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uwApoligist

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Great thing is that we can get the wall built, take large number of security measures, apply a lot of pressure on dem misguided and illegal sanctuary cities.  Later we can work with congress to get the wall paid for.
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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
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Trump said Hillary would soon be locked up.  She wasn't.  Trump says the press prints fake news.  They don't.  Trump says Mexico will pay for a wall.  They won't.  Trump says million of illegal immigrants voted.  They didn't.  Trump says he loves DACA kids.  He doesn't.  Trump said he would reduce our deficit.  He didn't.  Trump says our elections are rigged.  They aren't.  Trump says the Russian investigation is a hoax.  It isn't.  Trump says Comey is lying.  He isn't.  Trump says he would require Congress to authorize bombing Syria.  He didn't.  Trump says all his women accusers are lying.  They aren't.  Trump said he wouldn't golf that much.  He does.  Trump says he's accomplished more than any other President.  He hasn't.  

It's sad to say but this President far too often makes statements to the American people that simply aren't true.   What's more sad is rather than hold our President accountable for what he says or doesn't say, we instead search out examples of other men/women who haven't told the truth.  We tend to justify our politicians misleading us rather than criticizing them for their comments.  In the past, the Right has continuously chastised Republicans who haven't been honest with them.  Now they explain it away as if it's unimportant.


The Right is now telling us we should not condemn Presidents who mislead us because all Presidents do much the same.  In other words, we have no choice but to accept what any President says.  If we choose not to accept such actions from our President, then opponents must submit examples of other Presidents who have done similar in order to provide justification.  This is a bad precedent.

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Just letting the readers know you only call out one side and not the other, while several conservative members here call out both sides.

Your hypocrisy on this, and on posting under multiple names, reveals your true character.



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We lived through 8 years of the most divisive administration in the history of our nation.  Trump is a walk in the park compared to that Islamic Kenyan racist and his racist wife that we had in the White House.  Condemn all you want Duaine, you'll realize squat for your efforts.  Just looking like a salty, old, disgruntled, white, male, fool in your attic. 

No one is saying you can't condemn anyone that you please, where are you getting that talking point?  The right is telling you, that you cannot condemn?  Is The Narrator 'The Right'?  I think he said 
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 Republicans will admit it, while dems will lie further to protect their own.  He was still a superior choice to enough Americans to get elected.
 
That is hardly saying that you can't condemn someone.  You're such a pussy Duaine

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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The denny drama continues. Anyone.....anyone that is an associate should pack their sh1t and head for the hills. They're all evidently crooks and he's shining a spot light on them for easy pickings from the DOJ. Latest buddy to "see the light" is Sean Hannity. Wonder what his fetish is? Cohen's attorney tried to pass an envelope over with the name, but it doesn't work like that. Either denny hangs with the wrong crowd, or he IS the crowd your mother warned you about. 
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Poor Comey and dems - this completely ruins their news cycle.

Can't even get this right.

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The denny drama continues. Anyone.....anyone that is an associate should pack their sh1t and head for the hills. They're all evidently crooks and he's shining a spot light on them for easy pickings from the DOJ. Latest buddy to "see the light" is Sean Hannity. Wonder what his fetish is? Cohen's attorney tried to pass an envelope over with the name, but it doesn't work like that. Either denny hangs with the wrong crowd, or he IS the crowd your mother warned you about. 


Nope, my mother warned me about white, male, liberal, pussies.

"Boy, don't you worry,
you'll find yourself.
Follow your heart,
and nothing else.
And you can do this, oh babe, if you try.
All that I want for you my son, is to be satisfied


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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
kazoo

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He gave us tax cuts.
He cut tons of worthless epa regs.
He got the pipelines back and going, creating energy independence and jobs. 
He has the economy doing very well.
Took on China for steel dumping revitalizing American steel industry and providing relief for tens of thousands American steel workers.
Working with coal companies and saving many of those jobs.
NAFTA renegotiation should help with countries that are openly taking advantage of trade with US, and the cost of American workers.
Wall can be paid for by Mexico through NAFTA negotiations, or taxes on repatriated funds.  Of course it would always take congress to do things this smart, not a surprise that dullards in congress are not getting it.


--Tax cuts? The tax cuts were for the wealthy and big business--period. The middle class got a pittance. The individual tax cuts expire after 2025--in 7 years. The business tax cuts are permanent. 
 https://slate.com/business/2018/02/americans-arent-noticing-trumps-tax-cut-in-their-paychecks.html

--worthless EPA regs? Like you'd know....don't make us laugh. EPA regulations, like all regulations, are enacted for a reason--usually to protect the environment AND human health. Horrors? Conservative ideologues and numbskulls--starting with the corrupt Scott Pruitt--an evangelical rube from Oklahoma who's DEEP in the pocket of the energy industry--like to lie about how regulations hurt businesses and jobs. It's all bull$hit. Have you noticed how big most of the energy companies are in America? They're huge, they're hugely profitable. This notion that nettlesome EPA regulations are hurting the economy is utter nonsense. Getting rid of them will endanger human health--but conservatives are too thick to understand they're getting played. 

--the economy? It was doing reasonable well when Obama left office and it's doing about the same now. Under 3 percent GDP growth last year--that's not even close to doing "very well."

--China steel dumping? Practically every economist in the country--no matter what they're politics are--has said a trade war/tariffs is a stupid idea. Most Republicans oppose the idea of a trade war and tariffs...If any industries are helped by tariffs, other industries are hurt when China or anyone else raises their tariffs. It's a no-win situation. 

--Saving coal jobs? Oh, man. You're naive--that's the kindest thing I can say. The coal industry will continue to shrivel. It is not coming back.

And that's just on the policy side, of course. There is no way to describe the damage Trump has done to the integrity of the presidency and to political discourse in this country. He's immoral, unethical, stupid--is trying to turn America into a banana republic. He's a mobster, a con man who has clearly committed obstruction of justice--and we will hear more about his wrong-doing soon. 



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kaaaaaploooeeeee
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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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--Tax cuts? The tax cuts were for the wealthy and big business--period. The middle class got a pittance. The individual tax cuts expire after 2025--in 7 years. The business tax cuts are permanent. 
 https://slate.com/business/2018/02/americans-arent-noticing-trumps-tax-cut-in-their-paychecks.html

--worthless EPA regs? Like you'd know....don't make us laugh. EPA regulations, like all regulations, are enacted for a reason--usually to protect the environment AND human health. Horrors? Conservative ideologues and numbskulls--starting with the corrupt Scott Pruitt--an evangelical rube from Oklahoma who's DEEP in the pocket of the energy industry--like to lie about how regulations hurt businesses and jobs. It's all bull$hit. Have you noticed how big most of the energy companies are in America? They're huge, they're hugely profitable. This notion that nettlesome EPA regulations are hurting the economy is utter nonsense. Getting rid of them will endanger human health--but conservatives are too thick to understand they're getting played. 

--the economy? It was doing reasonable well when Obama left office and it's doing about the same now. Under 3 percent GDP growth last year--that's not even close to doing "very well."

--China steel dumping? Practically every economist in the country--no matter what they're politics are--has said a trade war/tariffs is a stupid idea. Most Republicans oppose the idea of a trade war and tariffs...If any industries are helped by tariffs, other industries are hurt when China or anyone else raises their tariffs. It's a no-win situation. 

--Saving coal jobs? Oh, man. You're naive--that's the kindest thing I can say. The coal industry will continue to shrivel. It is not coming back.

And that's just on the policy side, of course. There is no way to describe the damage Trump has done to the integrity of the presidency and to political discourse in this country. He's immoral, unethical, stupid--is trying to turn America into a banana republic. He's a mobster, a con man who has clearly committed obstruction of justice--and we will hear more about his wrong-doing soon. 




You are out of touch with reality!  BTW, about those tax cuts, we just had our projected taxes done for next year.  We had to do that since I retire and we needed to know how to set our finances.  The difference we are projected to pay is absolutely stunning.  The wife also got a huge pay increase which amounted in more of an increase this time than the amount of her last 3 pay increases.  Along with that, she is now going to get an offer to jump into a company program on stock that has been opened up to employees due to the tax cuts.  Potentially, this could mean thousands of dollars when she retires.  

Per the steel, tell you sad sob story to the 250 steel workers in my area that have now been called back.  Note, that is 50 more than I reported before because they started up an entire shift.  Tell that also to the other small business around the steel mill that will turn the corner now from barely being able to keep the doors open to being busy again.  

Per that EPA, it is obvious to me that you are absolutely clueless.  They have far exceeded their mandates and are oppressive.  The American Farmer has been under attack for some time from the EPA.  I know a farmer who's family was run out of the beef market due to having a stream run through his property.  Cows poop and so, he and his family's farm were fined by the EPA.  That farm has been in their family, as I posted once before on this site, since before 1900.  

Finally, the only damage Trump has done is to the socialist hopes and dreams of those like you who despise the American Way and want instead a nanny state where the government dictates to the people what they are allowed to do and believe.  



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Too early to pass judgement on any of the financial impact. denny was enjoying the continuing prosperity from the Obama policies. denny can own it from now on and hopefully the stock market will start back up again. We'll see the effect of the tax cuts over the rest of the year. The one sure thing is the bad effects of the increasing deficits. Anyone can figure that out. 
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It really triggers Freshy and kaplooeeey if working American gets to keep a bit of their paycheck.  They want that money for their government redistributions. 
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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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It really triggers Freshy and kaplooeeey if working American gets to keep a bit of their paycheck.  They want that money for their government redistributions. 


My daughter went from the 15% tax bracket to the 12% tax bracket.  While this may not seem like a lot, she has to buy a new car and this cut will greatly impact her ability to do so.  For many Americans in the heartland, I would suspect that this will be the response as they take those cuts and put them back into the economy.  

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Pees sitting down


Duaine?

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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For all you liberal idiots that only get their news from the LSM coal exports are up 60% reaching record numbers. Coal is far from dead as it’s a key component in steal production. Sorry you are so ignorant Kazoo. Make sure you wipe front to back so you don’t get an infection
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For all you liberal idiots that only get their news from the LSM coal exports are up 60% reaching record numbers. Coal is far from dead as it’s a key component in steal production. Sorry you are so ignorant Kazoo. Make sure you wipe front to back so you don’t get an infection


Where can I sign up to be a coal miner!


Here's more on our deeply unethical president:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/16/trump-businesses-money-campaign-federal-agencies

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You're too much of a pussy to be a coal miner. 
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Big signs everywhere.  No pussies in the mine.
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I have a question, where is US coal being shipped to? Just asking for a friend.
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You would need a Fortune cookie to know that
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You're too much of a pussy to be a coal miner. 

Coal miner's daughter. front to back


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I have a question, where is US coal being shipped to? Just asking for a friend.

Europe, Asia (largely).  
Europe  - Germany and Netherlands
Asia - India, Japan, Skor

b b b but my Europe is way ahead of US on greenhouse and environmental issues, they are enlightened.

For some reason I thought we had been shipping a lot to China, but in the report below Chinese numbers don't seem that large. 

The reason that I think that is there was like a 10 year never ending moaning fight from the Sierra Club, they pushed super hard to get the last coal plant shut down in the state of Washington. It was largely tied to single mine.  Libtards assumed the mine would shutdown.  Coal company had already provisioned some tracks to right to a port not too far away from the Coal burning electricity plant that was closing.  Coal could be shipped right to China.  Production at the mine actually went up.  LIbtards had to go lay on the tracks.  It think they finally got it stopped.

https://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/pdf/t7p01p1.pdf

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kazoo and scott lowry hopefully laid on those tracks.  Pinch the zit off the top of their shoulders
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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China has more coal reserves than any other country, including America. Ever been to China? I doubt it--it's a long way from the South. I have, multiple times. It's a heavily polluted country. You know why? Coal. Their electricity comes form coal-fired powered plants. Conservative blockheads should visit a few developing countries--you might appreciate the environmental regulations in America, which idiot Republicans always want to pretend are a problem--not because they are, quite the opposite (assuming you enjoy breathing somewhat clean air) because they want to please their corporate trade-group campaign contributors. Coal is a very dirty energy source, and coal-mining is a bottom-of-the barrel job--lousy pay, dangerous--and, hey, maybe you'll get black-lung disease. West Virginia, coal-mining state, I believe is the poorest state in the country--even poorer than states in the deep South that have been run by Republicans for decades. 

As for Trump, it doesn't matter what his policies are--and his policies are all over the map because he's clueless. He took the United State out of the TPP; now he's saying maybe we should join again! He doesn't this constantly. He takes a position and then a day later is back-tracking. His administration is full of crackpots and ideologues--worst cabinet in the history of the country, unless you like having unqualified people in key jobs, which of course conservatives do. He's ruined the State Department--but who needs foreign policy experts when you can send Ivanka, shoe designer, and her hubby Jared ("can I interest you in investing in a building I own in Manhattan) out and about to solve the world's problems? Trump is deeply unethical and corrupt--always has been. He's enriching himself on taxpayer money when he takes his presidential entourage to Trump properties every weekend. That's called corruption. All the supposed moral values conservatives looking the other way with this obviously corrupt man making a mockery of the presidency. Nobody with any intelligence takes conservative simpletons seriously. 

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Hey Vance, only 6.5 years to go.
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And then you get to say President Pence.
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China has more coal reserves than any other country, including America. Ever been to China? I doubt it--it's a long way from the South. I have, multiple times. It's a heavily polluted country. You know why? Coal. Their electricity comes form coal-fired powered plants. Conservative blockheads should visit a few developing countries--you might appreciate the environmental regulations in America, which idiot Republicans always want to pretend are a problem--not because they are, quite the opposite (assuming you enjoy breathing somewhat clean air) because they want to please their corporate trade-group campaign contributors. Coal is a very dirty energy source, and coal-mining is a bottom-of-the barrel job--lousy pay, dangerous--and, hey, maybe you'll get black-lung disease. West Virginia, coal-mining state, I believe is the poorest state in the country--even poorer than states in the deep South that have been run by Republicans for decades. 

As for Trump, it doesn't matter what his policies are--and his policies are all over the map because he's clueless. He took the United State out of the TPP; now he's saying maybe we should join again! He doesn't this constantly. He takes a position and then a day later is back-tracking. His administration is full of crackpots and ideologues--worst cabinet in the history of the country, unless you like having unqualified people in key jobs, which of course conservatives do. He's ruined the State Department--but who needs foreign policy experts when you can send Ivanka, shoe designer, and her hubby Jared ("can I interest you in investing in a building I own in Manhattan) out and about to solve the world's problems? Trump is deeply unethical and corrupt--always has been. He's enriching himself on taxpayer money when he takes his presidential entourage to Trump properties every weekend. That's called corruption. All the supposed moral values conservatives looking the other way with this obviously corrupt man making a mockery of the presidency. Nobody with any intelligence takes conservative simpletons seriously. 

I have been to China many times.  Must have been long time since you have gone, they are in no way shape or form developing country.  I was there a couple of times back in the 80s (Hong Kong), the communists had it surrounded and were deeply jealous and did not trust the Hong Kong businessmen.  It was interesting to see those communists get a taste for money and loose their distrust of business.

Coal in China is already way cleaner than United States as their plants are generally younger than US.

Your notion that coal is 'dirty' shows your adherence to pushed leftist agendas.  Coal has had a ton of work, especially in gasification.  It is a bit costly, but it allows you capture huge amounts of the biomass particulates and other particulates into useful byproducts.  

41% of the worlds electricity is generated by coal.   30% in the US, as our natural gas development, piping and production is way ahead of the rest of the world.  Natural gas is one of the cleanest sources of energy, but really requires some reasonable infrastructure.  To liquify it and truck it is expensive and dangerous.  Much better to pump it through pipelines.   

I do not know anyone that is not in favor of more green energy sources.  It is really about economic viability.  How much additional should people be expected to pay for energy sources that are just not viable, yet.  I know a lot of libtards that ran out in the 1990s and payed 50k or 60k for a super small solar array, only to have it rot on their rooftop, eventually causing major structural damage and repair costs.

Goofball libtards often argue that we should all be forced to live like it is the 1400s.  So goofy and non realistic.




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You are lost. My entire state is dotted with homes and businesses with installed solar panels, including everyone in my office who has a detached home. Oops, this was the result of what.... a government program... that started years ago. Everyone is thrilled with the impact on their energy bills and no one is repairing their homes. But I guess you only know people who had solar in the 70s or something, perhaps the sunroof on their VW microbus...
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