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Dewey

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PDad - I guess I get no examples, just accusations.  In any event, I saw a lots of video on the troubles in Costa Mesa.  Not sure what your are talking about unless this is another shot at MSNBC.  Did they avoid it?

Edit:  Yes, violence by protesters is more than stupid.  Not constructive in any way.
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My opposition to trump is well documented here.  That said, he has every right to say things that I don't agree with, just like I have every right to call him a clown.

These violent protests are deplorable, and need to stop.  I would have no issue with heavy-handed police enforcement.
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PDad - I guess I get no examples, just accusations. (The readers see I provided a link to many of your posts that treated UCS Consersatives as a homogenuous monolith) In any event, I saw a lots of video on the troubles in Costa Mesa.  Not sure what your are talking about unless this is another shot at MSNBC.  Did they avoid it?

The "troubles" got lots of coverage on our local stations. I checked the cable stations at 8:00am and MSNBC had nothing, CNN had a minor mention and Fox News covered it. I googled it and many MSM sources didn't cover the unlawful activity.
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PDad, I saw coverage on MSNBC (I'm pretty sure) last night.  A guy bloodied up getting his head bandaged.  And it's the #1 story on the msnbc.com front page right now.  I've seen lots of news on it.
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PDad, I saw coverage on MSNBC (I'm pretty sure) last night. (OK, as long as you're pretty sure) A guy bloodied up getting his head bandaged.  And it's the #1 story on the msnbc.com front page right now.  I've seen lots of news on it.

Today's protest is the #1 story on the MSNBC page. It contains a blurb at the end about last night that is vague about whom committed the deplorable actions and some readers probably assume Trump supporters were the culprits based on reporting of previous events. Video clips of the mob's actions last night would be running every hour if it were Trump supporters.

One night earlier police arrested 17 people outside a Trump rally in Costa Mesa, California, south of Los Angeles. It was the worst violence associated with a Trump rally since his cancellation of a campaign event in Chicago.

In Costa Mesa, members of the crowd broke the windows of a police car and tried to flip the vehicle over. Five police vehicles in all were damaged, police said. A man identified as a Trump supporter was seen bleeding from a head injury after a confrontation with members of the crowd.

One Costa Mesa police officer was struck in the head by a rock thrown by a person identified as a protester; the officer was protected by his helmet.

Costa Mesa police on Friday identified those arrested Thursday. Most were between the ages of 18 and their early 20s, police said. 

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PDad - I guess I get no examples, just accusations.

I provided a link to examples and you've already revealed your defense (i.e. didn't mean all when didn't qualify it), so I'm not going to waste time picking the best example among the 143 posts. 

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UCS Conservatives:  We warn of civil war and Dewey scares readers by suggesting we actually mean it.
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Bring on the PC Pajama Boy Brigade. See what happens when spoiled children threaten grown men defending their political rights, and their country and family's future. I can only assume this is what the DNC, Soros, and the Leftist media is wanting and is crafting for this summer. If so, then bring it and see what happens.
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bluedog

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Woody said.....

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 See what happens when spoiled children threaten grown men defending their political rights, and their country and family's future.


Woody, I side with you.......If it takes conflict, then, let it be conflict......Our Government and police forces seem to have already stepped aside......

What a great example of why we must never let our Government take away our firearms......The time we may need them is looking pretty near, IMO.........The scurge of illegal immigration must be purged from America........And, the time is here to do it!
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Mexican gangs inciting riots and violence in America being allowed is something I never thought I'd see.......But, then, I never thought I'd see sanctuary cities, either.........

Also, never thought I'd see Muslim communities ruling themselves with sharia law and police staying away from.......

We have Mayors and State Attorney Generals all over America prosecuting policemen and supporting criminals in courts........

Anyone comparing this stuff to the hippie demonstrations in the early seventies is someone who is just downright lying and supporting the downfall of America.......They're lulled by their stupidity and are trying to lull others into their fog of ignorance.....These people who do this are dangerous and need to be exposed......

We better get someone in the White House who has the strength and courage to put a stop to these invaders who are savaging our country.......This cancer is rapidly spreading and is the head of the snake which will bring us down as a nation.......

So, whether it's Cruz or Trump, putting an end to the illegal immigration cancer had better be the number one priority, or the others won't matter........

If it's Hillary, we'll need to start looking at our civilian defense system that Woody talks about.......Our policemen are hand-cuffed, so, we'll have to take matters in our own hands......This stuff is becoming very real........ 
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scary stuff blue, because you finally authored a post I agree with.
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scary stuff blue, because you finally authored a post I agree with.


Agreed.

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Mike, you, along with many others, don't understand me.....

Trump stands for much I don't agree with.........I can say the same for every politician ever........And, contrary to what some say, Trump is a politician and has always been one......

I don't put my faith in any human.......I know better than to do that.......And, if Trump is elected, I have no doubt he will support some things which will damage our country.......And, frankly, how effective Trump will be at getting stuff done, I don't know.......

What I do know is this, Mike.......I've heard Trump say many times that he's gonna attack the illegal immigrant travesty.......And, I'll say it again, if that doesn't get corrected, and very soon, the rest won't matter.......

Now, this attack must include cleaning out the drug gangs and stop the flow of drugs.......And, I hear Trump talking about doing this, also........

All I'm hearing from Cruz is "conservative values"......That's the same I heard from McCain and Romney......And, I can assure you, Mike, that will no longer get you elected in this country.......I have yet to see a "conservative values" politician be successful in doing anything to seal and protect our borders and to clean-out the drug gangs from our country.......They took over Mexico and they're doing the same to us right now.....

Muslim communities are popping up all over in America......They're infiltrating our local Governments with an under-the-radar movement.......That's the mode of operation they've been doing for centuries.......I've heard Trump say he's gonna stop their infiltration of America.......

Mike, I know there are many other issues we need to address that are terribly damaging our country......But, we better prioritize.......And, we better make keeping America American the number one priority........

I love Mexican people as well as Arabs.......I don't consider them to be any different than me with one exception........I question that they're coming here with the thought and ambition to change America........ 

 


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Mike, you, along with many others, don't understand me.....

Trump stands for much I don't agree with.........I can say the same for every politician ever........And, contrary to what some say, Trump is a politician and has always been one......

I don't put my faith in any human.......I know better than to do that.......And, if Trump is elected, I have no doubt he will support some things which will damage our country.......And, frankly, how effective Trump will be at getting stuff done, I don't know.......

What I do know is this, Mike.......I've heard Trump say many times that he's gonna attack the illegal immigrant travesty.......And, I'll say it again, if that doesn't get corrected, and very soon, the rest won't matter.......

Now, this attack must include cleaning out the drug gangs and stop the flow of drugs.......And, I hear Trump talking about doing this, also........

All I'm hearing from Cruz is "conservative values"......That's the same I heard from McCain and Romney......And, I can assure you, Mike, that will no longer get you elected in this country.......There are enough voters just like me in this regard that are too sick and tired of hearing the same old nonsense with no results to keep them from being elected.....I have yet to see a "conservative values" politician be successful in doing anything to seal and protect our borders and to clean-out the drug gangs from our country.......They took over Mexico and they're doing the same to us right now...... 

Muslim communities are popping up all over in America......They're infiltrating our local Governments with an under-the-radar movement.......That's the mode of operation they've been doing for centuries.......I've heard Trump say he's gonna stop their infiltration of America.......

Mike, I know there are many other issues we need to address that are terribly damaging our country......But, we better prioritize.......And, we better make keeping America American the number one priority........

I love Mexican people as well as Arabs.......I don't consider them to be any different than me with one exception........I question that they're coming here with the thought and ambition to change America........

Now, in the Bible, people are all one and the same.......But, nations are not......Keeping our nation with ideals that keeps IT inhabitable for us, as Americans, is a responsibility we must not neglect.....This is Biblical......    

 


EarlyGrayce

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Blue that all sounds accurate to me. However, when you try to tie it to that fable called the bible, it loses some focus for me, but I suppose that each person's personal belief system for why we need to fix this country isn't the issue, the job of fixing this mess is. Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by bluedog
Mexican gangs inciting riots and violence in America being allowed is something I never thought I'd see.......But, then, I never thought I'd see sanctuary cities, either.........

Also, never thought I'd see Muslim communities ruling themselves with sharia law and police staying away from.......

We have Mayors and State Attorney Generals all over America prosecuting policemen and supporting criminals in courts........

Anyone comparing this stuff to the hippie demonstrations in the early seventies is someone who is just downright lying and supporting the downfall of America.......They're lulled by their stupidity and are trying to lull others into their fog of ignorance.....These people who do this are dangerous and need to be exposed......

We better get someone in the White House who has the strength and courage to put a stop to these invaders who are savaging our country.......This cancer is rapidly spreading and is the head of the snake which will bring us down as a nation.......

So, whether it's Cruz or Trump, putting an end to the illegal immigration cancer had better be the number one priority, or the others won't matter........

If it's Hillary, we'll need to start looking at our civilian defense system that Woody talks about.......Our policemen are hand-cuffed, so, we'll have to take matters in our own hands......This stuff is becoming very real........ 


Nailed.  Waiting for the contrarian to rebutt, it'll be a good one

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If Trump becomes the nominee, and were to win the election, how does our government strictly enforce existing immigration laws as he proposes?

If we were to start deportations of illegals caught crossing the border, and shut down the invasion, that is just a baby step. Next comes the removal of large numbers of illegals, and this will take some very strategic planning. It isn't enough to just start rounding up people, if deportation of all illegals is the actual goal. It will have to be a combination of tools to accomplish such a goal. I think we have many different subgroups of people violating our nations immigration and travel policies, and each represents a different challenge, and a different response to dealing with the problem. Here an outline of actions I could see being attempted.

1) Shut down the border with National Guard Troops. Assemble border violators in temporary facilities, photograph and fingerprint them, and immediately repatriate them. If you catch a bad guy, arrest that person, and hold them in Federal Prison without bail until they are prosecuted by a Federal Court, or Deported.

2) Require that each and every employee AND subcontract employees be cleared by the E-Verify program. Vigorously enforce a zero tolerance policy and heavily fine employers that violate hiring laws. Zero Tolerance. This is in my view is probably the easiest way to have a large impact on illegal immigration, and forces illegals already here to self deport. No job, no money to live here.

3) Vigorously track and remove Visa violators. This will be the most difficult, but not impossible. Millions of people have overstayed travel Visas. If you overstay your Travel Visa in Mexico for example, you are located, held in custody until either an extension is granted, or you are removed from the country. Student Visas are often violated when the student drops out of school, and don't leave the country. Graduating students often stay here because there are no jobs in their own country. They attempt to get Work Visas, and take the job of an American at a lower wage. American companies that use work Visas should be strictly limited in the number of Foreign Workers they can bring into the country. See what the Saudis and the UAE do with the low payed Foreign Labor they use to build hotels once projects are completed, or the economy slumps. They round them all up and deport them. They don't allow foreigners to live illegally in their nations and live off of their State Social Programs.

4) Limit the ability of Foreign Nationals to have bank accounts, and receive loans and mortgages for real estate. I am talking about stopping illegals from owning homes in the US. I am not discouraging Foreign investment from qualified individuals and companies. In the past, if you were a small business and wanted to open a company in Mexico, the company had to have majority ownership by a Mexican National. If you allow illegal aliens to have individual bank accounts, you enable them to violate our immigration laws.

5) Ban money transfers from those workers here illegally to their home nations. Stop the money flowing out of our economy and into foreign countries.

These are just raw ideals, for a multi pronged strategy to enforce our immigration policies. Any other constructive ideals to stop illegal immigration and remove illegal immigrants from our nation?




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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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If the next POTUS directs as many resources to getting rid of the illegals as Obama has spent getting them here, most will be gone in very short order.

Instead of paying teams of high-priced DC lawyers to concoct flimsy arguments to circumvent the law, use that same money to pay law enforcement to actually enforce the law.

Adios, freeloaders!

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Stop businesses from hiring the undocumented and the problem goes away.  Unfortunately, neither political party is interested in doing so.  The House GOP could put forward legislation today putting teeth into the penalties applied to businesses who ignore the law.  Business will be angry at such a move so Republicans are holding back.  It's not rocket science.

Edit:  FIB, how would you get rid of the undocumented in our schools and colleges?
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Here Dewey blames the GOP Congress for Obama's lax enforcement of immigration laws. Of course he does.

But he didn't blame Congress when Democrats had both houses. Of course he didn't.

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All illegal immigrants should be dealt with according the law.

Is there a law that gives illegals a free pass if they attend school?

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Hey foreigners, have we got a deal for you!

If you come to America illegally and use up our educational resources that we could have otherwise used to help real American citizens get ahead, we'll let you stay as long as you want!

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FIB, how would you get rid of the undocumented in our schools and colleges?

Just this once, share an opinion as to how you would get these undocumented out of our schools.  Or share how you would like a President Cruz or Trump to do it.  Tell the readers how you think this should be done.
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FIB, how would you get rid of the undocumented in our schools and colleges?

Just this once, share an opinion as to how you would get these undocumented out of our schools.  Or share how you would like a President Cruz or Trump to do it.  Tell the readers how you think this should be done.


I've never understood this question from you, that you often posit. Is your question predicated on your belief that we won't be able to ascertain which students are illegals? (You call it undocumented. I call it what it really is. But that's neither here nor there).
Anyway, as I am certain that our govt has the tools to ascertain which students are illegals, I would like the next president to have every illegal student immediately pulled out of the middle of a class, handcuffed in front of the other legal students, taken straight to a holding pen, and then deported.

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FIB, how would you get rid of the undocumented in our schools and colleges?

Just this once, share an opinion as to how you would get these undocumented out of our schools.  Or share how you would like a President Cruz or Trump to do it.  Tell the readers how you think this should be done.


What's wrong with you? Seriously. I just answered this.

The fact they are students has no bearing on their immigration status.

They are treated exactly like every other illegal, in accordance with the law.

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If the parents of legal immigrant students thought about this at all, they'd realize that their own "legal" immigrant children's education would benefit immensely from the withdrawal of illegal students. Which probably explains, at least in part, why many legal immigrants oppose illegal immigration. It hurts their children.

Why do Democrats want to make life harder for children of legal immigrants?

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I would like the next president to have every illegal student immediately pulled out of the middle of a class, handcuffed in front of the other legal students, taken straight to a holding pen, and then deported.


Seems like the solution to me.......
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Give them 30 days to self-deport.

After that, anyone caught earns a LIFETIME BAN on ever entering the US. As they are removed we collect all identifying information for future enforcement, from photos and fingerprints to DNA and iris scans.

LIFETIME BAN.

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FIB, how would you get rid of the undocumented in our schools and colleges?

Just this once, share an opinion as to how you would get these undocumented out of our schools.  Or share how you would like a President Cruz or Trump to do it.  Tell the readers how you think this should be done.


I've never understood this question from you, that you often posit. Is your question predicated on your belief that we won't be able to ascertain which students are illegals? (You call it undocumented. I call it what it really is. But that's neither here nor there).
Anyway, as I am certain that our govt has the tools to ascertain which students are illegals, I would like the next president to have every illegal student immediately pulled out of the middle of a class, handcuffed in front of the other legal students, taken straight to a holding pen, and then deported.


Early - I've been working my a** off for weeks trying to get one of the Conservatives in here to say this as plain as you just did.  Until now, most have refused.  Let me thank you for being frank.  I don't know why FIB wouldn't answer as you just did.

Of course I think a GOP Administration can do exactly as you describe.  I expect if Cruz or Trump win in November, they might, (actually I believe it's very likely they will), find an avenue to identify and deport school children, (including college students), by the droves.  If American voters think this is a good idea, then the GOP is your Party.  If you think finding the millions of students who are undocumented, prohibiting the continuation of their education, and beginning their deportation process is a horrible idea, then I'd highly recommend voting for the Democrat nominee in November.

PS:  I had no choice but to continue this line of questioning because some here want readers to think what you just described cannot, or will not, happen.  I totally disagree with them and I wanted readers to see there is a concerted effort, along with a firm belief, on the Right that this elimination of undocumented in our schools and colleges can and should be done sooner rather than later.  There are some on the Right who don't want this outcome you call for but it's my opinion they'll ultimately have little voice in the matter.  I say don't allow a GOP Administration the opportunity to end the education of millions of undocumented.
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Same old Dewey - fear mongering for partisan purposes even though SCOTUS has ruled it. Despicable and dishonest.
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You see Early.  Some here want readers to think it's impossible to identify and deport undocumented students.  The last thing they wanted you to tell the readers was how the undocumented can be identified and deported.  I will agree with PDad that until we deport them, they must be allowed in school.  I suspect a GOP Administration will make certain that this time in school won't be long.

Edit:  Looks like you had kir for a minute there.  He must have realized EG was right and then deleted his post.
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