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Nope, Masare just repeats the spewings of the Socialist doctrine. Please educate yourself Masare.  Sad that you cannot do anything but tow a party line. This country will soon come apart. Two nations, followers of the Big Fed, and suckers of the Federal Teat, and those that provide the milk to that teat. As a working aged person, if you are not engaged in producing a product or a service that has a value to our society, of what value are you to our society?
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As noted, this family did improve this land and has used it since the 1880s.  So, they don't feel that they should have to play taxes and usage fees that the federal government issued 100+ years later. 
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So we call the DHS and send over a bunch of military operatives wearing Oakley shades, goatees, and hats screwed on backwards to enforce government ultimatums. These boo boos better pack up and go back to work in foreign countries, enforcing  the decrees of tribal warlords, where people don't have anything other than tribalism and an AK 47. We have Patriots that will stand up against the hired guns of Government "CORPORATIONS", and the BLM is not an agency, they are a registered corporation. For Hire Government Thugs should have their names printed in every local newspaper, just like the Northern MSM newspapers printed the names and addresses of law abiding Gun owners in the Northeast. Come get some punk B's.
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Really doesn't sound like anyone was violating the law but the jackboots.  When the jackboots were shutting down the "Occupy" tent cities, masare and 3leftturns were squalling for their 'rights'.  When the government is turned against working class people, the masares and the 3leftyturns are rooting for the jackboots with guns and helicopters.

The Bundy's actually managed the land for which the BLM wanted payment.  I think the federal government owes the rancher the 300K.  Here is what the family requested from those driving into help shine the light on the jackboots and their gestapo tactics. 

Message  issued by Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers

Per Ammon Bundy, here are some rules:
First, NO MILITARY CAMMO. This is a protest by rural Americans. Dress accordingly. (from me: Oath Keepers can wear Oath Keepers polos if you have them, or OK T shirts, but please no cammo. Let’s respect the Bundy family request).
No open carry of rifles. Any rifles people may have with them need to stay in the vehicles.
When you arrive at the protest rally point, ask for Ammon Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s son, to check in. If he is not there, he will have designated another family rep for you to check in with. DO NOT go past that first rally point/protest site with the flags that the family has set up on private land. Beyond that is the road to their ranch, and no one is to drive to the ranch without express permission and escort by Cliven Bundy or his sons. Please respect their need for security and privacy.
No volunteer is to give any media interviews. Refer all media first and foremost to the Bundy family members present, in particular Cliven Bundy, Ammon, or one of the other sons. And/or refer them to one of the current serving Nevada State legislators who will be there, such as Michele Fiore (she is gathering a coalition of Nevada representatives), or one of the current serving Sheriff’s who will be coming. We are there to support them, and let them handle the media.
If any media ask to interview Oath Keepers, please refer them to me, but I will likely just refer them to the family until we do a press conference once Sheriff Mack arrives – and even then, the focus will be on the coalition of current serving Western State Legislators and Sheriffs that we are helping to gather. They and the family will be the main effort, and we are there as support.
BRING CAMERAS. Film everything. The more cameras, the better.
Bring relevant signs about honoring the oath, respecting property rights and free speech rights. We are there to stand up for rural Americans who are under attack and to pressure the Governor and the Clark County Sheriff to do their duty.



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Wow, who would have thought that local and state authorities could actually act without the approval of a non elected head of a Federal Corporation telling them what to do? Who would of thunk it?
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Pretty gruesome, one bull was shot 5 times.


http://www.westernjournalism.com/graphic-photographic-evidence-slaughtered-cows-bundy-ranch/

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(The title of this thread needs to be changed to REPORTED news...)

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/right-wing-loves-militia-rancher-cliven-bundy-except-glenn-beck

http://mykeystrokes.com/2014/04/17/a-fight-that-has-already-been-settled-nevada-journalists-conservative-media-darling-rancher-is-clearly-breaking-the-law/

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/04/13/kilter-bundy-won-america-lost-1/#.U1BLrKLtBej


Under Bundy's logic, my ancestors were here prior to 1913 and weren't required to pay income taxes, so I should be able to ignore any laws passed after that and I shouldn't have to pay income taxes.  Think that will fly?

And as an aside, the tea party is rushing to the defense of a rancher refusing to pay an onerous fee for grazing his cattle on public lands. A fee imposed not by congress, but the imperial tyrant Ronald Reagan and executive order 12548, signed in 1986.

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You are aware that the land he is on is NV state land, not Federal. If it wasn't for Reid and his land deal this wouldn't even involve the BLM that is led by his ex aide.
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(The title of this thread needs to be changed to REPORTED news...)

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/right-wing-loves-militia-rancher-cliven-bundy-except-glenn-beck

http://mykeystrokes.com/2014/04/17/a-fight-that-has-already-been-settled-nevada-journalists-conservative-media-darling-rancher-is-clearly-breaking-the-law/

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/04/13/kilter-bundy-won-america-lost-1/#.U1BLrKLtBej


Under Bundy's logic, my ancestors were here prior to 1913 and weren't required to pay income taxes, so I should be able to ignore any laws passed after that and I shouldn't have to pay income taxes.  Think that will fly?

And as an aside, the tea party is rushing to the defense of a rancher refusing to pay an onerous fee for grazing his cattle on public lands. A fee imposed not by congress, but the imperial tyrant Ronald Reagan and executive order 12548, signed in 1986.




I'm 50/50 on this, but the BLM way over played its hand. Why didn't the BLM just file a lien? Why did it take so long for then to enforce the court order? There is a good chance the BLM did not take him to court again because he may well have prescriptive rights.


NRS 11.070 No cause of action effectual unless party or predecessor seized or possessed within 5 years. No cause of action or defense to an action, founded upon the title to real property, or to rents or to services out of the same, shall be effectual, unless it appears that the person prosecuting the action or making the defense, or under whose title the action is prosecuted or the defense is made, or the ancestor, predecessor, or grantor of such person, was seized or possessed of the premises in question within 5 years before the committing of the act in respect to which said action is prosecuted or defense made.

[1911 CPA § 10; RL § 4952; NCL § 8509]

NRS 11.080 Seisin within 5 years; when necessary in action for real property. No action for the recovery of real property, or for the recovery of the possession thereof other than mining claims, shall be maintained, unless it appears that the plaintiff, his ancestor, predecessor, or grantor was seized or possessed of the premises in question, within 5 years before the commencement thereof.

[1911 CPA § 11; RL § 4953; NCL § 8510]

http://leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-011.html#NRS011Sec070



The bottom line is Vegas needs the water, and the hydro-electric capabilities. Bundy owns the water and forage rights. Draw your own conclusion?


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According to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the people that demonstrated against the BLM Hostile actions, are Domestic Terrorist. That's right, Americans that object to Harry Reid's land grab are terrorist. Harry Reid should be removed from office, his assets confiscated, and given to the BLM, and tried for treason. His Son should also be the subject of a DOJ investigation into corruption.

http://www.infowars.com/harry-reid-calls-cliven-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists/

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I would ask how the people of Nevada keep electing him but being from CA iI don't have much right to talk.
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I wonder if Harry Reid thinks the Occupy clowns were domestic terrorists?

He is truly awful.
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I wonder if Harry Reid thinks the Occupy clowns were domestic terrorists?

He is truly awful.



NOPE



WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid leveled a blistering attack at Republicans Tuesday that echoed the message of Occupy Wall Street, saying the GOP wants to protect the very richest Americans at the expense of everyone else.

Reid (D-Nev.) was arguing against Senate Republican resistance to a $60 billion measure that would pump cash into infrastructure and transportation projects in hopes of boosting the economy.

It would be funded with a 0.7 percent tax on millionaires’ income above the first $1 million — a levy that Reid called a “no-brainer.”

So on Tuesday, Reid decided to highlight just how well the would-be surtax payers are doing. He pointed to a Congressional Budget Office report, released last week, that found income inequality at its highest level since the late 1920s, having nearly tripled since 1979.

“They’re the same millionaires and billionaires whose annual income has increased by more than 275 percent,” Reid said in a floor speech. “Their share of the nation’s income is higher than at any time since 1928 … since just before the stock market crashed, plunging this country into a Great Depression,” he said.

“Now they take home more than half of all the money earned each year in this great country, even after taxes,” he added. “That means this 1 percent now makes more than the other 99 percent combined.”


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A better explanation of what is really transpiring:



Below, is the explanation, from a neighbor:

Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner

There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price.

If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner


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Does Reid not acknowledge that he is one of those evil millionaires. The biggest difference is he made his money on the backs of taxpayers.
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No the name of this thread should be...quotes..from unknown sources that make no difference!
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Masare you have lost your mind.
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In doing research on BLM, Timothy McVeigh railed about them for falsifying records in New Mexico. Interesting to read his words 20 years later.......
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You seriously sympathize with Timothy McVeigh- what a sicko! You might feel differently if your children were at the daycare. Go to Oklahoma City and take a look - then think again about your opinion.



You know I have completely refrained from personal attacks, but Dinger you are a f@cking idiot!

I have lived in Oklahoma for 40+ years, at the time of the bombing I worked in Shawnee, OK a mere 30 miles from OKC. One of my friends was a paramedic in Choctaw and worked recovery, he still has some small issues dealing with what he saw. The elderly lady rescued climbing down the ladder was the aunt of a co-worker, her husband worked in the building and was killed. The aunt was in a meeting with her staff when the bomb went off, it blew her backwards and when she came to the other side of her desk where her staff had been setting was outside, all 5 were killed.

I did stand at the fence, as they sifted through the wreckage, with the ribbons and the stuffed animals, and the ominous feeling is something I will never forget.

So Dinger run along and stick you liberal head up your liberal backside and let the adults have a discussion.

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Continue to side with people like Bundy and the like and again, your views will become irrelevant.


Says who? You?

dinger, this is the most racist administration in history and plenty of examples have been provided.  We understand you kooks will be running your 2014 and 2016 election campaigns on a purely racial divide in this country that YOU created.  Good job on getting the race card played on this thread.

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Good job on getting the race card played on this thread.


Expected response.  You seriously have nothing to say about Bundy's recent racist comments?  Even Rand Paul and Dean Heller and Ted Cruz have condemned Bundy's comments.  But not you?


As Daily Kos said - "It sure is a shame that after so many Republicans praised a man for taking up arms against the federal government to avoid paying for his use of government land, they should have to deal with the fact that he's also a racist."


Funny how FOX News has backed off on their coverage of Bundy.  Hmmm....


(Classy response, Lost_1.  And you guys wonder why the "libs" don't want to post here anymore.  You guys won't debate.  You just start name-calling when you can't support your position.)



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At this point, this crew over here would look better supporting Ted Bundy
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Does it make us racists when we wonder if obama has a manhood problem?
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Good job on getting the race card played on this thread.


Expected response.  You seriously have nothing to say about Bundy's recent racist comments? 



As far as Bundy, he is a rancher, he needs to ranch.  I don't feel he said anything racist at all.

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And you guys wonder why the "libs" don't want to post here anymore.  You guys won't debate.
We don't wonder why, only pabar does that.  I do not wonder at all why you don't post, I know why.



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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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post #9 "Numbskulls supporting this creep"
post#13 "
This 'argument' you are trying to put forth would embarrass a 5-year-old."
post#14 "
confederacy of dunces"
post#17 "
Can't stand hanging around the kids' table very long"
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Misogyny. Add that to the collection of character traits over here. Good work"
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and as many crazies as you can find to back you up...you don't have to pay? Hmmm!"
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what a sicko!"

 Dinger came in with a purpose, to derail and change the subject of the thread. THEN

Then I read the well thought out responses by Lost 1 especially and others, I wonder how DC can make this remark.

DC post#59 "
And you guys wonder why the "libs" don't want to post here anymore.  You guys won't debate.  You just start name-calling when you can't support your position."

You really picked the wrong thread to break out with that one DC


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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Is this thread about a guy named Bundy or the US Government trampling on the Constitution?

Why does the US government take a citizens private property without due process?

Why did the government destroy a citizens private property without due process?

Why did the government kill a citizens cattle(private property) without due process?

Why did the government draw and use weapons on citizens protesting and exercising their free speech?

I'm not saying I'm for or against Bundy, but I am for the Constitution.

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So Bundy wasn't given due process?

Points from a blog - not my words, but well said, IMO -

1.         Does the Federal Government own these lands, or does Cliven Bundy?

This one is easy.  The Feds own the land and Bundy’s claim that the land belongs to Nevada has never held up in court.  In 1993, the government revoked Bundy’s grazing rights on the land after he stopped paying grazing fees, which isn’t surprising considering he refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Speaking to conservative radio host Dana Loesch, he said, “I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.” Notably, the Nevada Constitution says a citizen’s first allegiance is to the federal government.

Does Bundy have “prescriptive rights” to the land since he stopped paying his grazing fees to the BLM in 1993 but continued to use the land for over twenty years despite a court order?  No one (Bundy included) can get a prescriptive easement over government-owned land.

2.         Did Cliven Bundy get due process?

Let’s do the math:  Cliven Bundy was presented with multiple opportunities to challenge the findings of the courts.  In 1998 a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering him to remove his cattle from the federal lands. He lost an appeal to the San Francisco 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Bundy appealed that ruling to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, and lost again.  Last August, a federal court gave Bundy 45 days to remove his cattle, and in October, a federal district judge ordered Bundy not to “physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.”  The federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness.

Since 1789, we have had ways of settling these disputes. We have a judicial system that gives citizens due process and the right to seek redress for grievances.  When you lose in court and you fail to abide by the court’s order, the judge holds you in contempt and throws you in jail.  



Another question - if you support Bundy in his fight against our tyrannical government, are you also supporting ranchers in Nebraska fighting against the Keystone XL pipeline on their lands?

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Good job on getting the race card played on this thread.


Expected response.  You seriously have nothing to say about Bundy's recent racist comments?  Even Rand Paul and Dean Heller and Ted Cruz have condemned Bundy's comments.  But not you?


As Daily Kos said - "It sure is a shame that after so many Republicans praised a man for taking up arms against the federal government to avoid paying for his use of government land, they should have to deal with the fact that he's also a racist."


Funny how FOX News has backed off on their coverage of Bundy.  Hmmm....


(Classy response, Lost_1.  And you guys wonder why the "libs" don't want to post here anymore.  You guys won't debate.  You just start name-calling when you can't support your position.)





There was no class intended in that post. From Dingers post it is evident that reading comprehension and deductive reasoning is not Dingers strong points. From me stating the McVeighs words were interesting to read 20 years after the fact, Dinger was the only person that jumped to the conclusion that I empathized with McVeigh, because that is the summation that Dinger WANTED to make.



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So Bundy wasn't given due process?


Let me clarify my first point, it is related to the taking of Bundys cattle, not the land. But I can’t understand why the government needs to own any land, except for national defense.

So, the court order said to take some of his cattle and kill a few, then destroy his property, then give the cattle back. Why didn’t the sheriff or the Feds just come down and lock up Bundy, since he was in contempt and all?

Re: Nebraska, I don’t know the details on the XL pipeline, but if the pipeline in going over/under the rancher’s land, the rancher would have to grant permission before that happens, otherwise get the heck off his land.

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