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bluedog

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Handicap, glad to see an LSU fan posting on this............Especially such a rabid LSU fan...........'Bout time you showed up...........
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The reality is that any successful program attracts a certain type of mentally tough player, but in this day and age, one player, whose mental toughness cracks under the weight of demanding coaching, really can bring a whole program down.  It is also true that the bulldog type players who have no fear of the way they are coached will also be pissed and consider the others to be little girls.


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Blue dog. Answer my question what am I lying about??
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That may be why I wasn't a math major!! lol

But still --- 19 or 20 off a roster of over 30??
Like I said.... Half.

They had 37 in a photo either this year, or last, IIRC
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Can someone post a link or perhaps summarize the "Mickey Shunick story" that was referenced?  I am having a hard time fathoming how that horrific murder is in any way relevant to Lotief's firing.     


http://kpel965.com/records-complaints-came-in-for-months-before-lotief-firing/

In another complaint dated September 15th, 2017, players reported Coach Lotief made reference to Mickey Shunick. A member of the team recounted an incident in which Lotief compared them to her. The complaint says he told players If they would have been in the truck, they would have let him rape them. Shunick was the UL Lafayette student who was hit by a truck while riding her bike, sexually assaulted and eventually left for dead.
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Bluedog.... I know someone on the ULL team... just asking where is the whole team since I don't see the person I know... if Mr. Lotief isn't guilty, then I hope he gets his due justice, but kinda ironic that you would call me out since you love sticking your nose in our business. 
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http://kpel965.com/records-complaints-came-in-for-months-before-lotief-firing/

In another complaint dated September 15th, 2017, players reported Coach Lotief made reference to Mickey Shunick. A member of the team recounted an incident in which Lotief compared them to her. The complaint says he told players If they would have been in the truck, they would have let him rape them. Shunick was the UL Lafayette student who was hit by a truck while riding her bike, sexually assaulted and eventually left for dead.
Yeah.... if that is accurate, he had to go.

I feel bad for classy supporters of that program on this board, like Amos.

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From the FOIA request:

https://www.scribd.com/document/363310937/ul-lafayette-foia-requested-complaints-against-softball-coach-michael-lotief

There was also an instance where we were having defensive
practice inside our hitting facility, and I had made an error at second base and Lotief yelled at me, “
Youmotherfucker I want to take this and shove it up your ass every time you fucking do that
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From the FOIA request:

https://www.scribd.com/document/363310937/ul-lafayette-foia-requested-complaints-against-softball-coach-michael-lotief

There was also an instance where we were having defensive
practice inside our hitting facility, and I had made an error at second base and Lotief yelled at me, “
Youmotherfucker I want to take this and shove it up your ass every time you fucking do that


That goes beyond demanding coaching. No one deserves to be talked to like that.

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Supposedly happened during the super at Auburn - not sure of the timeline on the surgery


He was then (as now) on the trach and feeding tube.
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I'm still trying to picture Lotief getting anything close to yelling out of his really damaged throat.  I mean what, did he have a boom speaker attached to his neck?
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Like I said.... Half.

They had 37 in a photo either this year, or last, IIRC


Roster size was 31.
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Coaches lose their temper and say things in the heat of the moment that they later regret.  Coaches tend to be demanding, competitive, emotional, tough, etc.  Much of what they say can be excused. Heck a lot of it is justified.  But if some of these allegations are true, particularly the Mickey Shunick reference, then he needed to be fired.  No excuse or justification for that.  I dare anyone to even try.  Either he said it and needed to go, or he didn't and someone needs to be sued for slander.    
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Can someone post a link or perhaps summarize the "Mickey Shunick story" that was referenced?  I am having a hard time fathoming how that horrific murder is in any way relevant to Lotief's firing.     

It was a humongous story in Lafayette. The entire town searched for her and rallied around her family. There's a memorial bike loop around Lafayette and memorial bike dedicated to her. Lead balloon is how well that will go over. 
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It was a humongous story in Lafayette. The entire town searched for her and rallied around her family. There's a memorial bike loop around Lafayette and memorial bike dedicated to her. Lead balloon is how well that will go over. 


I saw the story a few month ago on Dateline.

https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/dateline-friday-preview-missing-mickey-1029950531663

There is also a 4 part YouTube video on the "Murder of Mickey Shunick"
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And if you're going to play the "taken out of context" game, can someone please try to put that into context and make it seem okay or justifiable?  It can't be done amd like I said before, I dare you to try.   
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They haven't decided. Some of them will be able to play elsewhere. Some won't have options. Tells a lot about his character by telling them all to quit.


Well apparently ace pitcher Alyssa Denham is on her way out...she put out this tweet a couple hours ago

PSA: I have a lot of UL attire for sale. Let me know if you are interested.

She also tweeted her support of Lotief.

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A complaint dated September 11th, 2017, said fans had begun expressing concerns about Coach Lotief's behavior. An incident was described during a road game where the grounds crew asked everyone to get off the grass. Lotief refused and is alleged to have cursed at the visiting grounds crew. This player goes on to say Lotief's tactics went from physical anger to emotional manipulation.



This absolutely 100% happened at the regional in Baton Rouge this year.  I witnessed some of it from a distance and had the other details filled in by a couple of guys on the grounds crew. 
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Former Sooner Alissa Dalton may regret hopping from the defending champs to ULL.
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Doncha love the complainers about the "soft" kids of this generation?   And how society is about to collapse?

One of the dangers of getting older is turning into a cranky old fart.  And once you turn into an cranky old fart, there’s an increasing risk of your brain becoming ossified.  One of the side effects of brain ossification is the inability to adapt to change.  A sure sign of this is the complaint that “this new generation has it soft. . .not like the days of yore, where I walked uphill both ways to and from school and men were men. . .(blah blah blah)”

And yet successive generations thrive, and some eventually pass on to old farthood.

Rinse, repeat.

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Another pic showing a few more players with Michael.........





Doesn't matter how many support him, if he's abused one of them.  Even if they are in the picture.  And there are plenty who are not.

You abuse one, you've provided sufficient reason for termination.

It only takes one.

Of course, if there is insufficient factual basis for ULL finding abuse (or other terminable violation), we're eagerly awaiting it.  So far, you haven't enlightened us with it.

Not that I'm expecting it.
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Doncha love the complainers about the "soft" kids of this generation?   And how society is about to collapse?

One of the dangers of getting older is turning into a cranky old fart.  And once you turn into an cranky old fart, there’s an increasing risk of your brain becoming ossified.  One of the side effects of brain ossification is the inability to adapt to change.  A sure sign of this is the complaint that “this new generation has it soft. . .not like the days of yore, where I walked uphill both ways to and from school and men were men. . .(blah blah blah)”

And yet successive generations thrive, and some eventually pass on to old farthood.

Rinse, repeat.




The watering down continues right here.  Muah.
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The watering down continues right here.  Muah.


QED
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The reality is that any successful program attracts a certain type of mentally tough player, but in this day and age, one player, whose mental toughness cracks under the weight of demanding coaching, really can bring a whole program down.  It is also true that the bulldog type players who have no fear of the way they are coached will also be pissed and consider the others to be little girls.




So Dough, are you are saying that someone ( player or coach ) who is a bully ( which is nothing more than intimidation) , threatens, mocks, demeans or is vulgar ( not just cussing) is a way to " lead " and be tough and any person who " cracks" is just weak ?
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So Dough, are you are saying that someone ( player or coach ) who is a bully ( which is nothing more than intimidation) , threatens, mocks, demeans or is vulgar ( not just cussing) is a way to " lead " and be tough and any person who " cracks" is just weak ?



Please re-read and let me know where I said any of that?
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These things I know:

No one posting on here has more than a partial knowledge of what really happened. Most don't have the first clue. The more critical the poster the less they likely know. This applies to ALL similar threads regarding any school. When a feeding frenzy starts in any thread about any school or coach, review this paragraph.

I've known Mike and his wife for many years. I've worked his camps, I've sat and watched games with him. I've watched his games. I've been in the club house. I've stayed at his house. I've had kids from teams I was part of play there both as starters and as bench players. Never heard anything from them like this. Did they have complaints about PT? One, yes. But nothing remotely similar to this. I know he's not perfect anymore than I am, but over many years I've never seen anything approaching what is described on here. Was I there all the time? No but I'm pretty sure I'd have seen at least one thing in all that time.


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Please re-read and let me know where I said any of that?

Not accusing, asking ?  there will always be tough coaches and players. Strong willed.
Being yelled at to be expected. Discipline , rules for both interaction between players and coaches , players and players. what is acceptable before it crosses the line ?
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These things I know:

No one posting on here has more than a partial knowledge of what really happened. Most don't have the first clue. The more critical the poster the less they likely know. This applies to ALL similar threads regarding any school. When a feeding frenzy starts in any thread about any school or coach, review this paragraph.

I've known Mike and his wife for many years. I've worked his camps, I've sat and watched games with him. I've watched his games. I've been in the club house. I've stayed at his house. I've had kids from teams I was part of play there both as starters and as bench players. Never heard anything from them like this. Did they have complaints about PT? One, yes. But nothing remotely similar to this. I know he's not perfect anymore than I am, but over many years I've never seen anything approaching what is described on here. Was I there all the time? No but I'm pretty sure I'd have seen at least one thing in all that time.



Are you saying the mother of a player on this thread has only partial knowledge? But since you've "worked camps" and sat in the dugout and, you've known him for many years you find the accusations not credible? 

Your post sounds awfully similar to some of the "Clint Myers is a Saint" threads. And we know how that ended up. 

Help me understand how you know what's really going on, especially since you have no current connection to the team. But the parent of an actual player on the current team only has "partial knowledge"? 
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Here is what a student athlete is to expect from a coach according to NCAA Constitution Article 2.  All Coaches have this in their contract also.  These are amateur athletes and it is the coaches job to win while upholding the principles below.  Based on the records release Coach Mike was far from these basic NCAA Rules.  The sport of softball and the women participating will be much better once ALL D1 Coaches abide by the NCAA Constitution.
 
Principles for Conduct of Intercollegiate Athletics

2.01 General Principle. [*] Legislation enacted by the Association governing the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be designed to advance one or more basic principles, including the following, to which the members are committed. In some instances, a delicate balance of these principles is necessary to help achieve the objectives of the Association.
2.1 The Principle of Institutional Control and Responsibility. [*]
2.1.1 Responsibility for Control. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association. The institution’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program, including approval of the budget and audit of all expenditures. (Revised: 3/8/06) 2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility. [*] The institution’s responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.
2.2 The Principle of Student-Athlete Well-Being. [*] Intercollegiate athletics programs shall be conducted in a manner designed to protect and enhance the physical and educational well-being of student-athletes. (Revised: 11/21/05)
2.2.1 Overall Educational Experience. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to establish and maintain an environment in which a student-athlete’s activities are conducted as an integral part of the student-athlete’s educational experience. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.2 Cultural Diversity and Gender Equity. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to establish and maintain an environment that values cultural diversity and gender equity among its student-athletes and intercollegiate athletics department staff. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.3 Health and Safety. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to protect the health of, and provide a safe environment for, each of its participating student-athletes. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.4 Student-Athlete/Coach Relationship. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to establish and maintain an environment that fosters a positive relationship between the student-athlete and coach. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.5 Fairness, Openness and Honesty. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to ensure that coaches and administrators exhibit fairness, openness and honesty in their relationships with student-athletes. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.6 Student-Athlete Involvement. [*] It is the responsibility of each member institution to involve student-athletes in matters that affect their lives. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
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Are you saying the mother of a player on this thread has only partial knowledge? But since you've "worked camps" and sat in the dugout and, you've known him for many years you find the accusations not credible? 

Your post sounds awfully similar to some of the "Clint Myers is a Saint" threads. And we know how that ended up. 

Help me understand how you know what's really going on, especially since you have no current connection to the team. But the parent of an actual player on the current team only has "partial knowledge"? 


You are in the zone, yea , heard that same thing as Mark H states verbatim with a different name inserted. Absolutely right, it's speculation at this point but it certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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