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About 2 hours ago, Trump, Ryan, McConnell, Schumer, and Pelosi met in White House about differing proposals for raising debt ceiling/Harvey funding/DaCA. This morning McConnell just laughed when asked about the Dem proposal and Ryan called it "a ridiculous idea." Well, Trump sided with the Dems in short order. Never forget, his #1 motivation in life has always been Revenge. Will never change. I can't wait for the missiles coming from breitbart. Here is a link to the FoxNews story about this. Then a sampling of quotes and tweets.  


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/06/trump-strikes-deal-with-dems-on-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-over-ryan-s-objections.html


Reaction from pissed off conservatives / Republicans (first 3 below)

-In the last 24 hours, Trump basically announced he was gonna cave on DACA & backed Pelosi, Schumer over Ryan, McConnell on gov't funding.
- Imagine if you're Paul Ryan. At 10a media asks for his reaction to Dems proposal on debt ceiling/Harvey funding/DACA and he called it a "ridiculous idea." A few hours later his party's president agreed to exactly what the Dems wanted.
-Art of the Deal, updated: When your counterparts make an opening bid, accept all their terms immediately and go to North Dakota. The end.

Selection of other headlines and tweets:

- Just in: Dems and Trump reach agreement on Harvey aid, continuing resolution keeping gov open, and debt limit, for three months. Ryan, McConnell were also in meeting and opposed. Trump sided with Dems.
-President Donald Trump on Wednesday broke with his party and agreed to back a short-term debt ceiling extension.
-GOP House members and Senators are furious.
-Trump tells reporters on AF1 “We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer" -- doesn't even mention Ryan, McConnell
-Trump says he thinks Congress wants to take care of Dreamers. "Chuck and Nancy want to see something happen and so do I," he tells press on AF1.
- Oh it's "Chuck and Nancy" now, huh. No clever, mean girl nicknames today, Donald?


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Put this in the category of "Headlines No One Expected to See Today"


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Good for Trump...........

Ryan needs to go home............
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This is not a Republican Administration.  This is a Trump Administration whatever that ultimately means.  GOP is still scrambling for signifcant wins.  Infrastructure will be another GOP uphill battle.

Democrats won Senate seats in 2016 and it helped them stop the repeal of Obamacare.  Democrats hope to win more seats in 2018.

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If this continues.......they will.
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Not enough liberal voters, anymore........

Most are Trump voters.........
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This is not a Republican Administration.  This is a Trump Administration whatever that ultimately means.  GOP is still scrambling for signifcant wins.  Infrastructure will be another GOP uphill battle.

Democrats won Senate seats in 2016 and it helped them stop the repeal of Obamacare.  Democrats hope to win more seats in 2018.


The Democratic Caucus must defend 25 seats while the GOP must only defend 8 - almost the reverse of 2016.  As of today, only Nevada seems to be in play.  On the dem side, tossups in IN, Missouri and West Va. 



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Not enough liberal voters, anymore........

Most are Trump voters.........



Yeah right. You should get out of your bubble. 


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538 was a absolute blast on election night.  They were doing their live blog.  Funniest crap you have ever seen.  Frantic arm waving explanations of how their polls missed the whole thing.  
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The Democratic Caucus must defend 25 seats while the GOP must only defend 8 - almost the reverse of 2016.  As of today, only Nevada seems to be in play.  On the dem side, tossups in IN, Missouri and West Va. 




In general, I agree that it will be very difficult for Dems to gain much in the Senate in 2018 because of what you posted. Manchin is very popular in WV and I think he will win. I think McCaskill probably will also, but not certain. IN and MT vulnerable. 

In addition to Heller in NV, Flake is vulnerable in AZ. McCain's seat will probably be up as well. Dems could get 1 in AZ.  But GOP needed to gain several to prevent losing Senate in 2020. Don't think it will change much in 2018.

But there will be a wave of new Dems in the House. Little doubt in my mind Dems will control the House after 2018 elections. 




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Generic congressional vote?  That's about as important as the popular vote in a national election.

If you are not going to contribute anything of substance, best not to post at all.

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Yeah right. You should get out of your bubble. 


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A) To small of sample


B) Over sample of democrats

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Little doubt in my mind Dems will control the House after 2018 elections.



[rofl]   [rofl]
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538 was a absolute blast on election night.  They were doing their live blog.  Funniest crap you have ever seen.  Frantic arm waving explanations of how their polls missed the whole thing.  



Dude, you can choose whatever poll or service you wish. NONE look good for Trump and the GOP. That 538 graph is a simple average of all the approval polls. Their podcasts are a hoot though, I agree. A bunch of stats nerds. 

But your assessment that they "missed the whole thing" is wrong. The POLLS in the Midwest missed badly, no doubt. I think that was due to massive, unprecedented turn out by Trump's base in those states. But Nate Silver said over and over the last month of the election that Trump winning was very realistic. Liberals were furious at him. His final model showed Trump with a 27% chance to win, with the caveat that if his voters turned out big he could win. 

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[rofl]   [rofl]



This from the guy who posted "most are Trump voters". Yeah I bet they are where you live, and all the people you talk to daily.  I bet you had no idea how President Obama won with over half the votes of all Americans ... TWICE. And I bet you are confused about where are those 66 million people who voted for Hillary. I can just hear you now. "I ain't never met nobody that would vote for them, except blacks"

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A) To small of sample


B) Over sample of democrats



LOL. There ya go. And climate change is a hoax. And the pizza place was a pedophile ring. And no kids were really killed in Newtown. 

The polls were off in the 2016 presidential election for sure (by about 2 points). Add those points if it makes you feel better. 

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In general, I agree that it will be very difficult for Dems to gain much in the Senate in 2018 because of what you posted. Manchin is very popular in WV and I think he will win. I think McCaskill probably will also, but not certain. IN and MT vulnerable. 

In addition to Heller in NV, Flake is vulnerable in AZ. McCain's seat will probably be up as well. Dems could get 1 in AZ.  But GOP needed to gain several to prevent losing Senate in 2020. Don't think it will change much in 2018.

But there will be a wave of new Dems in the House. Little doubt in my mind Dems will control the House after 2018 elections. 





I would say Flake is vulnerable in the primaries, but not in the general.

According to 20towin, Dems would need to sweep almost all the races not solidly GOP.  Would be extremely hard to do.

https://www.270towin.com/2018-house-election/

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538 was a absolute blast on election night.  They were doing their live blog.  Funniest crap you have ever seen.  Frantic arm waving explanations of how their polls missed the whole thing.  




My posting of polls was just a reply to a post. What are your thoughts about Trump making a deal with Pelosi and Schumer in defiance of McConnell and Ryan. The deal is clearly in Dems favor strategically. 

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LOL. There ya go. And climate change is a hoax. And the pizza place was a pedophile ring. And no kids were really killed in Newtown. 

The polls were off in the 2016 presidential election for sure (by about 2 points). Add those points if it makes you feel better. 




Sampling = 9/ten thousandths of registered voters


Been many years since I took statistical analysis, but I would have failed any project with such a small sample size.

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I would say Flake is vulnerable in the primaries, but not in the general.

According to 20towin, Dems would need to sweep almost all the races not solidly GOP.  Would be extremely hard to do.

https://www.270towin.com/2018-house-election/



Dems are not gonna control Senate in 2018, agree.  But don't sleep on possibility Dem could win that seat in general. Liberals and Latino anger there is big time. If Flake is the nominee, the Trump base will be meh. If someone else is, that's not gonna be a great candidate. 



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Sampling = 9/ten thousandths of registered voters


Been many years since I took statistical analysis, but I would have failed any project with such a small sample size.



Ok, Americans love Trump.  Is that better?   [thumb]

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Dude, you can choose whatever poll or service you wish. NONE look good for Trump and the GOP. That 538 graph is a simple average of all the approval polls. Their podcasts are a hoot though, I agree. A bunch of stats nerds. 

But your assessment that they "missed the whole thing" is wrong. The POLLS in the Midwest missed badly, no doubt. I think that was due to massive, unprecedented turn out by Trump's base in those states. But Nate Silver said over and over the last month of the election that Trump winning was very realistic. Liberals were furious at him. His final model showed Trump with a 27% chance to win, with the caveat that if his voters turned out big he could win. 

He did not.  He said the day of the election.  Absolute guaranteed blowout for Clinton.  

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/

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My posting of polls was just a reply to a post. What are your thoughts about Trump making a deal with Pelosi and Schumer in defiance of McConnell and Ryan. The deal is clearly in Dems favor strategically. 

I think McConnell is largely a waste of oxygen.  Him and the Red Nose Drunk (Boehner) are huge part of the reason this country is such a wreck.  They found themselves constantly wanting to declare themselves a win.  Obama would straight bend them over, and they would crow about losing less than they were going to.  As long as McConnell remains around, this country is screwed.  They replace him with a Dem it would actually be better for the country at this point. 

Ryan, I am going to be way less harsh on him.  PDad seems to like him quite a bit.  Huge improvement over the red nose do nothing drunk.  Ryan seems to prefer going for a cocktail over getting actual work done.  But he is newish and does not have a long history as a leader in the house, so still willing to give him some benefit of the doubt.  

Both of them are f'ing up the Trump Presidency for now apparent reason.  If they were smart they would be sitting down with Trump, using Trump as the mouth piece/punching bag, and getting conservative crap done.  Tax Reduction, unwind odummer care, get Americans working again.   They seem more interested in being in the Washington bubble with their friends. 





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Ok, Americans love Trump.  Is that better?   [thumb]

that works!  Now if you could login as Fresh and approve your comment, that would be perfect. 

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As far as the actual deal.  I am not even sure what deal really means.  

The Harvey funding needs to get passed.  Holding that off for anything made no sense.

As far as shorter term debt extension vs the longer term debt extension, not really sure what the difference is.  We just need to get our spending down.  No one seems to be working on that part.


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Ok, Americans love Trump.  Is that better?   [thumb]




You're not very smart are you?

Never said that, you just can't read poll data. Guess you better get some tutoring from that strap-on wearing future daughter in law that works at Brookings to explain statistics to you, oh wait........That's you

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This is not a Republican Administration.  This is a Trump Administration whatever that ultimately means.  GOP is still scrambling for signifcant wins.  Infrastructure will be another GOP uphill battle.

Democrats won Senate seats in 2016 and it helped them stop the repeal of Obamacare.  Democrats hope to win more seats in 2018.


Many of the conservatives in here did not vote for Trump for this very reason.  However, to think that the Democrats can win seats when they still have no vision for this country is a pipe dream.
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I was wondering what sort of spin Hannity would put on this tonight.  But, him Ingraham, Tomi, Newt, Dobbs and the gang will find some way to spin it into a Ryan/McConnell are horrible people failure.

I see UWa already got the memo.

pabar - do you think GOPers will be motivated to go vote mid terms?  I think the enthusiasm is lacking.

I also think Dems should be careful - trump might turn into the best Dem POTUS they ever had to work with.
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Well put.


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Well it certainly isn't settled science yet either, is it?
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