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woody

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Sorry. It will henceforth be known as the artist formally known as Obamacare and now known as a symbol. http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/poo.jpg?w=584&h=377
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PDad

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Yes I did post as an EX:  I just added the Robinhood.  PDad, Your quote should have included the EX:

Or not attributed it to you. My bad.

Sorry it bothered you so much. 
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you've always been the stickler for details.  Don't half-ass it if you point out everyone else's half-assing
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Sorry it bothered you so much. 


You a punk when you tack this on to your insincere apology.

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keepinitreal

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I just want it known that he is the chief of forum correctness.  He has corrected me until I don't pay attention any longer, then he started on everyone else.  Doesn't like it so much when he's caught being less than perfect
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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In the past when I caught him, he went back and edited, so this time

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It would increase the taxes paid by middle-class workers on their wages by making the value of employer insurance taxable income. At the same time, it would cut taxes on employer benefit packages valued over $500,000,

It repeals Obamacare's Cadillac Tax and adds something similar down the road (~8 years). An explanation for the new tax is to meet 10-year budget rules that would otherwise require AHCA be temporary with a sunset date (e.g. Bush tax cuts).

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
PDad

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I just want it known that he is the chief of forum correctness.  He has corrected me until I don't pay attention any longer, then he started on everyone else.  Doesn't like it so much when he's caught being less than perfect

LMAO whatever...
TheNarrator

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KIR misses Dewey
keepinitreal

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Durden is dewy's cock holster.



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keepinitreal

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You pussies are more fun and more sensitive than dewy
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TheNarrator

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You pussies are more fun and more sensitive than dewy


You're pretty agitated for Saturday, might want to slow down. Someone's bound to insult Ivanka or something like that. You'll need all your faculties.
keepinitreal

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More so than normal yes, so in no mood to listen to PDAD whine. Then you tag teamed the whine with your dewy nonsense. I can give it out as good as I can take it. You, like dewy, butted into someone else's business.
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
PDad

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FTR, KIR's objection to my post reminded me of Dewey's whining about people's FTFY edits of his posts.
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Durden is dewy's cock holster.



Ouch.  Plus you gave him a small job.

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uwApoligist

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FTR, KIR's objection to my post reminded me of Dewey's whining about people's FTFY edits of his posts.

Your back and forth reminds me of a bluedog turden dewey 3 way.

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PDad

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I'd heard 12 Senators have been "meeting for weeks" regarding an Ocare replacement. Sounds like they have a combination of Senate leaders, committee members and reps for factions/wings to put together something that can pass.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-wont-vote-on-house-passed-healthcare-bill/article/2622152
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secretive-senate-healthcare-working-group-includes-no-women/article/2622266

The working group has been meeting for weeks, said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the group.

"What we have to do is build a consensus among our conference and that is what the working group is designed to do," Cornyn said. "To get to a compromise we can agree to and then present it to the larger conference."

McConnell spokesman David Popp said "... Senators from throughout the Conference have been working on solutions. Those meetings and efforts continue, including chairmen of the relevant committees and leadership. They will continue to have regular updates with the entire conference so the Senate can continue to move expeditiously on the work ahead as it considers the House-passed legislation."

Here's a list of the members:
  • Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
  • Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas,
  • Senate Republican Conference Chair John Thune, R-S.D.
  • Senate Republican Policy Committee Chair John Barrasso, R-Wyo.
  • Senate Steering Committee Chair Mike Lee, R-Utah
  • Senate Finance Committee Chair Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
  • Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chair Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
  • Senate Budget Committee Chair Mike Enzi, R-Wyo.
  • Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio (Finance Health Subcommittee Chair)
  • Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa. (Finance)
  • Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Col. (Budget)
  • Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas
  • Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark.
 
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I believe that part, what I will not believe is that Cornyn himself was an integral part.  He's been a part of the swamp since he arrived

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Your back and forth reminds me of a bluedog turden dewey 3 way.


You forgot yourself and your safety pin.
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You forgot yourself and your safety pin.

safety pins are a nevertrump thing:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/why-are-people-wearing-safety-pins-donald-trump-win-who-started-protest-facebook-twitter-brexit-president-does-meaning/

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TheNarrator

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Not according to you:

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Men in gay workplaces are encouraged to put a saftey pin on their pocket when they are visiting a coworker which they want to give them anal sex.  

hahahaha.  You have to admit the donald guys come up with some funny a55 sh1t.   All these dipsh1t libtards running around with safety pins on their pockets inviting gays to have anal sex with them. 

You get your safety pin on yet?


You flooded the site with this info in response to a joke about trumpeters complaining about a Star Wars movie.

I'm not quite sure how, or if I want to know how, you came about this information.

mikec

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Quote:
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Durden is dewy's cock holster.




It's possible to hate Clinton, and distrust trump.  Especially if you believe that a leftist government, under either D or R banner, will further degrade this nation.

The jury is still out as to how this admin will go. He appointed a good judge, for which he should be commended.

You are falling trap to the "either/or" narrative of the trumpies, and it doesn't have to be so.


edit: as I said in another thread, wherein EG replied "oh Mike", which UWA predictably liked, this is one of the biggest issues with trump.  OP is turned on itself now.
woody

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Quote:
Originally Posted by PDad
I'd heard 12 Senators have been "meeting for weeks" regarding an Ocare replacement. Sounds like they have a combination of Senate leaders, committee members and reps for factions/wings to put together something that can pass.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-wont-vote-on-house-passed-healthcare-bill/article/2622152
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secretive-senate-healthcare-working-group-includes-no-women/article/2622266

The working group has been meeting for weeks, said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the group.

"What we have to do is build a consensus among our conference and that is what the working group is designed to do," Cornyn said. "To get to a compromise we can agree to and then present it to the larger conference."

McConnell spokesman David Popp said "... Senators from throughout the Conference have been working on solutions. Those meetings and efforts continue, including chairmen of the relevant committees and leadership. They will continue to have regular updates with the entire conference so the Senate can continue to move expeditiously on the work ahead as it considers the House-passed legislation."

Here's a list of the members:
  • Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
  • Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas,
  • Senate Republican Conference Chair John Thune, R-S.D.
  • Senate Republican Policy Committee Chair John Barrasso, R-Wyo.
  • Senate Steering Committee Chair Mike Lee, R-Utah
  • Senate Finance Committee Chair Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
  • Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chair Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
  • Senate Budget Committee Chair Mike Enzi, R-Wyo.
  • Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio (Finance Health Subcommittee Chair)
  • Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa. (Finance)
  • Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Col. (Budget)
  • Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas
  • Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark.
 



These swamp monsters have had 6 years plus to meet and plan a replacement for Obamacare. Now suddenly we are expected to believe they are actually going to repeal and replace? More of the same. Support Teaparty and HFC members. Primary everyone else.

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I agree with this.

Tom Price will be replaced with either a Dem who is running as a conservative, or a RINO.  No help there.

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Support Teaparty and HFC members. Primary everyone else.
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"Aetna is saying goodbye to Obamacare.

The insurance giant announced Wednesday that it would not offer policies in Nebraska or Delaware next year, completing its exit from the exchanges. Earlier this year, Aetna (AET) said it would pull out of Iowa and Virginia in 2018.

 The company said it expects to lose more than $200 million in its individual business line this year, on top of nearly $700 million in losses between 2014 and 2016. Aetna withdrew from 11 of its 15 markets for 2017. It has 255,000 Obamacare policyholders this year, down from 964,000 at the end of last year."

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wow.  maybe that's the plan - run them all off, so the gubment has to step in.

The GOP needs to get this right, but they won't because they're skeered of the crybabies on the other side. 
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Obummer was illegally funneling money to the insurance companies to prop up obummercare.  8 billion in cost sharing reduction (CSR) payments.  Those funds make up some of the losses from insuring all of these low income people for free.  

Without these CSR payments, actual cost of insurance would have gone up 250-300%, instead of the 40% per year.   Free is just not free.

Those funds were never allocated by congress.  They were never a part of any bills.  Just a program Obummer invented.   Trump took that money back to use to get the rest of the numbers on Trumpcare to work out.

Insurance companies are faced with going back to customers and telling them, here is your 150% increase for this year.   A company like Aetna has several lines of insurance and healthcare is minor compared to their other lines.  So pissing these customers off with that sort of price hike is just not in their best interest.

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Is that the money that Rubio killed, or was that something else.  I thought it was some sort of compensation to insurers to cover losses that he got rid of about a 18 months ago.


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Obummer was illegally funneling money to the insurance companies to prop up obummercare.  8 billion in cost sharing reduction (CSR) payments.  Those funds make up some of the losses from insuring all of these low income people for free.  

Without these CSR payments, actual cost of insurance would have gone up 250-300%, instead of the 40% per year.   Free is just not free.

Those funds were never allocated by congress.  They were never a part of any bills.  Just a program Obummer invented.   Trump took that money back to use to get the rest of the numbers on Trumpcare to work out.

Insurance companies are faced with going back to customers and telling them, here is your 150% increase for this year.   A company like Aetna has several lines of insurance and healthcare is minor compared to their other lines.  So pissing these customers off with that sort of price hike is just not in their best interest.
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Is that the money that Rubio killed, or was that something else.  I thought it was some sort of compensation to insurers to cover losses that he got rid of about a 18 months ago.



I believe that is the money Rubio had a bill to kill.  

It was not there in the first round of obummer care, or any other round.  That is the point.  

Obmacare law passed.  About 8 months into implementation, obummer asked the insurance companies to forward their rate tables.  In the letter it said something about 'so they could approve them'.   It really took them that long into it to realize they had just prostrated themselves and the American people to be completely taken advantage of by the insurance companies.  

So the insurance companies used legal maneuverings inquiring about this "approval" process.  What was the regulatory apparatus, how was it to work.  Feds did not even have Insurance Commission, those were all run by the states.  So this 'work' fell to Medicare, under their management of payments area.  Obummer realized he had to tie it to something to get the insurance companies to play along.   So Medicare payments area was very convenient.

First round of rates was like 400% increase over the first year.  Obama was smart enough to realize they would storm his castle if he did that.  So he stole 8 billion from Medicare slush, and asked the insurance companies to spread their introduction of this 400% worth of pain over a number of years, something like 10.  So you should get like 40% increase, every year as you pickup coverage of zero dollar losers that are getting free healthcare.   Problem has been that normal insruance costs were growing at 8%, that has now rocketed ot 15%.  So that 40% is more like 55%, every year.  And they are still not catching up to the cost curve, there is no end in sight right now.


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Rubio went after the risk corridor payments that exceeded what came in from insurers that made money. People thought the risk corridors would net to zero, however insurers racked up huge losses by purposely underpricing plans to get marketshare and there wasn't nearly enough coming in from profitable insurers to offset it. Risk corridors and reinsurance were temporary measures to cover insurers through the uncertainty of the first 3 years and both expired after last year.

Cost sharing reductions (CSRs) are an additional subsidy to lower out-of-pocket costs. From https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/cost-sharing-reduction/:

A discount that lowers the amount you have to pay for deductibles, copayments, and coinsurance. In the Health Insurance Marketplace, cost-sharing reductions are often called “extra savings.” If you qualify, you must enroll in a plan in the Silver category to get the extra savings.

  • When you fill out a Marketplace application, you’ll find out if you qualify for premium tax credits and extra savings. You can use a premium tax credit for a plan in any metal category. But if you qualify for extra savings too, you’ll get those savings only if you pick a Silver plan.
  • If you qualify for cost-sharing reductions, you also have a lower out-of-pocket maximum — the total amount you’d have to pay for covered medical services per year. When you reach your out-of-pocket maximum, your insurance plan covers 100% of all covered services.
  • If you're a member of a federally recognized tribe or an Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) Corporation shareholder, you may qualify for additional cost-sharing reductions.


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BTW, Trump has been making the CSR payments. He tried to use them as a negotiating chip in the spending bill, but backed off and all indications are he'll continue making them. 

CSRs have an indirect effect on premiums and discontinuing them would lead to premium increases that might wipe out the savings. This article covers and explains it - http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-101-cost-sharing-reductions-20170425-story.html
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