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uwApoligist

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I see UWa already got the memo.


What memo?  Side A wants shorter extension.  Side B wants longer extension.  Why is one over the other better?

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More importantly which one of those options reduces government spending?  Answer: Neither one.
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What memo?  Side A wants shorter extension.  Side B wants longer extension.  Why is one over the other better?


I saw an aide to Schumer saying that this short term extension gives them leverage to push through some other priority of theirs at year end.  That's why Ryan wanted 18 months.

trump cut their knees off by caving right away, and jumping in with the Dems.  Now, we'll get to do it again in 3 months.

If it passes Congress, that is.
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Savage was brutal to Trump on this. Means it will come back up before the midterms. Also predicted his tax plan will have no cuts for the middle class.
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It remains to be seen. The establishment will eat their own before giving up political, or economic power.
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It can't have any tax cuts for anyone right now.  $20T in debt and spending like drunken marxists. 

I am not sure America buys into controlling spending use the debt ceiling fight.  Hopefully at some point someone realizes that the way we control spending is by fuc*ing controlling spending, i.e. not spending as much.

But yeah, capitulating and not getting anything.  Either Trump is fed up with repubos and throwing in the towel, or he thinks this is a way to get repubos fighting with dems and not spending so much time under cutting Trump.  It is not typical Trump. 

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It remains to be seen. The establishment will eat their own before giving up political, or economic power.


Yessir. Love it. McConnell and Ryan and the gop rino careerists have been F'n Trump over since day 1. This deal, the daca non-deal, it's all a sh1tshow revealing the pigs at the trough.

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Well, lets try across the board 10% spending cuts, and 10% across the board tax cuts for everyone that pays taxes, including business.
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He ran on tax cuts - or is that a literal vs seriously thing?

Tax cuts along with spending cuts would juice the economy
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How would spending cuts 'juice the economy'?
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How would spending cuts 'juice the economy'?


This is clearly a concept that is completely foreign to leftists.

The economy has a finite amount of capital flowing through it, notwithstanding foreign trade deficits/surpluses.  When you cut federal spending, you allow more capital to flow into the private sector which can be put to much better use than funding a fat-ass bureaucrats' pension.
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How would spending cuts 'juice the economy'?


If you have to ask...

It's the tax cuts more than the spending cuts - imo you can't have one without the other. Good job just mentioning one of them though.

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It was the one I questioned. Tax cuts will put more money in the hands of common people. That's assuming you don't give them all to the ultra rich like Trump wants to do. Less money available for public projects doesn't sound like a way to stimulate the economy. Excuse me for not being blinded by the light of trickle down economics. You didn't explain how less government spending juices the economy.
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They (Leftist) live in this alternate universe where the Central Government, and not private enterprise actually produces money. Here is a clue, Government confiscates money, and doles most of it out to entitlement programs, and spends most of the remaining on national defense, and pork projects to House Districts.
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"Democrats believe kicking the debt limit debate into December would increase their leverage on Republicans to secure stabilization funds for health-care markets and resolve the legal status of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children."
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It was the one I questioned. Tax cuts will put more money in the hands of common people. That's assuming you don't give them all to the ultra rich like Trump wants to do. Less money available for public projects doesn't sound like a way to stimulate the economy. Excuse me for not being blinded by the light of trickle down economics. You didn't explain how less government spending juices the economy.


Pretty clearly explained imo you can't have one without the other. The days of unrequited spending have to end.
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It's not the Government's, nor Liberal's money. You didn't earn it. It's not yours to spend as you see fit Socialists.
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It was the one I questioned. Tax cuts will put more money in the hands of common people. That's assuming you don't give them all to the ultra rich like Trump wants to do. Less money available for public projects doesn't sound like a way to stimulate the economy. Excuse me for not being blinded by the light of trickle down economics. You didn't explain how less government spending juices the economy.

Debt is killing us.   It means we can offer 20% less in services to poor and needy.  Every year the debt goes up, that 20% number goes up.  Soon it will be 30% then 40% less. 

Reducing the size of the government cut waste.  It enables our business sector to get rolling by unburdening them from needless tax payments and needless regulation.  That will plow money back into investing, which will then create jobs.  Everyone wins.


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"Maybe I am a Democrat" - Trump, any day now

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Fresh

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Let me put this a different way. I thought by initiating tax cuts, more money was available to buy goods and services, raising the tax base and pouring more money into government coffers for infrastructure, highways, schools.......projects that put more people to work, generating more tax money and the economy is benefitted. If the government has the self control they can also pay down the deficit. Applying the tax cuts to the working class puts the money more directly into the system. While providing tax cuts to the rich(they will invest since they don't need it to live) tends to add to financial institutions having more money to loan out, it is not as direct. If you just collect more taxes and cut spending, the resulting paydown of the deficit, with no direct infusion of money into the economy won't complete the circle. It takes both. 
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Trump is a great President!

Ryan and McConnell are jokes...........Oh, and crooks!
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Trump talks “Chuck and Nancy.” After dropping the bomb on GOP leaders at the White House, the President then headed to Air Force One, where he flew to North Dakota for a speech on tax reform. Before taking off, the President quickly spoke to reporters, and professed himself very pleased with the outcome. “We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer,” the President said to reporters, never mentioning that Speaker Ryan and Senate Majority Leader McConnell had been in the room as well. When talking about DACA, the President did the same thing: “Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen, and so do I.” Nothing about how many GOP conservatives are opposed to the idea of doing something on DACA. I’m not saying Trump is turning into a Democrat. But this was not what conservatives were thinking at breakfast on Wednesday.
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He's using his simplistic tactic of fawning over his enemies in an attempt to sway them to his way of thinking. I'm surprised he didn't have a beautiful piece of chocolate cake brought in for he and the dems to share. It doesn't work on world leaders and as soon as Nancy and Chuck have their way with him......it won't work on them. What a narcissistic, self indulgent moron.
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He's using his simplistic tactic of fawning over his enemies in an attempt to sway them to his way of thinking. I'm surprised he didn't have a beautiful piece of chocolate cake brought in for he and the dems to share. It doesn't work on world leaders and as soon as Nancy and Chuck have their way with him......it won't work on them. What a narcissistic, self indulgent moron.


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Those who voted for Trump are getting what those who didn't vote for Trump thought you would get.  Even Ted Cruz predicted Trump would do a deal with the Democrats.

Obamacare is in tact.
Amnesty has been extended.
Debt ceiling will be raised.

Hillary would have and could have done all those things.
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Only better, without losing the world's respect. 
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Only better, without losing the world's respect. 


Who cares about what the rest of the world thinks?

Trump has greatly improved our relations with Israel and the rest of the countries that Obama kissed up to still don't respect us because of that.


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Now we're back to status quo.
I would hope that respect from the rest of the world would be of importance to anyone. How do we influence other nations to see our viewpoint if our leaders are whack? We need other nations to continue our mission to rein in Nkorea, Russia, Iran, Pakistan.........add infinitum.

Is this 'bashing'?
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Only better, without losing the world's respect. 


Because they respected her so much as the SOS?

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Those who voted for Trump are getting what those who didn't vote for Trump thought you would get.  Even Ted Cruz predicted Trump would do a deal with the Democrats.

Obamacare is in tact.
Amnesty has been extended.
Debt ceiling will be raised.

Hillary would have and could have done all those things.


Yes sir
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