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Ccarr09

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Thoughts on next years team? What will the lineup be, will any of the freshman claim the open positions or who will reshuffle to claim them? Does this team have a chance to get back to the WCWS?
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Sad past season for them, it cant really get much worse so I expect them to regain that same momentum as previous years
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I think the WCWS is probably a reach for 2018. I'd be pleased with a #1 pitcher, improved defense, and making supers.

As for the lineup, no major changes. I think Bryan has pretty well staked her claim in center, Emanuel will have one corner outfield spot, and Dickey and Burton will rotate in the other.

I assume Milz will be back at 2nd, but if Doggett can be a little more consistent at the plate, I'd be good having her there as well.

I'm keeping an eye on the catcher spot. If O'Neal can't improve considerably at the plate, I'd expect Harding to get a good look.

Mostly, I just want to see signs that we're working at improving the defense. That's been in steady decline for the past couple of years, and I'd like to dig our way out of the bottom slot in the league.
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I think Lauren Mathis has a chance to breathe some life back into the program. Tough season, and ready to see Georgia be competitive again
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I think Lauren Mathis has a chance to breathe some life back into the program. Tough season, and ready to see Georgia be competitive again

Agreed about Mathis. I believe she's what UGA needs, also looking forward to Napoli.

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Any talk of anyone transferring in or out??
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 When/if we quit giving extra outs, and extra bases with poor defense then improvement will happen. I'm at the point now that I have little expectations of that happing. Do have hope, but don't think we can any longer just try to act like this isn't an ongoing problem from season to season. The players change, but poor defense remains.  JMO, and is worth what you paid for it. [smile]
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Lauren Mathis picked up with Jersey Intensity KOD for PGF Nationals and she did a dang good job. 

3-0, 0.35 ERA (gave up a lone run to GA Impact-Lewis) - struck out 31 batters in 20 innings pitched. 

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WOW!! hopefully she can be as successful in college. 
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WOW!! hopefully she can be as successful in college. 

She will be! I have no doubt in Mathis and her ability to win at least 15 games next year!

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She will be! I have no doubt in Mathis and her ability to win at least 15 games next year!


She will need to win more than that to keep Georgia afloat
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She will need to win more than that to keep Georgia afloat

We'll have BG too (hopefully healthy) I feel like this year will be a rebuilding year but a better year all the way around!

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She will need to win more than that to keep Georgia afloat
 

I was just about to say that!
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I was just about to say that!

If she can win 15 and Gray can win 15 and Bass can get some wins alone with Napoli then it'll be okay! No need to just ride Mathis with three good arms on the bench. If UGA wants to be successful they have to develop a STAFF this year.

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If she can win 15 and Gray can win 15 and Bass can get some wins alone with Napoli then it'll be okay! No need to just ride Mathis with three good arms on the bench. If UGA wants to be successful they have to develop a STAFF this year.


Oh, UGA will have a staff. Unless there is a transfer that's gone unreported, they will have 6 in that 1 room apt with 1 bathroom...the bullpen. Last I remember, only room for 1 in the circle. And I don't believe any of those 6 play other positions. 

I watched Mathis in CA. Not sure why she didn't throw more actually. Good numbers against decent competition to. However, it would be optimistic at best to hope for 15 wins in SEC play. While she does move the ball well, she still lacks enough velocity to control SEC hitters on a semi regular basis. Ex: another 2017 stud commit, Gabby Sprand/TN, throws much harder than Mathis, moves ball as well AND is a lefty. She got the hook against the Bandits and her team faded away. Point is, all these pitchers are very good, Travel Ball good...to be SEC 'good enough' will take some time. 

I'm huge UGA fan. Everything will ride on whether Gray can stay healthy. After her, I'm sure Ablan & Avant will get every oppt to make good. I would think much effort will be expended in getting Mathis bigger/stronger so she can move the ball in the 62-64 range come Spring. Napoli throws a college rise with velocity already. She just needs an on demand off speed. If you see LHC going to Bass very much at all, UGA in trouble. She should be a "break glass in emergency" type option. 

Watch this Fall season closely. Just too many kids in that bullpen. 
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Napoli didn't do well at all in Cali. That said, neither did her team.
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Napoli didn't do well at all in Cali. That said, neither did her team.


Well, I think as a whole we all put too much blame AND praise on pitchers. While Napoli, Mathis, Sprang or any of the other hyped up 2017 recruits didn't do as well as we thought they should have, it doesn't minimize their ability...at least not yet.

What Holloway/Bandits has which hardly any other team has is run support. That on top of very fast, aggressive kids who can simply catch & throw. Her overall team support IS the reason for her success. As the #1 rated pitcher in the 2017 class, it will be very interesting to see how she transitions at Notre Dame. I think you will see, all the 2017 better pitchers, given equal innings in their freshman years, will have very similar stat sheets. Following their ERA & WHIP is a pretty good indicator how they are doing regardless of their won/lost record. College will be their big equalizer...stating the obvious of course. 

All these kids will learn failure very quickly next Spring. Holloway, in the ACC may fare a bit better than some of the pitchers going into the SEC. Only because the ACC is a weaker overall Conference. Still, the 2017 pitching class is very strong and should be fun to watch who stands out next Spring.
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In all honesty I totally forgot about Ablan..
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In all honesty I totally forgot about Ablan..
Avant will be better too
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Avant will be better too

I have a feeling Ablan will play a bigger role this year for UGA than Avant only because Ablan had that good outing at Arkansas without a brace on. If she's healthy she could be a good option as well! Kinda seems like the UGA of '09-'10 where the starting pitcher was a mystery

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I have a feeling Ablan will play a bigger role this year for UGA than Avant only because Ablan had that good outing at Arkansas without a brace on. If she's healthy she could be a good option as well! Kinda seems like the UGA of '09-'10 where the starting pitcher was a mystery


I will be surprised if Ablan is not the #2 pitcher this season behind a healthy BG.  If KB is seeing a lot of innings UGA will probably finish in the cellar of the SEC again.
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I watched Mathis in CA. Not sure why she didn't throw more actually. Good numbers against decent competition to. However, it would be optimistic at best to hope for 15 wins in SEC play. While she does move the ball well, she still lacks enough velocity to control SEC hitters on a semi regular basis. Ex: another 2017 stud commit, Gabby Sprand/TN, throws much harder than Mathis, moves ball as well AND is a lefty. She got the hook against the Bandits and her team faded away. Point is, all these pitchers are very good, Travel Ball good...to be SEC 'good enough' will take some time. 
 


I think you place to much on velocity but I can assure you she can throw 65. Spin!! likely the highest rates in the country overall...very hard to square up and so some velocity is traded for movement. As for SEC play, time will tell but she's been playing 18u "Gold" or "Premier" or whatever you want to call it since she was 14...with success. My point is, she's already faced much of what the SEC has and has coming...
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I think you place to much on velocity but I can assure you she can throw 65. Spin!! likely the highest rates in the country overall...very hard to square up and so some velocity is traded for movement. As for SEC play, time will tell but she's been playing 18u "Gold" or "Premier" or whatever you want to call it since she was 14...with success. My point is, she's already faced much of what the SEC has and has coming...


Indulge me then on her spin rates...what are they? And every travel kid these days plays on a Gold/Premier team. That doesn't mean much of anything anymore. 

Mathis is a competent pitcher. But she will be a freshman who has to compete against 5 other pitchers for innings. It's one thing to have faced a bunch of High Schoolers & above average travel ball hitters but, it's an entirely different matter to face an SEC lineup that is 9 deep with MAYBE 1 kid she has recently thrown against. 

If she can learn to locate a 3 level rise @ 65, she will be way ahead of most freshman. But last I looked she was a long way from Alexis Osorio/Alabama as a freshman. And not sure I'd compare her to Garcia/UCLA, or Balint & Ellish/Oregon just yet.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking any freshman's current abilities will have an immediate impact at the next level, too much of a learning curve, especially for Pitchers.


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<< If she can learn to locate a 3 level rise @ 65, she will be way ahead of most freshman. But last I looked she was a long way from Alexis Osorio/Alabama as a freshman. And not sure I'd compare her to Garcia/UCLA, or Balint & Ellish/Oregon just yet.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking any freshman's current abilities will have an immediate impact at the next level, too much of a learning curve, especially for Pitchers. >> (outofzone)

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Just wanted to mention that Paige Parker was pretty effective as a freshman for Oklahoma (28-7 plus 3 saves with a 1.65 ERA). There clearly are some pitchers (like Osorio/Parker) who can be star players for their teams as a freshman. And I'd say that it is not all that uncommon for a pitcher to have an immediate impact as a freshman in college. Even on a team with two very strong pitchers as their #1 and #2... Lopez did it in 2017 for Oklahoma (going 18-1). 
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<< If she can learn to locate a 3 level rise @ 65, she will be way ahead of most freshman. But last I looked she was a long way from Alexis Osorio/Alabama as a freshman. And not sure I'd compare her to Garcia/UCLA, or Balint & Ellish/Oregon just yet.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking any freshman's current abilities will have an immediate impact at the next level, too much of a learning curve, especially for Pitchers. >> (outofzone)

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Just wanted to mention that Paige Parker was pretty effective as a freshman for Oklahoma (28-7 plus 3 saves with a 1.65 ERA). There clearly are some pitchers (like Osorio/Parker) who can be star players for their teams as a freshman. And I'd say that it is not all that uncommon for a pitcher to have an immediate impact as a freshman in college. Even on a team with two very strong pitchers as their #1 and #2... Lopez did it in 2017 for Oklahoma (going 18-1). 


wasn't the discussion about speed? I believe Parker and Maria had mid to upper 60's speed from when I saw them play
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Poster wmuga, in response to my post that I didn't think Mathis threw hard enough to keep SEC hitters in check, was pointing out Lauren Mathis assuredly throws 65. But said she was trading velocity for spin rate.

The freshman I noted were only a couple examples out of some very good ones over the years. Apologies for leaving some obvious choices out but just trying to make the point while the Mathis kid is a good pitcher, I personally wouldn't put her in the upper pantheon of the better freshman I and you guys have mentioned. 
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Just wanted to mention that Paige Parker was pretty effective as a freshman for Oklahoma (28-7 plus 3 saves with a 1.65 ERA). There clearly are some pitchers (like Osorio/Parker) who can be star players for their teams as a freshman. And I'd say that it is not all that uncommon for a pitcher to have an immediate impact as a freshman in college. Even on a team with two very strong pitchers as their #1 and #2... Lopez did it in 2017 for Oklahoma (going 18-1).   by HLA

 I would respectfully disagree. The ones we have noted are obvious examples certainly. They play for P5 programs & were highly recruited. But I think the numbers would show the percentages are small for freshman having an immediate impact. Now how you define impact is up for debate. For every Parker, Balint, Osorio, Ellish etc...there must be 5-7 which you don't hear much from, at least for their freshman year.

HLA, you always conjure up some pretty good stats though.
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Poster wmuga, in response to my post that I didn't think Mathis threw hard enough to keep SEC hitters in check, was pointing out Lauren Mathis assuredly throws 65. But said she was trading velocity for spin rate.


Correction, trade velocity for movement...spin rate will stay the same but increased speed will reduce the amount of break.

I'm saying she can throw a fastball at 65 however she never throws them in a game and hasn't since 12u.

My prediction is Mathis will get plenty of opportunities, will carry a sub 2 ERA, and by supers, will share or occupy the #1 spot. One of us will be able to say I told you so. Lol

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She is the real deal(will be another Chelsea Wilkinson)...
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She is the real deal(will be another Chelsea Wilkinson)...


I did not follow UGA softball that closely a couple of years ago, but if memory serves me correctly, Chelsea Wilkinson took a couple of years before she became a superstar.  Expecting a freshman to come in and have similar success is probably unrealistic.  Chelsea also had the benefit of Ricky Pauly as her pitching coach.
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