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TheNarrator

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You are kinda odd. You yourself have chided people on here who pretend we all haven't agreed that trump is an orange liar. Cuz we have. He's a liar. 


It's just fun to rile up you Trumpers that claimed he was pro-choice, and chided MikeC, Pabar and myself for pointing out that he obviously wasn't.

You are odd yourself, given that you voted for one of the most pro-abortion rights Presidents ever.  Twice.
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It's just fun to rile up you Trumpers that claimed he was pro-choice, and chided MikeC, Pabar and myself for pointing out that he obviously wasn't.



In your hysteria you are getting confused. Calm yourself son.

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TheNarrator

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You are right, you guys claimed he was pro-life.  Some of us saw right through that.

Nice deflection on the Obama votes though.
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"Planned Parenthood affiliates perform about 20 abortions for every prenatal care visit and about 200 abortions for every adoption referral based on the approximately 300,000 abortions they perform each year."

Spare us. 

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/disentangling-the-data-planned-parenthood-affiliates-abortion-services

References are in this document. 


Went to that link and............surprise...............I can't make your fuzzy math work out. Well, you can show those numbers somewhere on the chart, but it's not Paul Harvey's, Rest of the Story. Over 3,000,000 contraception clients. Is contraception ok, or do you side with the catholic church on that matter? Over 4,000,000 tests and treatments for STD's. 
Keep that fake news coming.
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Went to that link and............surprise...............I can't make your fuzzy math work out. Well, you can show those numbers somewhere on the chart, but it's not Paul Harvey's, Rest of the Story. Over 3,000,000 contraception clients. Is contraception ok, or do you side with the catholic church on that matter? Over 4,000,000 tests and treatments for STD's. 
Keep that fake news coming.

I don't consider handing someone a condom a medical procedure, do you?

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uwApoligist

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I am for defunding Planned Parenthood.  I am for that because abortion is murder, the government should not forcibly be removing funds from me and forcing me to fund something I do not agree with, and additionally the government should not be involved healthcare to this level.   I also think there are enough leftist orgs that will happily pick up the slack. 

I suspect that Trump is for defunding Planned Parenthood as well.  Probably more for the reduction in size of government than the hardcore pro-life reasons.  

The problem is that right now I bet you get the same 40 supporting votes. 

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It's legal. Do you not respect the Supreme Court? If not, what do you consider the "law of the land"?
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What does legal have to do with someone's moral beliefs. And then you jump off to respecting the SC

Right down the rabbit hole

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It's legal. Do you not respect the Supreme Court? If not, what do you consider the "law of the land"?


Entering this country without going through the proper protocols is illegal.  But you liberals aren't so concerned about those laws are you?


uwApoligist

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What spazsdad said.  Plus if we could get Ginsburg to kick off, we could respect the court a whole ton more.
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One more justice and this place may have a chance at a future
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Entering this country without going through the proper protocols is illegal.  But you liberals aren't so concerned about those laws are you?





*crickets*

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How many antifa members have you ever met and/or talked to? How could you possibly know what they do for a living? Oh, I know......No, I mean 'the circle' knows these things. 'the circle' don't need no facts. 


what pain do they feel? 

they're all pissed off, but I don't think they know at what specifically, so in general it's white people, the government, and symbols of capitalism.

why?  they couldn't tell you.
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Abortions are a small part of what Planned Parenthood does. Counseling women and helping with birth control is a big part of what they do. It is a rather myopic view of PP to just see the abortion option.


counseling them on what?  whether they want to sell their chopped up baby parts or just toss them in the trash?
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Plus there are "Womens Healthcare" non profits that do all the women's health stuff that PP does but do not offer abortions.  

If you believe that abortion is immoral why not work with them? 

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You are kinda odd. You yourself have chided people on here who pretend we all haven't agreed that trump is an orange liar. Cuz we have. He's a liar. 


this is kind of funny, actually.

"we all" say he's a liar.  yet, "we all" defend every single stupid tweet, idiotic thing he does (like disclosing previously classified info), his pivot to funding liberal priorities, and now "we all" will become fans of amnesty for illegals.

I don't get it.

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Anyone still remember this?  Was going to be cancelled, first week in office.  Or not.  I suppose it's not trump's fault either.

BREAKING: U.S. to extend wide sanctions relief for Iran called for under 2015 nuclear deal
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TRUMP MAKING DEALS WITH CHUCK AND NANCY 

In the last couple weeks, Trump made a deal with Dem leaders and moderate GOP to raise the debt ceiling and now is making a deal with Dems and moderate GOP to allow amnesty for Daca program Dreamers to legally stay in the US. 

Caveat: this does not say anything about his ideology, just like his promises to his base in the campaign say nothing about his ideology. He has none. NONE. He only cares about praise and adulation and winning. If you still think he believes in the same beliefs as the right, you are sadly in denial. 

Back to my point. While Trump has been making deals with his new best buddies Nancy and Chuck and the Dems and moderate GOP, it is fascinating to see the reaction of Trump's most passionate supporters.

True Believers in the Cause - Nationalism, Extreme Immigration Stance - deport all and build a wall, CINO (Christians in name only) issues like pro-life and anti-gay and trans, no regulation of banks, no enforcement of Civil Rights laws, etc. This group includes people like Ann Coulter and Rep Steve King of Iowa and their ilk. They are furious with Trump. They feel raped and pillaged and used and they are mad as hell.

True Unconditional Lovers of Trump -
Others are showing that they will defend Trump and take up for him and blame others NO MATTER WHAT. He is the savior and any failures are because the lame congress and RINO's and Dems and the MSM just won't let him do his thing. uwApoligist is literally the definition of this crowd. It is fascinating to watch and to wonder what it will take for this group to realize he is a fraud. Or is there nothing that would do the trick?  

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Anyone still remember this?  Was going to be cancelled, first week in office.  Or not.  I suppose it's not trump's fault either.

BREAKING: U.S. to extend wide sanctions relief for Iran called for under 2015 nuclear deal



Given the real and present dangerous situation with North Korea, it would be idiotic to cancel a treaty with Iran in which they have complied and not advanced their nuclear program one bit. Before the masses argue with me, you should know that Mattis, Tillerson, McMaster, and even the nationalist wing agree with me. Only the neo-cons favor cancelling this treaty. 

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Given the real and present dangerous situation with North Korea, it would be idiotic to cancel a treaty with Iran in which they have complied and not advanced their nuclear program one bit. Before the masses argue with me, you should know that Mattis, Tillerson, McMaster, and even the nationalist wing agree with me. Only the neo-cons favor cancelling this treaty. 


SOURCES??
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Anyone still remember this?  Was going to be cancelled, first week in office.  Or not.  I suppose it's not trump's fault either.

BREAKING: U.S. to extend wide sanctions relief for Iran called for under 2015 nuclear deal


It must not have been the "worst deal ever".
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SOURCES??



If you are not capable of researching to see proof that the Secretaries of State and Defense and the NSA all are opposed to cancelling the treaty, I'm not going to help you

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Sources were just for the bolded part about them not advancing their nuclear program one bit.
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If you are not capable of researching to see proof that the Secretaries of State and Defense and the NSA all are opposed to cancelling the treaty, I'm not going to help you

True. however the question is whether Iran has fully complied with the agreement (it's not a treaty).
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Sources were just for the bolded part about them not advancing their nuclear program one bit.



The US and European countries keep tabs with sophisticated intelligence and satellite views. There is no evidence they have done any work with their program since the treaty. Plus, I trust Mattis, Tillerson, McMaster so much more than I do neo-cons and Trump

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It must not have been the "worst deal ever".

It was, however it's now better to enforce it than to cancel it
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True. however the question is whether Iran has fully complied with the agreement (it's not a treaty).



Excuse me. Treaty. There is not published, valid evidence they have not. People who are knowledgeable (and I mean Republican conservatives excluding the neocons) believe the agreement should stay in place. Much bigger fish to fry right now than adding another crisis unnecessarily

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Excuse me. Treaty. There is not published, valid evidence they have not. People who are knowledgeable (and I mean Republican conservatives excluding the neocons) believe the agreement should stay in place. Much bigger fish to fry right now than adding another crisis unnecessarily


It's not a treaty which must be ratified by Congress.  Mattis even referred to it as an "imperfect agreement".
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It's not a treaty which must be ratified by Congress.  Mattis even referred to it as an "imperfect agreement".



Sorry. Typo. I meant to agree with PDad that is was an agreement. Not treaty

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Excuse me. Agreement -edited. There is not published, valid evidence they have not. People who are knowledgeable (and I mean Republican conservatives excluding the neocons) believe the agreement should stay in place. Much bigger fish to fry right now than adding another crisis unnecessarily

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