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uwApoligist

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BTW, Trump has been making the CSR payments. He tried to use them as a negotiating chip in the spending bill, but backed off and all indications are he'll continue making them. 

CSRs have an indirect effect on premiums and discontinuing them would lead to premium increases that might wipe out the savings. This article covers and explains it - http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-101-cost-sharing-reductions-20170425-story.html

yes, he has been making them.  He threatened to stop, but it immediately became apparent that it would result in a complete shutdown in the American insurance marketplace.  It is sort of hard, because the insurance industry is built on 100 years of being great at making large amounts of noise, and using regulator structures to prop up your profit margins.  They have the best lobbyists.  So even before you have a coherent thought about doing something that hurts them you get hit by 10 press articles and 20 high power pols warning how you are killing that industry.  So you gotta sometimes dig in and let them make tons of noise, to see if they are serious about shutting down.  On CSRs they definitely were.

Trump did steal the CSR money to prop up the TrumpCare in the house.  That was what got the last 2 holdouts from the HFC to come on board.

And you are correct.  Rubio was after the risk corridor slush fund.  

Honestly, medicare has gotten so out of hand.  It is a total wreck.  Slush money running everywhere.   It is massive now.  They have created so many focuses and ways for money to run out of there.  No way that does not go the way of Freddie/Fannie or past SS collapses.  Taxpayers will get to bail that out as well.





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Trump did steal the CSR money to prop up the TrumpCare in the house.  That was what got the last 2 holdouts from the HFC to come on board.

How did Trump "steal the CSR money" that was never appropriated? #Trumpieganda
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How did Trump "steal the CSR money" that was never appropriated? #Trumpieganda

You clearly missed a lot of the obama administration.  

They created an 8 billion dollar fund in Medicare.  That money arrives in an account through kickbacks from healthcare companies.  If Medicare buys $1B in services from a healthcare provider, then ask for X% discount.  They are using that money to fund the CSR payments.

During the final round of negotiations Trump committed to using that money to offset costs of insuring people with preexisting conditions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/us/politics/gop-eyes-8-billion-addition-to-win-a-crucial-vote-to-the-latest-health-bill.html

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CRS or CSR?
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CRS or CSR?

House freedom caucus felt shifting the money from offsetting cost of insurance for poor to offsetting cost of covering persons with preexisting conditions was more conservative.

In their defense, it seems to favor offsetting costs of preexisting helps people that are working, find themselves between jobs, when they get new insurance they have a existing condition, this helps them get coverage.

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You clearly missed a lot of the obama administration. (typical Trumpie BS)

They created an 8 billion dollar fund in Medicare.  That money arrives in an account through kickbacks from healthcare companies.  If Medicare buys $1B in services from a healthcare provider, then ask for X% discount.  They are using that money to fund the CSR payments.

During the final round of negotiations Trump committed to using that money to offset costs of insuring people with preexisting conditions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/us/politics/gop-eyes-8-billion-addition-to-win-a-crucial-vote-to-the-latest-health-bill.html

You post a lot of crap that you don't back up with credible sources.

I don't know where you got the CSR funding coming from a Medicare rebate/kickback scheme. Senate reporting is CSR being paid from same acct as premium tax credits - https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/court-strikes-down-obamacare-payments.

When Congress declined to appropriate money for the section 1402 payments, the administration changed its interpretation of the law. In an attempt to save Obamacare, Treasury began paying the cost-sharing reductions of section 1402 to insurers out of the permanent appropriation for Section 1401.

I followed the AHCA bill much closer than you did, so I'm well aware of the last $8B kicked in for people that needed help paying higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions. Your article doesn't back your claim of the $8B coming from CSR funding. My belief is it's coming out of the original $337B savings like all the other spending increases.
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You post a lot of crap that you don't back up with credible sources.

I don't know where you got the CSR funding coming from a Medicare rebate/kickback scheme. Senate reporting is CSR being paid from same acct as premium tax credits - https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/court-strikes-down-obamacare-payments.

When Congress declined to appropriate money for the section 1402 payments, the administration changed its interpretation of the law. In an attempt to save Obamacare, Treasury began paying the cost-sharing reductions of section 1402 to insurers out of the permanent appropriation for Section 1401.

I followed the AHCA bill much closer than you did, so I'm well aware of the last $8B kicked in for people that needed help paying higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions. Your article doesn't back your claim of the $8B coming from CSR funding. My belief is it's coming out of the original $337B savings like all the other spending increases.

Savings, kicked back, same thing.  Coming from existing slush within the Medicare system.  Obama admin turned everything into slush and then used the slush how they wanted.

Latest, 5/11.  Trump pulled a fast one on the dems.  In the year-end spending bill passed last month that funded the government.  Dems were hoping to include CSR in that spending bill.  Before the bill finalized, Trump agreed to pay the CSR payments, so they were dropped from the year-end spending bill.  Turns out,that puts it all back in Trumps hands to decide if and when CSR payments go out.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/332953-trump-threatens-to-stop-obamacare-payments

There is another article that definitely stated that the CSR payments was the source for the $8B, which in the house bill, was being put to defraying the costs of insuring people with pre existing conditions.


 

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It's cute how DuwAy thinks Obama raised money to pay CSRs. lol

Readers note DuwAy still hasn't provided supporting material for either of his claims.
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You post a lot of crap that you don't back up with credible sources .


Pretty much could have stopped your post here. Throw in a little contradiction and unabashed Trump loving and it pretty much sums up his time here.
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Pretty much could have stopped your post here. Throw in a little contradiction and unabashed Trump loving and it pretty much sums up his time here.

#butthurt

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#factshurt
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#factshurt

#butthurtfacts

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