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Prowler

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I know you're serious, Smiley..........And, rightfully so..........You're perceptive and see it..........

Honestly, I think everyone's siding with Michael........

Again, I've stated that there's allegations that the administration deliberately destroyed the softball program..........Also, allegations that there's coercion by the administration in getting a coupla folks to say things they didn't mean...........

Now, these are serious allegations and they have already been put out there in public...........There are lawyers involved and if this gets pushed, its, all, gonna come out............


Help me out here, you’re being cryptic:

1) Did Lotief call players p***y routinely as is alleged? (He says he did, although he didn’t cop to that word he also didn’t deny using it, but did say he used improper language.)

2) Did he make a “joke” alluding to Trump saying he wishes he could grab a woman by her private parts, and say so to players? (As far as I know he didn’t address this.)

3) Did he “put his hands” on a player — poke her? (He says he did.)

4) Were you there on a daily basis to know whether or not he did these things? (Some of which he admits.)

5) Do you believe these things are proper conduct for a coach of young women?

6) In what ways were the accusing players coerced into making these charges?

7) Did every single player on the team (without coercion from other players or Lotief or Lotief supporters) sign off on the statement of support? Including those who made the allegations (some of which he has admitted to)?

8) Was every single current player and every player from last year’s team present supporting him? I know they carried like 35 players on the roster, so was every one of them on board and present?

You claim to know what’s going on. So tell us.
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If THAT is the extent of it, what a pile of horsesh*t that would be.

Has to be deeper
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If THAT is the extent of it, what a pile of horsesh*t that would be.

Has to be deeper


Try it at work and tell me how that goes down with your supervisors.

Tell a Title IX investigator how that doesn’t create a hostile environment.

And tell me: do you consider that appropriate conduct?
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This sounds made to order for Brad Gibson/Wentyard. Who, by the way, has been very silent since the Auburn debacle didn't quite go as he scripted it. 


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The discussion has been mostly civil so far - and I applaud that...........

It's one thing to reprimand a coach - and an entirely different thing to fire a coach, and especially in the manner the UL administration fired Michael..........Anyone who has spent any time around Michael knows he likes to joke around - but they will, also, know he doesn't mean any harm to anyone...........

In Prowler's scathing report, even he admits that Michael acknowledged things he said..........Michael is an honorable, truth-teller...........


I'll say this as my opinion..........Look for the next UL softball coach to be a woman with no previous college head-coaching experience..........I believe that's already been decided and the national search thing is a BS formality.............
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The discussion has been mostly civil so far - and I applaud that...........

It's one thing to reprimand a coach - and an entirely different thing to fire a coach, and especially in the manner the UL administration fired Michael..........Anyone who has spent any time around Michael knows he likes to joke around - but they will, also, know he doesn't mean any harm to anyone...........

In Prowler's scathing report, even he admits that Michael acknowledged things he said..........Michael is an honorable, truth-teller...........


I'll say this as my opinion..........Look for the next UL softball coach to be a woman with no previous college head-coaching experience..........I believe that's already been decided and the national search thing is a BS formality.............


If that last sentence is true, goodbye to the UL softball program.

As stated before, whether Lotief is a hero or a zero will eventually come out. We all know that.
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Any chance of Kyla Holas? She's got experience, some success, a connection to the program, and it could be a quick transition. 
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Is there really another choice. She seems beyond the logical choice in this case.
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Is there really another choice. She seems beyond the logical choice in this case.


Except she's happily married and lives in Houston. I couldn't imagine her leaving her husband to coach in Lafayette full time.
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Is there really another choice. She seems beyond the logical choice in this case.



And back to mediocre they go.
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I wonder if TJ Hubbard would come back and be the head coach. He was an assistant at ULL a few years ago and is currently the head coach at Utah Valley. He also has stops as an assistant at Kansas and was the head coach at North Texas.
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They are the official UL sports station..........They broadcast the games and have sports talk programs.........Game announcers work for them......Their bread-and-butter is the UL President..........And, he's the guy who is behind this sham...........

Just some facts..........
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Maybe this is just a coincidence: 

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There are so many other things I could write, but one that stands out as beyond crazy/insane is at regionals he was with his team on the field. A gentleman from the field crew asked them to get off the field politely. "Coach" replied X team was on field. Crew man stated well they were warming up. "Coach" jumps up and down pounding his feet into ground and said you want to see me warming up I'll warm up you pxxxxx! When he finally decided to leave, as he walked past the crew, with his team, he yelled "how would you like me to stick my dxxx in your mouth while your doing that" and "bend over so I can stick my dxxx up your ass!!! I heard this from several players. I know some of you will not believe it. I asked my daughter and others confirmed it, what did the field crew do? And apparently they said nothing. I'm sure they were speechless


From the article:  http://kpel965.com/records-complaints-came-in-for-months-before-lotief-firing/

The concerns apparently didn't stop with the players. A complaint dated September 11th, 2017, said fans had begun expressing concerns about Coach Lotief's behavior. An incident was described during a road game where the grounds crew asked everyone to get off the grass. Lotief refused and is alleged to have cursed at the visiting grounds crew. 

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Yes I too wish these girls would report their abusive coaches. The coach has so much power over them, over their education, the playing time of the game they have devoted/sacrificed most of their lives to, not to mention not wanting to let their teammates down, many who are more like sisters. My daughter, who is done playing is still too intimidated to report the "coach", whose team has been in the top 20 for many years. He is highly regarded and loved in the community. I could write a lot of things about this person, but after yelling at her for 30 minutes or so in front of the team, told her to find a rope and hang herself!!!!


From the article:  http://kpel965.com/records-complaints-came-in-for-months-before-lotief-firing/

There is no one there but a circle of just the starters and Coach Mike -he had instructed all "nonstarters to get out of the indoor". I am shaking as I write this. I have never seen someone so angry -he told me to leave; I was crying as he was mimicking me and making fun of my nervous nonverbal habits with hatred and disgust and forced me to stop and stand still with my arms straight down at my side. He begged others to step in and take his side. He said, "I have given you so many opportunities and chances you can hang yourself with a rope."

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loteif turned around in the middle of a game and gave me the middle finger and told me to “kiss this” as he grabbed his butt. i can only imagine how he acts to his administration when not getting his way, if he responded how he did to a college aged student while he was losing a game.
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The UL softball team is protesting administrators in the UL athletics department. They are also expressing their support for their coach Mike Lotief, who's been on leave since early October, after he says he raised Title IX concerns with the university.

29 of the women on the team released a statement in support of Lotief saying the athletic department is conducting an "unjust investigation" into him.



There's a letter these players sent to this UL President to stop the scam..............I've noticed that when disgruntled people complain, they grandstand and stretch the facts........The support of at least twenty-nine current players who were willing to sign their name is quite a testament that the coup on Michael Lotief is a scam..........

Unlike this radio station, these players have no agenda other than to just tell the truth...........
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TideKid, you got your feelings hurt a long time ago and you've attacked Michael on here at least several times that I remember..........

Another Alabama fan spouting-off is how I see you...........You're the second Alabama fan that's done this on this thread..........Imagine that...........
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I know some of you will not believe it.


A disgruntled softball fan said this?...........Now, why would anyone not believe what this person says happened?

I see Buffy has resorted to name-calling............When you tell lies about someone you don't even know, might as well spread the vengeance around - I guess............. 
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And back to mediocre they go.

Maybe but that's better than ending up like Stanford did after a similar firing situation.
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Nah, I'm not into the starter stuff...........A player is a player...........There's been vengeful disgruntled starters, too.........And, vengeful disgruntled parents..........That'll always be..........And, they'll always take liberties with the truth...........

Some things you can count on..............
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I'd really hate to see what any athlete who says he or she was "bullied" by his or her coach would do under the weight of an ass hole drill instructor while serving in the military.

Good lord.
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loteif turned around in the middle of a game and gave me the middle finger and told me to “kiss this” as he grabbed his butt. i can only imagine how he acts to his administration when not getting his way, if he responded how he did to a college aged student while he was losing a game.


Wow. That’s terrible!
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I'd really hate to see what any athlete who says he or she was "bullied" by his or her coach would do under the weight of an ass hole drill instructor while serving in the military.

Good lord.

They aren't in the military though. They're not preparing for battle, they're playing a game. And if that Mickey Shunick story is real, you can throw the rest of it out, that'll be enough in Lafayette. The public sentiment for him would be contained to family and close friends. 
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I'd really hate to see what any athlete who says he or she was "bullied" by his or her coach would do under the weight of an ass hole drill instructor while serving in the military.


With all due respect to our military, and I do respect them tremendously. These athletes did not sign up for military type training. Do I think some can be soft yes but verbal abuse can go too far. I don't know about this situation but it sounds like Buffy has very personal opinion and she has a right to it. I hope that everything works out for her daughter. 

I have been reading this forum for awhile but this discussion caused me to register with an opinion. I played (baseball) for a coach that was demanding and kids in our HS quit because they could not handle it. But he was fair to each and every player. He made me a very average not very athletic kid into someone that was able to walk on and play college baseball. I am the coach I am because of him. I do not coach that way because you can not in today's society. But I am better personal/man because of him. (Thanks Coach B RIP)

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She didn't sign up for the military, and the entire story isn't out. A lot of people thought Sandusky was a stand up guy. Were those boys snow flakes too? The title IX thing is just a ruse. It's all fake. Lotief told the team to quit the program yesterday too. He's taking them all down with him. Good job little m
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They aren't in the military though. They're not preparing for battle, they're playing a game. And if that Mickey Shunick story is real, you can throw the rest of it out, that'll be enough in Lafayette.



Yeah I did not like that part of the story at all.  My point was really that the term "bullying" has become way overused and that people of these latter generations have indeed become soft.

It is a game, but a business at the same time, and being broken down by a coach sometimes happens...none of their lives will be ruined for being coached by Mike Lotief.  Same with Rittman.
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We have a vengeful poster with an agenda and who has lied - I know that for sure - who wants the truth-seekers to stop posting...........But, this poster hates bullying..........[biggrin]
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I'd really hate to see what any athlete who says he or she was "bullied" by his or her coach would do under the weight of an ass hole drill instructor while serving in the military.


With all due respect to our military, and I do respect them tremendously. These athletes did not sign up for military type training. Do I think some can be soft yes but verbal abuse can go too far. I don't know about this situation but it sounds like Buffy has very personal opinion and she has a right to it. I hope that everything works out for her daughter. 

I have been reading this forum for awhile but this discussion caused me to register with an opinion. I played (baseball) for a coach that was demanding and kids in our HS quit because they could not handle it. But he was fair to each and every player. He made me a very average not very athletic kid into someone that was able to walk on and play college baseball. I am the coach I am because of him. I do not coach that way because you can not in today's society. But I am better personal/man because of him. (Thanks Coach B RIP)



Nice post!  I also grew up under old school coaching and would not have it any other way.

If women athletes want to be seen as the same as men, then they have to be able to be treated/coached the same way as men.  I guarantee you there are a BUNCH of old school male coaches out there coaching the boys.
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Are you aware he's told team to quit?????


Please say they are not going to do that.

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Are you aware he's told team to quit?????


Obviously this is an emotional time for a team parent. That said, it is HIGHLY unlikely the whole team will stage some sort of 'walk-out'. It's only November and the desire to play will take over about 1 day after Thanksgiving. Even if a few do leave on principal, I guarantee you there will be more than an adequate number of kids willing to play in Spring.

Unless the Admn has some sort of ax to grind & shuts the program down. Doubt that also.
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