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keepinitreal

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Think the 3 libtards circle of jerk will appreciate the krauthammer opinion piece? Nope, they're too involved in winning debate points to listen to his reasoning
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I don't find lying, cheating and refusing to pay legitimate bills qualities I'm looking for in my president. Maybe yours can be corrupt, but not mine. He is not a patriot, but a self-serving, narcissistic meglomaniac. Despicable human being.
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The hard right is certainly passionate and emotional about their causes. But in the end, devoid of factual evidence, they are, as President Obama so wisely and succinctly put it, just saying stuff. 
TheNarrator

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Hard to disagree with a lot of that article.  Personally I have always thought a businessman would make a great President over a career politician - one of the reasons I supported Romney v Obama.  Trump is rough around the edges, but has cleaned up twitter somewhat, including his attacks on women.  Is he perfect?  Not by a long shot.  But as the article said, where have career politicians got us?  Americans thought it was time to give someone else a shot.
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"But as the article said, where have career politicians got us?" 

We are currently the wealthiest nation on the planet with the greatest economy.  When President Trump took office, the stock market was at an all time high and millions of jobs were being added yearly.  We had greatly damaged Al Quada and were doing much the same to ISIS.  This Country has made major gains on treating and reducing AIDS and has passed laws guaranteeing everyone the Right to buy health insurance.  I'd say previous politicians have succeeded in many areas.

If I were to criticize today, I'd note we once again have a special counsel investigating our Government.  We haven't experienced that in years.  We find white nationalists once again feeling strong enough to hold marches in our nation.  Maybe the most concerning to some is we have a President tweeting calls to arrest certain Americans and jailing them.  I offer these criticizms to suggest condemning previous politicians may be by a bit hyperbolic.

Take a moment and share with the readers how this Country will look after the Trump term/s are over.  Explain what to expect that will illustrate how this President surpassed previous politicians.  Please list the criticizms of past politicians and highlight the predicted accomplishments one will be surprised to find several years from today thanks to this outsider of a President. 

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1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

TheNarrator

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We will be Americans - we made it through the most racially divisive Presidency in history and appear to be even stronger now.

Hopefully the GOP, while spending WAY too much money, can scale back the role of government in our lives and unleash the greatest asset of our nation - our will to succeed.
TheNarrator

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We survived Obama - you can survive Trump.
spazsdad

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Originally Posted by TerpAlum
Keep hoping.

Having a take on the Donald is like having a take on any dictator in the world. Who cares. The cost is not worth the candy. Or maybe it is like having a take on the devil.

Trump=dictator
Terp=unhinged

Maybe your parents didn’t give you any candy when you were little and now you are all growed up and bitter. What does your therapist say at your weekly sessions?
Will_I_Wynn

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A lot of very vague responses.  Past politicians have been criticized.  I want to know specifically the list of bad results in this Country, thanks to previous politicians, and what those will look like when Trump is gone.  Not some generic comment like "America will be better".  Give us some real examples we can grade when it's over.  More importantly, list the failures that cause one to say our previous politicians have failed us.  I'm a bit biased but I've never experienced a time I thought politicians were failing us more than they are today.  Some of my reasons for saying this are:

Verbal insults back and forth mostly by the President
Deficits allowed to start growing dramatically again
Heightening the discord over immigrants
Misleading Americans to force changes in voting laws
Stepping away from environmental and climate change concerns
Attacks against free press and justice system
Increased firings of those in Government
Abuse of spending tax dollars by those holding Government positions




Let's have your list as to why past politicians should be chastised for failing us and then add the list as to why we'll be happy Trump was our President.


 


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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

TheNarrator

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
A lot of very vague responses.  Past politicians have been criticized.  I want to know specifically the list of bad results in this Country, thanks to previous politicians, and what those will look like when Trump is gone.  Not some generic comment like "America will be better".  


Who the hell are you to make demands of anyone?  In the history of UCS there has never been a bigger dodger of questions than you, and no one has lied more and just ran away when confronted than you.  Change your name again and the results will be the same.

I never said it would be better, just that apparently Americans wanted to give someone else a shot.  He wasn't my choice, but it is what it is.  I understand your hatred for all things non political, but so far he hasn't done that bad.  I'm not for the tariffs, but willing to see how it plays out.
Will_I_Wynn

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
A lot of very vague responses.  Past politicians have been criticized.  I want to know specifically the list of bad results in this Country, thanks to previous politicians, and what those will look like when Trump is gone.  Not some generic comment like "America will be better".  Give us some real examples we can grade when it's over.  More importantly, list the failures that cause one to say our previous politicians have failed us.  I'm a bit biased but I've never experienced a time I thought politicians were failing us more than they are today.  Some of my reasons for saying this are:

Verbal insults back and forth mostly by the President
Deficits allowed to start growing dramatically again
Heightening the discord over immigrants
Misleading Americans to force changes in voting laws
Stepping away from environmental and climate change concerns
Attacks against free press and justice system
Increased firings of those in Government
Abuse of spending tax dollars by those holding Government positions




Let's have your list as to why past politicians should be chastised for failing us and then add the list as to why we'll be happy Trump was our President.



If you don't want to predict the future, then explain the comment "politicians have failed us".  Record markets, record economy, record tax receipts, beat down of Al Quaeda, ISIS, and AIDS, etc.  We are the wealthiest nation with the strongest military.  What are the specific criticizms our past politicians should be ashamed about?

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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

TheNarrator

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Verbal insults back and forth mostly by the President  - Obama:  Police who arrested professor "acted stupidly"

Deficits allowed to start growing dramatically again - Obama's Record on Debt, Deficit Worst Ever
Heightening the discord over immigrants -  President Obama “But what I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill that I strongly support and that I’m promoting"
Misleading Americans to force changes in voting laws - Obama Administration Calls to Restore Felons Voting Rights
Stepping away from environmental and climate change concerns - N/A
Attacks against free press and justice system - DOJ Targeting of Fox News Reporter James Rosen Risks Criminalizing Journalism
Increased firings of those in Government - N/A - President has the right to have whomever he wants working for him
Abuse of spending tax dollars by those holding Government positions - N/A


Just so the readers know, they should challenge everything posted by Dewey/Will.  He sat on his hands while all of this was going on the past eight years.
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If you don't want to predict the future, then explain the comment "politicians have failed us".  Record markets, record economy, record tax receipts, beat down of Al Quaeda, ISIS, and AIDS, etc.  We are the wealthiest nation with the strongest military.  What are the specific criticizms our past politicians should be ashamed about?


Our economy is coming off the lowest growth as compared to GDP in history and our last President had the worst record on debt/deficit in history.  The "beat down" is directly the result of the past election.

Some folks don't see us as what we are, but what we have been and what we could become.  Get the government out of the way and let/make Americans work.  Bill Clinton believed in that, he would probably be ran out of the democratic party today.
keepinitreal

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Dewy's widgets stocked and on the shelf, invoices mailed, new shipments shipped, time to get back to his 10 hour day at the UCS 'defense of the Kenyan' job

Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
A lot of very vague responses.  Past politicians have been criticized.  I want to know specifically the list of bad results in this Country, thanks to previous politicians, and what those will look like when Trump is gone.  Not some generic comment like "America will be better".  


Who the hell are you to make demands of anyone? 

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Will_I_Wynn

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Fair to blame politicians for missing an economic collapse.  I'll give you that one.  On the other hand, blaming a President for inheriting a $1.4 trillion deficit while bringing it down by over 60% is nothing but a partisan attack.  Our deficits are going right back to a trillion again.

I'll give you a couple of easy ones.  Record tax receipts should be much higher.  Constant attacks by politicians on our revenue is killing our budget.  Number one on your list should be past politicians didn't attack border crossings because they wanted the cheap labor to give business the labor they wanted and the high markets investors wanted.  Today's politicians say that should stop.  I can't help but agree with them.

I still say the complaints we'll have by the time Trump leaves office will far exceed anything we thought about previous leaders.  Doesn't mean markets won't continue to grow as will tax receipts.  Beyond those, there will be a number of necessary changes to bring our Government back to the people and to return norms of respect and decency.


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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

keepinitreal

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I still say my complaints I'll have by the time Trump leaves office will far exceed anything we thought about previous leaders.  



I agree, You've been listening to too much salt radio, you'll be complaining along with Scott and kazoo.  That's your full-time job, complaining

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TheNarrator

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You really are one condecending POS - name change and all.  But I will give you this, you keep coming back for the a$$ whippings you are given, so I will go ahead and do it again.

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I'll give you a couple of easy ones.  Record tax receipts should be much higher Trump ran on lowering the burdensome taxes on hard working folks and successful businesses - your argument is with the American people.  Constant attacks by politicians on our revenue is killing our budget The converse could be said about spending.  Number one on your list should be past politicians didn't attack border crossings because they wanted the cheap labor to give business the labor they wanted and the high markets investors wanted. Agreed, and democrats wanted votes, which is the reason the Obama administration didn't address the issue either.  Today's politicians say that should stop.  I can't help but agree with them
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Oh come on Coach-can't-talk-politely to a fellow human being, a former softball player, like a gentleman--you really are an a-- and your daughter deserves better than you. Stop stalking me, as a female, and please and go pick on people your own size, you bully. There I said it, and that is my request, leave me alone. So much for chivalry and all that old school stuff...conservatives are all drumpf clones now. How far we have fallen since Reagan. Hope you and self-named spaz are proud of yourselves.

(I would show my posts to anyone in my family, but can you? I dare you show your daughters what asses you are!)

The guy's a nutcase, everything is constant chaos, and he has done plenty. It is a copout to ask me to prove that; look at the nine hundred headlines not just the candy. You must make a lot more than me, because my so-called pay raise was nothing, and it will all go back next year with the change in deductions.

I don't care about who lost. I used to vote independent a lot, even at state level, and those guys lost plenty. I care that a bunch of nimwits got trolled on facebook by Russians and put this poor excuse for a human being into the White House.
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 I care that a bunch of nimwits got trolled on facebook and put this poor excuse for a human being into the White House.


A lot of us cared as well:





And where is Peggy Joseph today:

In this just released clip, Peggy Joseph is well-spoken. When asked by Gilbert, “Did Obama pay for your mortgage and did he pay for your gas?” Joseph laughs and replies, “Absolutely not! Mortgage got worse and gas prices got higher … At that time we needed a change but a change for the better not the worse.”

She even compares Obama to “The Wizard Of Oz” — “The little man behind the curtain, not who we thought or expected him to be.”

Will_I_Wynn

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"The converse could be said about spending."

Nope.  If we adjusted slightly for collapse in 2008 and stimulus that followed, here's our approximate history:

80-90 - Income grows 100%
90-2000 - Income grows 96%
00-10 - Income grows 39%
10-20 - Income grows 42%

80-90 - Spending grows 110%
90-2000 - Spending grows 43%
00-10 - Spending grows 86%
10-20 - Spending grows 34%

Those are old estimates as spending is expected to grow in the coming years.  Our income growth is being stymied by tax cuts.  Plain and simple.

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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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Dewey keeps wailing about lack of revenue.  What he really means is he wants to increase taxes.  More lack of honesty.
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TheNarrator

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What dewey fails to realize is that we are not obligated to raise spending. He keeps saying how we have to race spending, but in reality we do not have to. It’s just a different way of seeing our country should be run, nothing wrong with either way. I just don’t understand why he Won’t be honest?
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Not even Republicans will decrease the buying power of our elderly retired.  Inflation demands an increase in benefits or the lives of the elderly will get worse year after year.  Couple that with a larger retired population and spending has to go up.  Unless we plan on not giving raises to military and other Government workers, spending has to go up.  Dishonesty is trying to tell the American public spending does not have to increase.  Until we solve the fact of inflation and population growth, spending will go up and up.  There's a perfectly explainable reason why we spend more today than we did in 1900, or any other year for that matter.

When a member makes a post saying we should return top tax rates to 39.6%, there can't be a more honest statement expressing a support in increasing our taxes.


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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

pabar61

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Not even Republicans will decrease the buying power of our elderly retired.  Inflation demands an increase in benefits or the lives of the elderly will get worse year after year.  Couple that with a larger retired population and spending has to go up.  Unless we plan on not giving raises to military and other Government workers, spending has to go up.  Dishonesty is trying to tell the American public spending does not have to increase.  Until we solve the fact of inflation and population growth, spending will go up and up.  There's a perfectly explainable reason why we spend more today than we did in 1900, or any other year for that matter.

When a member makes a post saying we should return top tax rates to 39.6%, there can't be a more honest statement expressing a support in increasing our taxes.



You are correct that Republicans (more specifically, RINOs) have been terrible at upholding their principles by controlling spending.  We expect Democrats to behave as they always have - irresponsibly.  RINOs are at fault for joining them.

You can talk R vs D all day long but the only way out of this hole is for all of them to summon the courage to honestly take on entitlements which are, far and away, the biggest spending concern we have.

Dishonesty is pretending that spending must increase.  Why?  Put it this way - spending can be raised infinitely - taxes cannot.  Thus, the only way to balance the books is to address spending.

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If you’re calling me dishonest, I’ll wear that badge with pride coming from someone like you.

Why should government workers be required to get raises? Is the rest of the country automatically get a raise every year? If you don’t have the money, you don’t give the raises.
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Republicans are the same today as they were under the Reagan Administration.  This theme about some sort of change is not supported by evidence.  They will agree to more social spending if the Democrats will sign on to more defense spending.  Been that way for decades.  Republicans haven't changed.  Ask yourself, would you agree to more social spending to get the military the money they wanted?  My guess is you would, as would most Republicans.  If not, you are a new breed on the Right, not a Republican as we've known them since the 80's.
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Worst propaganda over last decade...

1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

TheNarrator

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I would up to a certain point. We can’t spend money we don’t have.

In this forum, those on the right are not afraid to pull out their own party and they do things they don’t agree with.
Will_I_Wynn

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Fine to change your mind and leave your Party.  Doesn't mean Republicans who stay deserve your wrath saying they have somehow changed their stripes, just as it doesn't change the fact Republicans have and continue to support increases in social spending in order to get increased defense spending.  Without a Senate majority of 60 and a House majority, they likely can't get it any other way.

To date, I haven't heard one Conservative say no to spending more on defense if it means we have to increase social spending too.  Outside of Rand Paul, not sure I've ever heard a right-leaning person (I should probably say Republican) say such.

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1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

Will_I_Wynn

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McConnell says he'll decide what comes to a vote and nobody else.  I'd call that his "pen and a phone" moment.  He does have that power.
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1)  Telling Americans Hillary would be locked up
2)  Telling Americans Obama born in Africa
3)  Telling Americans millions of illegals vote
4)  Telling Americans Mexico would pay for a wall
5)  Telling Americans GOP would introduce better healthcare plan

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Yes he does.  Unfortunately he used that power to pass the crap pile called omnibus.

Why tax people more?  Why not cut spending.

If defense spending stays flat and domestic spending is greatly reduced (20%) I could back that, why not?

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pabar61

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Republicans are the same today as they were under the Reagan Administration.  This theme about some sort of change is not supported by evidence.  They will agree to more social spending if the Democrats will sign on to more defense spending.  Been that way for decades.  Republicans haven't changed.  Ask yourself, would you agree to more social spending to get the military the money they wanted?  My guess is you would, as would most Republicans.  If not, you are a new breed on the Right, not a Republican as we've known them since the 80's.


Really?  The data would say different.

Image result for welfare share of federal spending


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