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sportz_fanz

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Originally Posted by sMurph

Over the last 3 seasons, Baylor's seed by the Committee as compared to their RPI is below:


             RPI            Seed

2016:      13       Not seeded, sent to #5 Oregon regional
2017:      10              15
2018:      15       Not seeded

The current SR format with top 8 national seeds and 16 seeds that host regionals began in 2005. From 2005 to 2015, Baylor never received a seed worse than their RPI. In fact, in 2007 Baylor's RPI was #13 and they got the 8 seed. I think this is the lowest seed to ever get a top 8. 

Anyway, currently Baylor has received the worst treatment as compared to their RPI for 3 consecutive seasons. (excluding Minnesota 2017)

So here is something to at least ponder. The major scandal regarding Baylor covering up sexual assault by its football players and other athletes broke in 2015 and was proven to involve a massive cover-up. Every year the committee gets about 3 new members to replace the ones whose terms expire. But for this entire period, women make up the significant majority of committee members. Could this explain the treatment of Baylor?  To be clear, I am on the side of VICTIMS of sexual assault. But the consequences should not accrue to the softball team.  Also to be clear, I am not saying there is evidence this has impacted the way committee members vote. This is not an accusation, but it does cross my mind as a potential explanation. I am curious what others think of this possibility.


Just prove the committee wrong again and win. They bounced 2-seed Arizona last year. Do it again to TAMU (and maybe Florida). Eventually, they'll get the message.

To answer your question, my guess would be they pissed off Candrea, who has some buddies on the committee.
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<< I realize the fact that the haven't put a team with just 3 such wins in the top 16 before. But that is a ridiculous reliance on a single "secret rule". Missouri ended up #24 so Arizona barely got a 4th top 25 win. Oklahoma State ended up #27, so Baylor barely missed out on a 4th top 25 win. Makes no sense. >> (sMurph)


I could not agree more.  Preach it, brother...
HenryLouisAaron

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<< Had Mizzou also stayed out of top 25 rpi, the committee would have had zero problems not putting Az as hosts and sent them packing. >> (janie)


So... under the circumstances listed above - you would have had NO problem with the committee...
if they had put Arizona outside the top 16 seeded teams.. even though they were the #12 team in RPI..?
HenryLouisAaron

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<< No disrespect to Baylor, but NOBODY expected them to win their regional, let alone come in our house and leave Arizona home.  I continued to hear that JMU was going to sweep the Baylor regional.  Several fans had their hotels, cars & flights locked in.  I'll admit, I was one that looked past Baylor on our way to the WCWS.  I was left licking my wounds.  It took a lot for them to get there. >> (Not2day)

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Sorry... but "NOBODY" just is not correct.

You're telling me that the Baylor coaches, players, parents and fans  didn't expect them to win..?

I'm an Oklahoma fan...  and it did not surprise me when Baylor beat Arizona.
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No disrespect to Baylor, but NOBODY expected them to win their regional,  I was one that looked past Baylor on our way to the WCWS.
 That says more about your narrow view than about Baylor or their chances last year. You apparently were not aware of the multiple years in which Baylor went to the WCWS recently (within the past 10 years).   Or that they usually have average hitting, but make up for that with outstanding pitching and solid defense.  You just weren't aware that they are a quality program, and you were in a small minority with regard to your view of the regional.

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Not2day

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OK...let me rephrase that.  Of course Baylor staff, team & fans believed it was possible.  Baylor has a history of coming out of the ashes and beating teams others felt they couldn't.  In Arizona, we were expecting to see JMU and thought we'd be able to roll past Baylor. Yes, I live in my little bubble.  While I had only watched them a few times prior to supers, they did not come across as a powerhouse team; more like a small ball pressure team forcing the defense to make a play.  And for their freshman to crush the ball she did... that was impressive. Last year they had 2 pitchers that worked well together.  This year, not sure their #1 can do it alone.  I wish them luck. 
Not2day

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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< No disrespect to Baylor, but NOBODY expected them to win their regional, let alone come in our house and leave Arizona home.  I continued to hear that JMU was going to sweep the Baylor regional.  Several fans had their hotels, cars & flights locked in.  I'll admit, I was one that looked past Baylor on our way to the WCWS.  I was left licking my wounds.  It took a lot for them to get there. >> (Not2day)

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Sorry... but "NOBODY" just is not correct.

You're telling me that the Baylor coaches, players, parents and fans  didn't expect them to win..?

I'm an Oklahoma fan...  and it did not surprise me when Baylor beat Arizona.


Curious as an Oklahoma fan, what did you see different about Baylor at Big XII Championships and the conference sweep.
MOJOERASER

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Baylor has beeen a consistent softball program for people to believe they can’t win at foolish. It’s possible they could make it out of their regional because they have the same pitcher as last year. Their bats are not as good and team speed is down a bit. I think the new slipper rule hurt Baylor the worst of all teams.
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Originally Posted by MOJOERASER
Baylor has beeen a consistent softball program for people to believe they can’t win at foolish. It’s possible they could make it out of their regional because they have the same pitcher as last year. Their bats are not as good and team speed is down a bit. I think the new slipper rule hurt Baylor the worst of all teams.


Quick housekeeping, Kelsee Selman carried that team last year, and she is not back.
HenryLouisAaron

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<< Curious as an Oklahoma fan, what did you see different about Baylor at Big XII Championships and the conference sweep. >> (Not2day)


The three game conference sweep:
5-0  Paige Parker goes all 7 innings and pitches a 2 hit shutout.
9-0  Mariah Lopez 3 IP, Paige Parker 2 IP... in a five inning run rule shutout.
4-1  Paige Parker 4 IP, Paige Lowary 3 IP... allowing just one run to score.

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The conference championship game:  Oklahoma wins 6-4.
Oklahoma scored 18 runs in the three game sweep for an average of 6 runs scored per game. And they scored 6 runs in the last game.
The main difference between the last Baylor game and the others - was that Baylor scored more runs.

Why did that happen?  The Sooners were ahead 5-1 through 5 innings... and the game looked pretty much like all the others.
But then Baylor scored 3 runs in the 6th inning to make it a close game (5-4 after the top of the 6th).
What was different..? Why did Baylor score 3 runs in one inning off the Sooner pitching staff..?
PG decided to start Paige Lowary - and then left her in to pitch the entire game.
This was the ONLY time all year that Lowary was asked to pitch a full 7 innings. She hadn't come close to that many IP in a game all season.
So... I'd say two things were the main contributing factors...

1. Lowary was asked to go longer than she was used to - and so they got to see her for an extended period of time in one game.
2. They had also seen Lowary for three IP in their last game. So that was ten innings of hitting against her over their last two games.

It is quite possible that Lowary tired as she went into the 6th inning (maybe physically, maybe mentally, or maybe both). 
Lowary had two at bats in that 6th inning where she was ahead in the count - and then then gave up a key hit. She was ahead of Walker (a great hitter) 0-2, but then gave her something a bit too good - and she smacked it into the right center gap for a run scoring triple. And their third run of the inning scored when Lowary was ahead of Kettler (a not so good hitter) 1-2, and she hit a ball back up the middle for an RBI single.

If PG had gone to Parker (or Lopez or even Conrad) after Lowary had thrown for the first 4 or 5 innings... the score might have been 6-1. 
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