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keepinitreal

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poor dewy, trying so hard to derail yet another thread.  Your wife kick you out of the living room again?
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PDad - You can tell the readers the undocumented, young or old, will be safe from deportation under a President Cruz or President Trump and I'll tell the readers the undocumented will be in the greatest jeopardy of their lives.  

I vehemently object to you mischaracterizing my position yet again. And you wonder why people don't like you. smh

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The only activists here are those trying to convince all who read that Democrats are dangerous for America.  As long as that false information is spewed, I feel obligated to counter.  Label me activist if it makes you feel better.

You are the only activist on here because you're the only one trying to convince "the readers" to vote for your party. No one else, Lib or Conservative, is evangelizing - they share their opinions and debate the issues. Conservatives likewise feel obligated to dispel the false information you regurgitate.
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Bluedog and Woody turned this thread into a Trump/immigration thread in post #72 and #76. 

PDad - If I mischaracterized your position, you're free to correct the record.  When I'm accused of not liking cops or veterans, I correct the record.  Your hands aren't tied here.  Secondly, if you think nobody here is promoting GOP leadership over Democrats, then we're reading a different forum.  In any event, I'm not denying that I'm promoting Democrat leadership.  I'll own that part.  That said, I didn't come to this softball forum to promote Obama in 2008.  I only joined in when the Democrat criticism grew rampant after his election.
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If you answer his questions, HE will decide where to cubby hole your answer and use it against you later
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by woody
No illegal alien should be allowed to remain in our country and violate our laws. None should remain. All should be deported. 

PDad and Tyler - I believe you both disagree with this position of woody's and I'm wondering why I'm asked if undocumented immigrants should be allowed to violate our laws and you two escape similar scrutiny?  Why do you think that is?  Is it because some on the Right refuse to criticize their own?  That's what I'm thinking.

Why are you asking us? You're clearly not thinking. You should be asking others. smh

FTR, I take Woody's post as stating his ideal situation and don't disagree with his desire to deport all illegals. I expect we disagree on what is feasible regarding deporting all of them and whether/how any should be legalized.

There's a huge difference between that and your avocations for allowing all of them to violate our laws and in the future register Dem (i.e. become documented).

Edited: replaced idyllic position with more accurate wording - ideal situation.
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My response exactly.
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PDad - If I mischaracterized your position, you're free to correct the record. When I'm accused of not liking cops or veterans, I correct the record.

No one should have to "correct the record" because there is a record of our stated positions. The problem is you distort other people's positions separate from where they've stated them. Cease and desist from posting about my positions without a supporting quote by me.

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Secondly, if you think nobody here is promoting GOP leadership over Democrats, then we're reading a different forum.

Same old Dewey, trying to twist it into a partisan GOP vs Dem issue. smh Here's what I posted - "No one else, Lib or Conservative, is evangelizing - they share their opinions and debate the issues." 
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Are you two saying you'd favor deporting all undocumented if feasible?

Btw, I never said all should be made legal or all should register Dem. Please apply my quote.

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Are you two saying you'd favor deporting all undocumented if feasible?

We're on record that deporting 11+ million isn't feasible.

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Brw, I never said all should be made legal or all should register Dem. Please apply my quote.

Are you saying you don't want all to register Dem?
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PDad - C'mon, you're dodging. EG said it wouldn't be difficult to identify and deport schoolchildren. Are you in favor of doing so in as many instances as possible?

If someone asked me if abortion should be illegal and I answered we can't stop all abortion, it would be a dodge on my part.
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C'mon Dewey, you're dodging my question.
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PDad - C'mon, you're dodging.

No, your question was an attempt to distort what I posted and I clarified that.
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You dodged mine but since I agreed to answer here goes. I wouldn"t allow any to become citizens without satisfying certain qualifications. That would only be all if all qualified which wouldn't happen. While I'd be happy if many registered Dem, I'd hope some registered Ind and Rep in order to maintain more than one Party.. I believe in a two party system.
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You dodged mine but since I agreed to answer here goes. I wouldn"t allow any to become citizens without satisfying certain qualifications. (breathing?) That would only be all if all qualified which wouldn't happen. While I'd be happy if many registered Dem, I'd hope some registered Ind and Rep in order to maintain more than one Party.. I believe in a two party system.

Dems need someone to blame for their screw-ups...

There's a clear record of my positions on here that answers your questions, especially the last one. We shouldn't be burdened by your inability to understand them and/or hopes of getting us with a "gotcha" question. Try showing us some consideration by applying yourself instead of pestering us.
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Should we try to identify undocumented students and workers and deport them?

Do you think Cruz or Trump will or should attempt to identify undlocumented students and workers and deport them?

Two simple but important questions. If anyone has figured out where PDad and Tyler stand, please share it with me. I admit I'm still at a loss.
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Dewey said....

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 I admit I'm still at a loss.


Yes Dewey, yes you are.....
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Should we try to identify undocumented students and workers and deport them?
Shameful harassment since my positions on these are clear and on the record.

Do you think Cruz or Trump will or should attempt to identify undlocumented students and workers and deport them?
Ridiculous question with "will or should" - "should" is covered by the previous question, unless you absurdly think they "should" do something different than what we believe "should" be done. smh

Two simple but important questions. If anyone has figured out where PDad and Tyler stand, please share it with me. I admit I'm still at a loss.

We agree - probably the most honest and accurate thing you've posted in quite a while.
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I'm on record - look it up
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If you answer his questions, HE will decide where to cubby hole your answer and use it against you later


I wish there was a like button for this forum, because this post deserves it.
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Doing this on phone while watching game. You're correct that "should" was covered in first question. My bad. In any event, I asked someone else to explain your position. Maybe I'll get lucky.
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EG said it wouldn't be difficult to identify and deport schoolchildren.  


Oh Dewey, you disingenuous sad man. Now you've gone and mischaracterized the crucial part of what I have said, and treated me as badly as you treat the others. I guess our bromance is over.
I NEVER said it 'wouldn't be difficult'. I said our govt has 'has the tools to ascertain and deport'. And I said I want it to happen.  You suck. 

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I NEVER said it 'wouldn't be difficult'. I said our govt has 'has the tools to ascertain and deport'. And I said I want it to happen.  You suck. 


Told Ya so

If you answer his questions, HE will decide where to cubby hole your answer and use it against you later 

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Doing this on phone while watching game. You're correct that "should" was covered in first question. My bad. In any event, I asked someone else to explain your position. Maybe I'll get lucky.


Apparently Dewey prefers to learn PDad's position from anyone *but* PDad.

To make sure he gets it wrong in the future, no doubt.

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Oh Dewey, you disingenuous sad man. Now you've gone and mischaracterized the crucial part of what I have said, and treated me as badly as you treat the others. I guess our bromance is over.
I NEVER said it 'wouldn't be difficult'. I said our govt has 'has the tools to ascertain and deport'. And I said I want it to happen.  You suck. 


EG - I've sensed for some time now that you were about to leave me.  After many many months sitting on the sidelines, your posts gradually got significantly more harsh in tone and you appeared to be gravitating towards increased support regarding the comments of other Conservatives inside here.  Not sure what finally turned you completely but no doubt it's more entertaining for many in this forum to participate in personal attacks as part of their opinion pieces.

Just as I never said I wanted all undocumented to be made legal, or all to be registered as Democrats, I must admit you didn't say "it wouldn't be difficult" in your post.  If I've learned anything it's that if one considers paraphrasing what they think another posters writes, one better be a Conservative.

Finally, as for "not being that difficult", I thought one of the Government tools you were speaking of would be asking for birth certificates of students and workers.  Clearly I didn't think that was a difficult task for a Cruz or Trump Administration to consider.
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Dewy your side makes it difficult to show ID to vote. Your side will really throw a fit over your illegals showing ID. You get more disingenuous every day
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Dewy your side makes it difficult to show ID to vote. Your side will really throw a fit over your illegals showing ID.


True.  If students and workers are required to show proof of citizenship in a Trump or Cruz Administration, in order for authorities to end their education or participation in the workplace, Democrats will object as loudly as they do regarding voter ID.  Probably louder.  Unfortunately, in a GOP Administration, these same Democrats may have about as much success at stopping the process as they have had halting these new voting requirements.
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We voted just fine last month showing an ID. You Californians are getting soft
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I must admit you didn't say "it wouldn't be difficult" in your post.  If I've learned anything it's that if one considers paraphrasing what they think another posters writes, one better be a Conservative.


Now class, in today's lesson we learn that "paraphrasing" is a euphemism for "grossly misstating."

The difference being if you paraphrase you "better be a Conservative," leaving the gross misstatements to Democrats. [rofl]

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For the record, EarlyGrayce said this...

"Do you really think that any moderately politically savvy person in this country needs to be told that illegals can be ID'd and deported? You think that's a big mystery?
So, tell me. Who here has stated that it is 'impossible to identify and deport (illegal) students?"


I took this comment as an implication that identifying and ultimately deporting the undocumented is not a difficult thing to do.  Readers can decide for themselves if I was trying to grossly misstate what EG was suggesting. 

Btw, I should have said some posters want readers to think it's "infeasible" to identify and deport which means "not possible to do easily".  I'm a Democrat with posts under the magnifying glass so I must be careful to be more exact.  I understand nothing is impossible and should have used the correct word.

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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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