked myself for expecting more out of posters on this board.

You guys would draw the line in a sand on a toothpaste and make it political. I don't even know why you start new threads it seems to come down to finger pointing and kicking the other guy, and pumping your guy.

Carry On, but if anybody would like to read more about Chris Stevens there is an article below




LMSS - Beautifully said.  It's obvious this great man understood the distinction between war on terror and supporting democracies in the Middle East.  He loved Libya and he will be sorely missed.

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I would think anytime we lose an ambassador to murder, we would lose a very talented and noble person.  A person that loved their job and I would assume who loves their adopted countries.  We would lose a U.S. Citizen, we would lose one of 'us'.  Now what are we going to do about 4 lives lost?  Keep apologizing?  Just saw Hillary do the same thing, apologizing for the film
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Ambassador Stevens' Mother (Mary Commanday) said

"...sure do feel animosity towards those nuts who got in there and did this."  Going on to say the deadly assault "...had nothing to do with the politics of Libya.  They were not insurgents they were Islamic fanatics."

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I agree with LMSS.  The death of these Americans is reprehensible.  These men and women risk their lives everyday working in foreign countries, and we should all be grateful for their service. 

But I still can't comprehend how anyone thinks the US has "apologized" for any of this.  kir says Hillary Clinton "apologized" for thie film.  How is this an apology???

"The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video," Clinton said alongside Morocco’s Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation Saad-Eddine  Al-Otmani at the State Department. “... We have the greatest respect for people of faith… this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose, to denigrate a great religion and to promote rage."

Clinton stressed that the United States has a history of free expression, and the government does not stop individuals from expressing their views, “no matter how distasteful they may be,” Still, Clinton said, “violence in response to speech is not acceptable."

“There is no justification, none at all, to respond to this video with violence," she said. "We condemn this violence in the strongest terms.”


It appears that the film was made in the US.  The actors appearing in the film had no idea what the final product was going to look like.  It was purportedly going to be called "Desert Warrior" and was to be a "historical Arabian Desert adventure film". 

A source close to the cast and crew said "The entire crew and cast are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer," the source said. "We are 100 percent not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."


So by condemning this film, Obama and Clinton are "apologizing"?


Washington Post reported today -

Yemen’s president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, quickly apologized to the U.S. for the embassy attack and vowed track down the culprits, just as Libya’s president did. Egypt’s Islamist President Mohammad Morsi, who had been slow to speak out on Tuesday’s assault on the embassy in Cairo, promised Thursday that his government would not allow attacks on diplomatic missions.

Does this mean Yemen's president is "weak" because he apologized for the actions of a few of his country's citizens?  I don't think so.

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Our response should make no mention of a film that we had nothing to do with. To reference it is to give these murderers cover for their actions. Fine - don't call it an apology. But to mention it at all is to give excuse for this atrocity.
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And another conservative disappointed in Romney for this, and many other things -

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81132.html?hp=r2

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OBAMA GAFFE: WH CLARIFIES EGYPT NO 'ALLY' STATEMENT
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CARTER CORRECTS OBAMA
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Obama rejects Netanyahu meeting, invites Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood president to talk...
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Obama talks with Netanyahu -

http://tinyurl.com/94jypq5


From Politico -

For good measure, Obama called Netanyahu late Tuesday to smooth things over. It wasn’t clear what had been accomplished, though spokesmen for both leaders claimed there had never really been any disagreement in the first place.

“President Obama spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu for an hour tonight as a part of their ongoing consultations,” an Obama spokesman said. “The two leaders discussed the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear program, and our close cooperation on Iran and other security issues.”

The otherwise innocuous readout concluded with a clean-up sentence: “Contrary to reports in the press, there was never a request for Prime Minister Netanyahu to meet with President Obama in Washington, nor was a request for a meeting ever denied.”

A possible explanation -

What is the connection between the Netanyahu-Obama-Romney triangle and the latest Iran controversy? Is the answer peace in Israel and the world, or is the connection Sheldon Adelson?

Fact: Adelson is one of the biggest donors and supporters of Republican candidate for president Mitt Romney. Adelson is investing not only money, but a lot of passion and desire as well. He is acting like a man for whom the ouster of President Barack Obama from office is more important than his health; as if it is the last thing that he wants to achieve in his life. It is as if he is prepared to do almost anything, in addition to donating money, for that to happen.

Fact: Adelson is the biggest patron of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (and of his family). Adelson believes that Netanyahu's leadership is essential for the existence of the Jewish people. He does not merely think this; he acts on it. Donations? That's obvious. But he does for Netanyahu something that no other rich man has probably ever done for the candidate he supports: Adelson established a newspaper for Netanyahu (and his family). Adelson bought journalists to write only praise for the prime minister (and his family); journalists, who after all of Netanyahu's talk, "explain" how right he is. Journalists who cannot, in other words do not dare, find any flaw in Netanyahu's deeds and decisions. Nothing.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000784906&fid=4111

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Our response should make no mention of a film that we had nothing to do with. To reference it is to give these murderers cover for their actions. Fine - don't call it an apology. But to mention it at all is to give excuse for this atrocity.


Exactly, she is engaging in a conversation on free speech with a mob?  Why? She owes them no explanation.  We will not reason our way out of this.  These murderers do not understand reasoning.  Those that are still rioting outside our embassy in Cairo after 1 a.m. their time are really trembling from the fact that there could be more DENOUNCEMENTS coming from our government.

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Your link leads to a page that links to a July 9th story that says -

President Obama has invited Egypt's new president to meet him in New York when the United Nations General Assembly convenes in September, an administration official confirmed to The Hill.

The invitation to Mohammed Morsi, a member of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, a group with a violent past, could raise concerns among lawmakers who have questioned continued U.S. support for Egypt.

The Obama administration has taken steps to reach out to Morsi, arguing he is committed to the Arab Spring revolution and will respect the results of democratic elections.


Morsi IS the new President of Egypt.  Why would it not make sense to meet with him?  And after Tuesday, it's more important than ever.  Obama called the leaders of both Egypt and Libya last night.


As for the "ally" statement, it did seem a little odd, but he may have been referring to Egypt under the new administration - there appears to be a more tenuous relationship with Morsi than Mubarek -

The comment raised eyebrows, considering that Egypt - at least before the fall of Hosni Mubarak -- has long been among the top U.S. allies in the Middle East along with Saudi Arabia and Israel. And legally, it is still considered a major "non-NATO" ally, as Nuland confirmed. 

Nuland and White House aides, though, tried to at the same time suggest that Obama was referring to the fact that Egypt is not part of any formal NATO treaty. 

"'Ally' is a legal term of art. We don't have a mutual defense treaty with Egypt like we do with our NATO allies. But as the president has said, Egypt is long-standing and close partner of the United States, and we have built on that foundation by supporting Egypt's transition to democracy and working with the new government," White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement. 

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the same, claiming Obama was referring to the lack of an alliance treaty with Egypt. But they made clear that Egypt is a major partner, noting that Obama spoke Wednesday with President Mohammad Morsi 

Not everyone was in the same page, though. 

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday would not go so far as to say Egypt is or will be a U.S. ally. "We'll see," she said.
Pelosi's comment and Obama's original comment indeed reflected concern about the direction of Egypt's post-Mubarak government, heavy with the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups. 

Some have complained that Morsi has not cracked down hard enough on the demonstrators who two days ago breached the wall of the U.S. Embassy and continue to gather in large numbers outside the perimeter. They are purportedly angry over an anti-Islam film. 

While condemning attacks on the embassies Thursday, Morsi reportedly said the Egyptian people need "breathing room." And he said he had called on Obama to "put an end to such behavior" like the anti-Islam film. 





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When all is said and done, Mitt took a stance in opposition to America in order to further his own agenda.  This is Mitt Romney.  Off shore accounts instead of investing in his own country.  'This is Mitt Romney. When international incidents call for solidarity, he dons his True Grit eye patch and pulls out his six shooters and attacks his own President.  Shameful at best, but this is Mitt Romney.

The multi-million dollar Super Pacs contributions to get him elected don't come without a price.  He will say anything.......anything  that is fed to him in order to get elected.  He is bought and paid for......and his focus is not you or me.

Just another snapshot of the GOP candidate......
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How you twisted Romneys actions to be a stance against America is quite the spin.
Funny how the Dems are crying how Romney was out of line to question Obamas response when it was Hilary herself that cackled she was in her right to question and debate the Presidents foreign policies when she was running for office and it was wrong to call her out for it.
If nothing else you sure are creative.

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POV - your posts never make any sense.

Tell me why Obama thinks Egypt isn't an ally of ours.  Proof positive that this president is completely clueless.

I also love Biden's honesty when he says that he is "supposedly" an expert on foreign policy.  He's as much an expert on foreign policy as you are.
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Couple of things......

spaz, Forget the Dems., forget my "spin" .... Romney's brethren have made statements as to the inappropriateness of his remarks.  Maintain focus, my remarks addressed Mitt's most recent misspeak. 

pabar....again with the personal attacks, usually a big sign of
"I got nothing".

Have a good evening....
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Suddenly the Libtards are putting credence in something the Republicans say? Hilarious!
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So why is Obama soft on the Muslim Brotherhood?  How many more Americans will die?  Why is the left focusing on Romney when we want to know what obama will do?  Get the focus on these dead Americans and off of the campaign trail. classic deflection and an admission of "I got nothing" when all we can focus on is the president's opponent during a crisis situation.  The protests will continue and be stronger tomorrow and I hear the prez is making his rounds of the hip-hop stations out west.
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Preemptive apologies have to stop.  We shouldn't be sorry or weak at this time.
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... I hear the prez is making his rounds of the hip-hop stations out west.


At least he's consistent. Earlier this week he granted a hard-hitting interview to DJ Pimp With a Limp from Miami.
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... I hear the prez is making his rounds of the hip-hop stations out west.
At least he's consistent. Earlier this week he granted a hard-hitting interview to DJ Pimp With a Limp from Miami.


He told the Pimp with a Limp he was humbled by speaking with the DJ and "hoping I can get a little of that magic from you in this interview".  Meanwhile, Americans are dying

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Meanwhile, Americans are dying


And America as well.
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Now is it true, as the Washington Times is reporting, that the Ambassador was sodomized after his death?
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And now comes word that the administration had a 48 hour notice of these impending attacks and did nothing.  Don't want to let protecting citizens get in the way of your self-serving dedication to get yourself re-elected.

Can anyone on the left have the gall to try to defend why the White House is hosting the Muslim Brotherhood soon?
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