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People will want to hear what Good's decision is first


She hasn't indicated she is transferring correct?
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no clue
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I will be shocked if it’s not FSU. That is their mode of operation. Need a catcher - BYU. Need an arm behind Boroughs - the Maryland coach got fired and we don’t need a release. How about about Boroughs graduates - there’s an All American in Boca. FSU does their best recruiting off other rosters.....not a knock just an observation.

Almost a guarantee that FSU is in the mix.


Again, FIU has stalled on granting her a release. She has spoken with NO ONE yet. So, no one is “in the mix”.
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She has not indicated she wants to transfer. I don't think she will. (For Megan Good)
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People will want to hear what Good's decision is first




Good point. And Good will be a graduate transfer and therefore eligible to play next year. Saile will have to sit out a year unless she has graduated and I don't think so. 

There are probably a few coaching staffs who are in on Good, at least to the extent that you know if you have a shot at her or not. Those who have a legit shot are going to pursue Good first. Plus Saile herself will want to go somewhere different from where Good ends up. 
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Again, FIU has stalled on granting her a release. She has spoken with NO ONE yet. So, no one is “in the mix”.


I didn’t mean that she had spoken to someone. She will have lots of options as she is a very good
Pitcher. Was simply saying I will be shocked if FSU doesn’t get involved once she has her release. Lately it’s how they have built their team and it makes sense.
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I think most players will wait until after the selection show to ask for a release?
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Good point. And Good will be a graduate transfer and therefore eligible to play next year. Saile will have to sit out a year unless she has graduated and I don't think so. 

There are probably a few coaching staffs who are in on Good, at least to the extent that you know if you have a shot at her or not. Those who have a legit shot are going to pursue Good first. Plus Saile herself will want to go somewhere different from where Good ends up. 


Why would Saile have to sit out? It’s not football its softball. She will eventually get a release because it would be a PR nightmare for FIU if they don’t grant it. Why would she have to sit? Am I missing something?
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Ultimately, there is not a damn thing the coach can do about it. If he were to try and absolutely refuse to grant the release, she can leave anyway and enroll somewhere else. She has to sit out a year anyway before she is eligible to play. So the only thing refusing to release her does it it would prevent her from being on athletic scholarship at the new school during the year she has to sit out. But ... in reality that situation would get the coach and FIU such huge negative publicity that the AD and President would grant the release. If the end, if she wants to transfer she will.



Why does she have to sit a year?  Thought you only had to sit if you transferred to another team in the same conference.
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Why would Saile have to sit out? It’s not football its softball. She will eventually get a release because it would be a PR nightmare for FIU if they don’t grant it. Why would she have to sit? Am I missing something?
San Diego made Danielle O'Toole sit... not unprecedented
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Again, FIU has stalled on granting her a release. She has spoken with NO ONE yet. So, no one is “in the mix”.



In reality there is not crap FIU can do to stop her. The only way they can effectively prevent her from transferring is to intimidate her into thinking they can absolutely refuse to grant a release and cause her to fear some reprisals against them. Saying "they have stalled" as though they have the power to stop her enables them. 

If they are not cooperative, going public will mean they will grant the release and if not, there will be big negative pub for FIU and then they will. 
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San Diego made Danielle O'Toole sit... not unprecedented


The poster in question said she is going to have to sit a year anyway. Which is incorrect and was questioned by a couple of people. She would only have to sit out if Gator stands firm on not releasing her.

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San Diego made Danielle O'Toole sit... not unprecedented


If FIU does not grant the release they will get murdered over it by every school on the recruiting trail.
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In reality there is not crap FIU can do to stop her. The only way they can effectively prevent her from transferring is to intimidate her into thinking they can absolutely refuse to grant a release and cause her to fear some reprisals against them. Saying "they have stalled" as though they have the power to stop her enables them. 

If they are not cooperative, going public will mean they will grant the release and if not, there will be big negative pub for FIU and then they will. 


Tennessee has denied a few kids a release and quite frankly, future players don’t care. Why? Because no one commits to a school thinking they will be transferring out in a couple years.

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Why would Saile have to sit out? It’s not football its softball. She will eventually get a release because it would be a PR nightmare for FIU if they don’t grant it. Why would she have to sit? Am I missing something?

 

To my knowledge, all NCAA student athletes who transfer from one Div I school to another have to sit out a year. The rules aren't different for softball than for football. There are exceptions, i.e. graduate transfers and some situations involving a coaching change and other matters. But if you simply choose to change schools and you have not graduated yet, you must sit out a year before you can compete. You don't lose the year of eligibility (i.e. still have 5 years to compete 4)
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Tennessee has denied a few kids a release and quite frankly, future players don’t care. Why? Because no one commits to a school thinking they will be transferring out in a couple years.


I think it hurts a mid major a lot more than a SEC to not release. The SEC schools will always get top kids but schools like FIU, FAU, FGCU and even to some degree USF and UCF rely on hidden gems from Florida. Think of the All American pitchers that have gone to those Florida schools the last 10 years. FIU is not competing with Tennessee (or the SEC) for players. They compete with those Glorida schools I have mentioned and those schools will use it for years.
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To my knowledge, all NCAA student athletes who transfer from one Div I school to another have to sit out a year. The rules aren't different for softball than for football. There are exceptions, i.e. graduate transfers and some situations involving a coaching change and other matters. But if you simply choose to change schools and you have not graduated yet, you must sit out a year before you can compete. You don't lose the year of eligibility (i.e. still have 5 years to compete 4)


Pretty sure softball is different.
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I think it hurts a mid major a lot more than a SEC to not release. The SEC schools will always get top kids but schools like FIU, FAU, FGCU and even to some degree USF and UCF rely on hidden gems from Florida. Think of the All American pitchers that have gone to those Florida schools the last 10 years. FIU is not competing with Tennessee (or the SEC) for players. They compete with those Glorida schools I have mentioned and those schools will use it for years.


+10000 — FIU does not have the same leeway in this scenario AT ALL.
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To my knowledge, all NCAA student athletes who transfer from one Div I school to another have to sit out a year. The rules aren't different for softball than for football. There are exceptions, i.e. graduate transfers and some situations involving a coaching change and other matters. But if you simply choose to change schools and you have not graduated yet, you must sit out a year before you can compete. You don't lose the year of eligibility (i.e. still have 5 years to compete 4)


Sorry sMurph, you’re incorrect on this one. If she is granted a release, she may play and does not have to sit out. The SEC as a conference requires sitting out a year of you transfer within the SEC. But that is not a blanket rule for softball.
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Tennessee has denied a few kids a release and quite frankly, future players don’t care. Why? Because no one commits to a school thinking they will be transferring out in a couple years.




It's not about whether future kids care. If you go public (especially a high profile player like Saile) and the story gets out that the school is refusing, there will be lots of public reaction in favor of the player and against the school. 

The only way a school can succeed at denying/refusing is if the kid and their parents, etc allow themselves to be intimidated and are timid. It's no different that athletes who've been abused or endured other bad things. If diligently going along with the prescribed procedures at the higher ed institution is not working well, disclose the situation on social media or have a conversation with someone in the media. THAT is what gets people moving and jumping. There is no better example than the Larry Nassar scandal. (I'm not saying this is the same, but anytime school leadership is balking and not doing the right thing, they aren't going to until it is publicized_
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Sorry sMurph, you’re incorrect on this one. If she is granted a release, she may play and does not have to sit out. The SEC as a conference requires sitting out a year of you transfer within the SEC. But that is not a blanket rule for softball.




At one time, it was a blanket rule for all NCAA student athletes on scholarship. But I acknowledge I may not be up to date
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Tennessee has denied a few kids a release and quite frankly, future players don’t care. Why? Because no one commits to a school thinking they will be transferring out in a couple years.


FIU is not offering kids a place to play on TV and in the WCWS. UT is. Kids will take the chance on that. Kids with an offer from a few mid majors will let go of one with a bad rep in a heartbeat.
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Sorry sMurph, you’re incorrect on this one. If she is granted a release, she may play and does not have to sit out. The SEC as a conference requires sittin out a year of you transfer within the SEC. But that is not a blanket rule for softball.




I stand corrected. Just looked it up. There is a list of sports for which transfers from a Div 1 School to another Div I school require you to sit out a year. That is not the case in softball, as you said. But it does require the signed release from your current school. 

Hopefully she will get it without acrimony. But if they dig in their heels, going public about it in the press and social media is the way to go. The public sentiment is overwhelmingly in the athlete's favor in these situations and the AD / Pres will cave.  
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I knew Saile was good but did not realize she struck out 267 hitters. Wow. That and wins over Florida, USC, BC and Pitt should get her an offer anywhere she wants to go.
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FIU is not offering kids a place to play on TV and in the WCWS. UT is. Kids will take the chance on that. Kids with an offer from a few mid majors will let go of one with a bad rep in a heartbeat.


Not the point. No one is making a decision on where they play based on how a coach handles players transferring out. If a player is looking to transfer before they get on campus, if I’m the coach, I will let that player go to another mid major.

No one is removing San Diego St because they may have trouble transferring out.


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It will be interesting to see where she goes next season or 2020 if she sits out next season.
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Not the point. No one is making a decision on where they play based on how a coach handles players transferring out. If a player is looking to transfer before they get on campus, if I’m the coach, I will let that player go to another mid major.

No one is removing San Diego St because they may have trouble transferring out.



I understand what you’re saying. But if you think a bad reputation won’t cost you a few recruits who have other options ...
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LSU will be desperate as all hell. FSU will need a transfer too


I wouldn't say desperate as hell but I definitely would like a proven experienced player. Please send her to BR
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San Diego made Danielle O'Toole sit... not unprecedented


Many don’t sit...I know someone here can come up with a current list of transfers who didn’t sit out a year. (Arizona, Oregon and Washington all have transfers now who didn’t sit out.)
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The point isn't that a bunch DON'T sit out, it is that some HAVE been forced to
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