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jayrot

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I did not follow UGA softball that closely a couple of years ago, but if memory serves me correctly, Chelsea Wilkinson took a couple of years before she became a superstar.  Expecting a freshman to come in and have similar success is probably unrealistic.  Chelsea also had the benefit of Ricky Pauly as her pitching coach.


She took basically 1 year.  And if you know the situation a huge weight was lifted off her for her sophomore year.

Either way, Mathis will be good.  Try not to put expectations on a freshman, but I will say she should be at least as good as last year's freshman pitchers.  She should at the very least be a #2C.
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Correction, trade velocity for movement...spin rate will stay the same but increased speed will reduce the amount of break. I'm saying she can throw a fastball at 65 however she never throws them in a game and hasn't since 12u. My prediction is Mathis will get plenty of opportunities, will carry a sub 2 ERA, and by supers, will share or occupy the #1 spot. One of us will be able to say I told you so. Lol


ye throwing a 65mph fastball in the SEC is throwing batting practice.

As far as your prediction, I look forward to being proven wrong. She will be fun to watch develop. 
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ye throwing a 65mph fastball in the SEC is throwing batting practice.

As far as your prediction, I look forward to being proven wrong. She will be fun to watch develop. 


a pitcher develop at UGA???? didn't know that happened.  /s
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<< If she can learn to locate a 3 level rise @ 65, she will be way ahead of most freshman. But last I looked she was a long way from Alexis Osorio/Alabama as a freshman. And not sure I'd compare her to Garcia/UCLA, or Balint & Ellish/Oregon just yet. 

Please don't make the mistake of thinking any freshman's current abilities will have an immediate impact at the next level, too much of a learning curve, especially for Pitchers. >> (outofzone)

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Just wanted to mention that Paige Parker was pretty effective as a freshman for Oklahoma (28-7 plus 3 saves with a 1.65 ERA). There clearly are some pitchers (like Osorio/Parker) who can be star players for their teams as a freshman. And I'd say that it is not all that uncommon for a pitcher to have an immediate impact as a freshman in college. Even on a team with two very strong pitchers as their #1 and #2... Lopez did it in 2017 for Oklahoma (going 18-1). (me)

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<< I would respectfully disagree. The ones we have noted are obvious examples certainly. They play for P5 programs & were highly recruited. But I think the numbers would show the percentages are small for freshman having an immediate impact. Now how you define impact is up for debate. For every Parker, Balint, Osorio, Ellish etc...there must be 5-7 which you don't hear much from, at least for their freshman year. >> (outofzone)

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If I were going to try and define "impact" for this discussion... I guess I'd say they would have a solid W-L record and a solid ERA (both being better than their league averages). 

Besides having to agree on how to define "impact", we would also need to agree on what we mean by "not all that uncommon".  It seems to me that pretty much every season there are some freshman pitchers who have an immediate impact on their team's success. To me - that equates to being not all that uncommon.

Sure there are more that do not have a real impact... but there are always some that do have a real impact. It is not unusual for there to be freshman pitchers that have a real impact that first season. In my view, even if it is just 10% of them (or even just 5%)... that shows that freshman pitchers can have a real impact for their team in their first season. It is not like it is something that is unheard of - or like the odds of winning the lottery. Your comment (that I highlighted above in bold) made it sound like the chances of a freshman pitcher making a significant contribution to a team... are nearly zilch. I just think the odds are clearly better than that. 

Your follow up post - where you listed a 5 to 1 (and then a 7 to 1) ratio... is much more along the lines that I would agree with. So basically we are agreeing now - that freshman pitchers CAN and do make very significant contributions in their first season. 
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a pitcher develop at UGA???? didn't know that happened.  /s


Ever since Ricky Pauly left town I have wondered what UGA was doing to develop their pitchers...
jayrot

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Ever since Ricky Pauly left town I have wondered what UGA was doing to develop their pitchers...


Hasn't that been only 2 yrs?
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Pauly was there for one season.  The 2014-2015 Season.
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